First up, Jon and Fintan talk about some things, and some other things, while thanking our corporate overlords at Clarion Gaming and BWise Media [0:00 - 7:56], then they're joined by the immensely excellent Layla O'Hara of SkyBet fame.

You go along thinking some things can't change, they are already optimised, and then BAM – Acca Freeze pops up and changes the landscape. Layla was the creative brain behind their recent Acca Freeze initiative, and she tells us how she got to where she is, how developing new ideas within a gambling giant works, and much, much more [7:57 - 51:26]. We also discuss how vets get placed in abattoirs, which is a pretty freaky place for a gambling-based podcast to go.