Social Sport

Social Sport

By Emma ZimmermanSportsRunning
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Social Sport episodes

  • Episode 42: Bernardo Ruiz, renowned film director, on The Infinite Race, an ESPN 30 for 30 film
    In this episode, I speak with renowned filmmaker, Bernardo Ruiz, about his ESPN 30 for 30 film, The Infinite Race. Bernardo’s accolades are many: he is a two-time Emmy® Award-nominated documentary filmmaker and a member of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences. He has directed and produced five feature documentaries and a host of nonfiction programming for a variety of outlets including PBS, HBO, ESPN and Facebook Watch. I recently had the opportunity to pre-screen Bernardo’s film, The Infinite Race, ahead of its December 15th premier, and I know you are really going to enjoy this film. To give you a little background, the Infinite Race is about the Rarámuri, otherwise known as the Tarahumara, an indigenous community in Mexico. You might be familiar with this community from the popular book Born to Run. But what Born to Run doesn’t address is the threat of organized crime that many members of the community face. Bernardo’s film captures events surrounding the 2015 Ultra Marathon Caballo Blanco, a crossroads for Tarahumara and international runners. There are many uneven power dynamics caught up in that ultramarathon and, often, in conversations on the Tarahumara community among international audiences. Bernardo talks about all of this and more, so enjoy our conversation.
    Click here for more information on the premier of The Infinite Race
    Discussed in this episode:
    Texas Monthly article, "The Drug Runners," by Ryan Goldberg
    Born to Run by Christopher McDougall
    Exoticizing/romanticizing of the Tarahumara
    Barefoot running fad
    Micah True aka Caballo Blanco
    2015 Ultra Marathon Caballo Blanco
    Luis Escobar, photographer and ultra-marathoner,
    Andrea Cordoba, filmmaker and producer 
    Irma Chavez, runner and activist 
    Follow Bernardo:
    Website 
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    Website 
    Instagram
    Facebook
    Twitter 
    *Photo courtesy of ESPN 30 for 30 Films
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    33 min
  • Episode 41: Jessica Guo on Ostroy Racing & Development, and creating a more accessible bike culture

    Today I am speaking with Jessica Guo. Jess is a York City cyclist, and the founding member and current team captain of Ostroy Racing and Development. Without a doubt, cycling is an extremely white, male-dominated sport. In New York City, in 2017, only 17% of competitive cyclists identified as women! Over the last few months, jess has spearheaded a team that aims to represent a “refresh button” for femme, transgender, and women ridership. And it has grown fast--now holding a roster of 64 riders. Formerly called Ostroy Women’s Team, Ostroy Racing and Development is not just for people who identify as women. Instead, Jess wants to continue making cycling accessible to people of all genders, races, and financial backgrounds.

    Discussed in this episode:

    • Demographics of cycling 
    • Ostroy 
    • Learn more about Alex Ostroy and the Ostroy brand
    • AIDS/Lifecycle ride
    • Inaccessibility/barriers to entry in cycling
    • Girls Bike NYC
    • MBR Cycling
    • NightCAP Brooklyn
    • Reducing gendered language
    • Coach Tara Parsons
    • CRCA
    • Park Slope Food Coop model
    • On the Clock by Emily Guendelsberger
    • Quote:

      • “I think this year, the BLM movement has raised the profile of needing diversity, equity and inclusion to be prevalent in every single aspect of how you’re living your life. So I brought that perspective with me in terms of building the team—not only diversity in terms of racial and ethnic backgrounds, but also with financial backgrounds—making it accessible to anybody who is interested in cycling. I think it’s a sport that anyone can enjoy.” -Jessica Guo
      • Follow Jess

        Follow Ostroy Racing and Development

        Follow Ostroy

        Follow Social Sport:

        • Instagram
        • Facebook
        • Twitter 
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          47 min
        • Episode 40: Latoya Shauntay Snell and Taylor Dutch on the Runners Alliance and Intersectionality
          Today I am joined by Latoya Shauntay Snell and Taylor Dutch to talk about the Runners Alliance. This program was launched by Runner's World and Women's Health to help women, and all people who experience harassment, reclaim their run. Taylor Dutch is a sports and fitness writer who plays a large role in coordinating the alliance for Runner’s World. Latoya is one of the five Runners Alliance ambassadors. She is known for her body politics activism and her popular blog, Running Fat Chef. 
          Discussed in this episode: 
          Runner’s World survey: 84% of women have faced harassment while running  
          Michelle Hamilton, "Running While Female" 
          Intersectionality, Kimberlé Crenshaw 
          Runners Alliance Ambassadors program 
          Addie Bracy on Social Sport  
          Carolyn Su on Social Sport
          "Im a Plus-Size Runner and I got Heckled at the NYC Marathon," Latoya's article on theroot.com 
          Endometriosis 
          Body positivity vs body politics 
          Fat Acceptance Movement 
          Despite the Dark 
          Taylor’s article, "A Man Filmed Me in the Running Trail’s Bathroom—and I Fought Back" 
          Vanessa T. Marcotte Foundation 
          Quotes: 
          “Every runner has a different experience when they step out the door--depending on who they are, their gender, where they live, their ethnicity--and it’s so important to understand that.” -Taylor Dutch
          “This is the reason why I continue to advocate so hard: I don’t look at it as an option. If I have the courage and I have the power to speak up, then I may not be able to bring everyone in, but there is at least one person who’s listening. And that’s what matters.” -Latoya Shauntay Snell 
          Follow Latoya: 
          Instagram 
          Twitter  
          Facebook 
          Follow Taylor: 
          Instagram 
          Follow Social Sport: 
          Instagram: @socialsportpod 
          Facebook: @socialsportpod 
          Twitter: @emmamzimm
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          1 hr 13 min
        • Episode 39: Ben Chan on racism in trail running, and holding powerful people accountable

          Ben Chan is an ultra runner and activist, perhaps best known in the New York running community for his racing attire—leopard print short-shorts and a cowboy hat. But in recent times, Ben has also become well known for his activism. Today, we focus on Ben’s exchanges with a certain, high-profile race director (Gary Cantrell AKA "Lazarus Lake") who banned Black Lives Matter from his events. It can be difficult to talk negatively about people who have large followings, lots of power, and have created events that are, frankly, important to the running community. But Ben and I both feel that we need to hold everyone accountable for their words and for the communities they create—in sports and beyond. This episode was recorded about a week ago, and since that time, more exchanges have unfolded; "Lazarus Lake" shared his racist speech openly on a prominent podcast. So Ben’s sentiments shared in this episode are, perhaps, even more important.

          • The importance of Ben's running outfit for challenging stereotypes of Asian-Americans
          • Running as a form of expression
          • The Barkley Marathons documentary
          • Outside Magazine article, "Why Did a Virtual Ultra Ban 'Black Lives Matter''
          • Runner's World article on Ben and Great Virtual Race Across Tennessee 
          • Ben's post on anti-Ku Klux Klan residents and pro-Trump residents holding opposing rallies, 11 miles from Big Backyard Ultra
          • The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin 
          • The Autobiography of Malcolm x, as told to Alex Haley
          • Quote:

            • “Running communities are a reflection of American communities, and if we know that American communities have been shaped by racist real estate laws; racist criminal justice systems; racist police officers; racist, segregated schools...how can there not be racism in running?"
            • Follow Ben:

              • Instagram: @malerunner
              • Follow Social Sport:

                • Instagram: @socialsportpod
                • Facebook: @socialsportpod
                • Twitter: @emmamzimm

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                  1 hr 1 min
                • Episode 38: Addie Bracy, professional trail runner and OUTrun cofounder, on safety and inclusion for LGBTQ+ runners

                  Addie Bracy is a professional runner for Nike Trail, with a wide range of running accolades to her name—including qualifying for the Olympic Trials in both the marathon and the 10K and being named USATF Women's Mountain Runner of the Year three times! Addie holds a Masters in Sport and Performance Psychology from the University of Denver and works as both a running coach and a mental performance consultant. Notably, she is the cofounder of OUTrun, an organization dedicated to empowering and connecting LGBTQ+ individuals in the running community. Recently, Addie was also named a Runners Alliance Ambassador, a role that allows her to spread awareness about harassment on the run. In this episode, we talk all about OUTrun, how women’s intersecting identities affect safety, and why feeling safe and included is crucial to running performance.

                  Discussed in this episode:

                  • OUTrun
                  • Rim to Rim to Rim (R2R2R)
                  • Mat Llano
                  •  Western States transgender policy
                  • Therese Haiss on Social Sport 
                  • OUTrun Ambassador program
                  • Runners Alliance
                  • The Weight of Gold documentary
                  • Addie's run coaching and mental performance coaching 
                  • Follow Addie:

                    • Instagram: @addiebracy
                    • Twitter: @AddieBracy
                    • Follow OUTrun:

                      • Instagram: @_out_run
                      • Follow Social Sport:

                        • Instagram: @socialsportpod
                        • Facebook: @socialsportpod
                        • Twitter: @emmamzimm
                        • Quotes: 

                          “It was taking such a mental and emotional toll on me that it was crushing my running career.…I came out publicly and three weeks later won my first national championship.”

                          “It’s not enough to not discriminate; you need to be actively inviting people”

                          “This sport has given me everything and my whole life has revolved around it…I have so much passion for the world of running, but it does have a long way to go. My hopes and dreams for the rest of my career is to make it better than it was when I got here.”

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                          44 min
                        • Episode 37: Sidney Baptista on PIONEERS Run Crew and running as connection and inclusion

                          Sidney Baptista (Sid) is the founder of Pioneers Run Crew, the host of the Fitness in Color Podcast, a father, and an individual passionate about the power of running to create connections, elevate voices, and champion change. Based in Dorchester, Massachusetts, Sid is currently building a performance streetwear brand, PYNRS, and working as a consultant on diversity, equity, and inclusion in the running industry. 

                          Discussed in this episode:

                          • PIONEERS Run Crew
                          • Whiteness in the running community
                          • Code switching 
                          • More than a Run 5k
                          • Fitness in Color Podcast
                          • Sid's conversation with Dr. Ibram x. Kendi 
                          • PYNRS Performance Streetwear 
                          • Systemic racism through division of labor and ownership in America
                          • running crews.com
                          • Caps for Sale by Esphyr Slobodkina
                          • Follow Sid's endeavors:

                            • Follow Sid: @sidbap
                            • Follow PIONEERS Run Crew: @pioneersrc
                            • Follow Fitness in Color: @fitnessincolor
                            • Follow Social Sport:

                              • Instagram: @socialsportpod
                              • Facebook: @socialsportpod
                              • Twitter: @emmamzimm
                              • Quotes:

                                “Don’t make your first Black hire the head of diversity. Black people need to be at every facet of the job—in social media, in writing, in product development, in decision-making, on the board—at every level. Unless you have that, everything that you do is a band aid solution.”

                                “Sport is a great equalizer. Especially running. As much as running is a solo sport it’s a connector… and I think the more we run side by side, the more we meet eye to eye.”


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                                52 min
                              • Episode 36: Yuki Hebner on Wesleyan University Cross Country and the general toxicity in college running

                                Yuki Hebner is currently a PhD candidate at UCLA, studying molecular biology in a neuroscience lab. She is also a 2017 alumna and former Cross Country and Track athlete at Wesleyan University. In March 2020, Yuki wrote an open letter to Wesleyan University, signed by 36 track and cross-country alumni. The letter described how their head coach, John Crooke, fostered a toxic culture within the program. For over a decade, athletes had been called in for so-called “fat talks," where Crooke would tell runners to lose weight, and make them log the food and calories they ate. Within the program, injuries, body shaming, and eating disorders were rampant. Crooke eventually retired in August, amidst alumni and student outrage.

                                Yuki wants listeners to know that this is not a personal sob-story. This is a peek into a widespread and ongoing problem across the sport of distance running.

                                References:

                                • Yuki's open letter and petition to the Wesleyan community, with proposals for change
                                • 24 Testimonials from Women's Cross Country alumni 
                                • Timeline of contact between the team and athletic department
                                • Also discussed in this episode:

                                  • Culture of eating disorders in distance running 
                                  • RED-S (relative energy deficiency in sports)
                                  • NESCAC (New England Small College Athletic Conference)
                                  • Mary Cain's op-doc in the New York Times
                                  • Outside resources on eating disorders in distance running: 

                                    • NEDA (National Eating Disorder Association) helpline
                                    • Lane 9 Project
                                    • Running in Silence
                                    • Podcast conversation between Dr. Melody Moore and Lauren Fleshman on eating disorder culture in running
                                    • Here is an article I wrote in 2019, that gets at my thoughts on eating disorders in running and avenues for change
                                    • Quotes:

                                      • “When I had the conversation with my coach where he brought up weight loss, it wasn’t a conversation that I came away upset from. I don’t remember it as being a traumatic moment. If anything, I felt invigorated. I felt like I was given a task to do and I was excited to do it. I was excited that he had seen potential in me.”
                                      • “To me, the base knowledge of any abusive behavior is knowing that it isn’t consistent. He did not abuse every single person that he met.  But there is no reason that should determine the outcome of a Title 9 case.”
                                      • Follow Yuki:

                                        • Instagram: @yukihebner
                                        • Twitter: @hebner_y
                                        • Follow Social Sport:

                                          • Instagram: @socialsportpod
                                          • Facebook: @socialsportpod
                                          • Twitter: @emmamzimm
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                                            43 min
                                          • Episode 35: Matilda Egere-Cooper on Fly Girl Collective, Empowering Black and Brown Women through Fitness

                                            Matilda (aka Tilly) is an award-winning journalist, creative and avid runner who took up long distance running in 2011. Since then, she’s completed more than 30 race events including 15 half marathons, four marathons, an ultra marathon, Tough Mudder and the Ride London 100 mile bike ride. She’s passionate about encouraging black and brown women to pursue fitness, so in 2018, she qualified as a Leadership in Running Fitness coach to facilitate group sessions around London and beyond. She’s also an ETM instructor in training and will deliver virtual sessions from September 2020.

                                            Fly Girl Collective is a London-based movement and a community committed to 1. Celebrating and promoting diversity and representation in fitness, and 2. Inspiring black and brown women to pursue a fitness lifestyle.

                                            Fly Girl Collective Website

                                            Also discussed in this episode:

                                            •  Run Dem Crew
                                            • Track Mafia
                                            • Wmn Run 100
                                            • Inception of Fly Girl Collective
                                            • High prevalence of mental health disorders for Black women
                                            • Creating a structure of both membership and accessibility
                                            • Run for the Culture
                                            • Getting Black history into school curriculum
                                            • Book: Why I'm no Longer Talking to White People about Race 
                                            • Matilda's deep-dish cookie recipe 
                                            • Quotes:

                                              •  “There are so many components to systemic racism, like dealing with microaggressions and macroaggressions, dealing with stereotyping, dealing with unconscious bias. All of these things can chip away at the humanity of an individual. That is naturally going to have an effect on your mental health.”
                                              • “What’s been going on with Black Lives Matter and the way that it has reverberated around the world, especially in the UK, has empowered so many people to speak up and stand for what they believe in.”
                                              • “Sport presents people at their most vulnerable. And I think when you’re able to show your vulnerability, that’s where bonds are built and that’s how relationship can grow.”
                                              • Follow Matilda: @matildaegerecooper

                                                Follow Fly Girl Collective: @flygirlcollective

                                                Follow Social Sport: 

                                                • Instagram: @socialsportpod
                                                • Facebook: @socialsportpod
                                                • Twitter: @emmamzimm

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                                                  46 min
                                                • Episode 34: Ride to DC, cycling 300 miles to honor the existence and significance of Black lives

                                                  On August 22nd, 2020, over 100 cyclists road from Seneca village in Manhattan, NY. These cyclists were part of the group Ride to DC, and over six days, they would bike 300 miles--from New York to Washington D.C. Now a nonprofit, Ride to DC started as a movement to recognize the existence and significance of Black lives. On August 28th, they landed in DC to take part in the Commitment March on Washington and demand justice for Black lives. In this episode, I chat with two of the leaers of Ride to DC,  Erin Poland (@erin_poland) and Roberto Godinez (@robertoagodinez). 

                                                  • Ride to DC website and mission
                                                  • Washington Post article on Ride to DC 
                                                  • Also discussed in this episode:

                                                    • The bicycle as a symbol of protest
                                                    • The history of bikes as a symbol of protest
                                                    • Using bikes as a barricade against the police: “bikes block batons”
                                                    • The role of bikes in NYC protests
                                                    • White, male-dominated culture of cycling
                                                    • Kévin Reza, the sole Black cyclist in Tour de France
                                                    • Commitment March on DC
                                                    • Underground railroad bike ride: Alabama to DC
                                                    • Photo of Ride to DC on the steps of the Lincoln memorial
                                                    • The Black National Anthem, Lift Every Voice and Sing
                                                    • NYC Census Ride
                                                    • Follow Ride to DC: 

                                                      • Instagram: @ridetodc
                                                      • Facebook
                                                      • Follow Social Sport: 

                                                        • Instagram: @socialsportpod
                                                        • Facebook: @socialsportpod
                                                        • Twitter: @emmamzimm
                                                        • Quotes: 

                                                          •  “I always find my voice through biking” -Erin
                                                          • “The phrase that came out is ‘a ride to recognize the existence and significance of black lives,’ so we had to constantly be grounded in that…people never lost focus.” -Roberto
                                                          • “The bicycle, in America, is a protest within itself” -Roberto
                                                          • “How I look at cycling is that you just gotta keep pedaling. No matter how slow you go, you’re just pedaling and pedaling. And I think that’s just like in life, you just gotta keep moving forward and eventually you’ll get to the top of that hill.” -Erin Poland
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                                                            51 min
                                                          • Episode 33: The Running to Protest Movement and a Reckoning in the NYC Running Community

                                                            On June 14th, 2020, 700 runners met at the East River Ampitheater in Manhattan, New York—masks on their faces and clad in white clothing. They were running in response to the reckoning on White supremacy and racial violence that had spread around the country. This was the first event in the Running to Protest Movement. Four events would follow, where hundreds of runners, would flood the bridges and streets of New York, demanding justice for Black people. I wanted to learn more about the Running to Protest movement, and how it is affecting the New York running community. This episode features two interviews which explore the power of running to demand justice and amplify a movement in "the greatest city in the world." 

                                                            First, I speak with Coffey, the founder of Running to Protest and much more: a Brooklyn-based father, filmmaker, runner, actor, model, and founder of Define New York Run Club. Coffey is, simply, a powerhouse in the New York running community and beyond. He talks openly about the reality of being a Black runner in NYC, and the creation and future of Running to Protest.

                                                            Next, I speak with Chris Chavez, Sports Illustrated journalist and founder of CITIUS MAG, through which he hosts various podcasts including the CITIUS MAG Podcast and Runners of NYC. Chris holds much insight on the New York running community, due to personal involvement and his journalism. 

                                                            Follow Coffey:

                                                            • Instagram: @thatcoffeyboy @runningtoprotest @definenewyorkrunclub
                                                            • Follow Chris:

                                                              • Instagram: @chris_j_chavez
                                                              • Twitter: @ChrisChavez
                                                              • Follow Social Sport:

                                                                • Instagram: @socialsportpod
                                                                • Twitter: @emmamzimm
                                                                • Facebook: @socialsportpod
                                                                • Also discussed in this episode:

                                                                  • Rodney King verdict and riots
                                                                  • Seneca Village in Central Park
                                                                  •  Daniel Cameron lying about Breonna Taylor's murder
                                                                  • Runners of NYC episode with Coffey
                                                                  • Runners of NYC episode at first Running to Protest event
                                                                  • Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the 1968 Olympics
                                                                  • Cathy Freeman in Sydney 2000
                                                                  • Feyisa Lilesa, Ethiopian marathoner, protesting Ethiopian government
                                                                  • Black Off the Track, Sports Illustrated article
                                                                  • Power Malu, leads Running to Protest events alongside Coffey



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                                                                  On Social Sport, Emma Zimmerman features conversations with endurance athletes of all types committed to fostering social change. The athletes she speaks with are climate change activists, mental…