This week on the Active Self Protection Podcast we sit down with Commander Tim Gramins of the Skokie, IL Police Department as he tells us about the 2008 gun battle with a bank robbery suspect who was determined to kill him and about how he was down to his last 4 rounds before the gunfight ended. Then we sit down with investigative reporter Stephen Gutowski of thereload.com and talk about gun sales in the U.S. seemingly plateauing in the last quarter of 2021. Active Self Protection exists to help good, sane, sober, moral, prudent people in all walks of life to more effectively protect themselves and their loved ones from criminal violence. On the ASP Podcast you will hear the true stories of life or death self defense encounters from the men and women that lived them. If you are interested in the Second Amendment, self defense and defensive firearms use, martial arts or the use of less lethal tools used in the real world to defend life and family, you will find this show riveting.  Join host and career federal agent Mike Willever and the rest of the ASP staff as they talk to real life survivors and hear their stories in depth. You'll hear about these incidents and the self defenders from well before the encounter occurred on through the legal and emotional aftermath. Title music by Jorikbasov.