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This week Katherine and Paul are joined by Amelia Womack, Deputy Leader of the Green Party. We talk about how, growing up, Amelia was inspired by David Attenborough to get into climate action, as well as her not-so-pleasant experiences as a young female politician in a male-dominated workplace. We also get Amelia’s take on the - literally - burning environmental and political issues of the day.

Elsewhere Paul and Katherine talk about the quirks of their respective campervans, the protests currently happening in Belarus *and* we get an essential update on what Mums of the Greenbelt Staff Team (MotGST) think of the podcast. 

Links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.

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ABOUT AMELIA WOMACK

As the Green Party has moved from being a fringe party to a major political force, Green issues have moved their way up the mainstream news agenda. From living a month without plastics, to taunting Piers Morgan about vegan sausage rolls and advocating rewilding as a solution to flooding, Amelia's five years as Deputy Leader of the Green Party have put her at the heart of the Green surge.

Facebook: @GreenAmeliaWomack

Insta: @greenameliawomack

Twitter: @Amelia_Womack

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LINKS AND RESOURCES

Lukashenka vs. democracy: Where is Belarus heading? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lukashenko-vs-democracy-where-is-belarus-heading/

Piers and Deputy Green Party Leader Clash in Meat Tax Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrynJiZDkc8 

Green Party https://greenparty.org.uk/

Young Greens https://www.younggreens.org.uk/

The Anti Fracking Nana’s https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/artists/the-nanas/

Talk: ‘There Is No Planet B’ by Mike Berners-Lee https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/talks/there-is-no-planet-b-a-handbook-for-the-make-or-break-years/ 

Book: ‘There Is No Planet B’ by Mike Berners-Lee https://theresnoplanetb.net/ 

Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015 https://www.futuregenerations.wales/about-us/future-generations-act/ 

Doughnut Economics https://www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/

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00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

00:30 - Katherine and Paul catch up

05:00 - Katherine and Paul on the upcoming festival weekend

06:40 - Katherine and Paul on the protests in Belarus

09:50 - Katherine and Paul on Palestine

12:05 - Introducing Amelia Womack and her work

12:25 - Amelia joins the conversation

12:57 - Amelia on her interview with Piers Morgan

14:40 - Amelia on her journey into Politics

17:40 - Amelia on making change

19:30 - Amelia on leadership

21:13 - Amelia on power and politics

23:00 - Talk Snippet from GB19 ‘There Is No Planet B’ by Mike Berners-Lee

31:05 - Amelia on what is stopping us from making change

33:25 - Amelia on “building back better”

35:16 - Amelia on the power of local communities

37:35 - Amelia on Brexit trade deals

39:45 - Amelia on connecting with nature

40:55 - Amelia on representation in politics

44:00 - Amelia on hope

45:33 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Amelia

55:00 - How to get in touch with us

57:00 - Coming up next week

58:40 - Thank you’s

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A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.

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This week on the podcast Katherine and Paul welcome *takes deep breath* openly-Catholic gay rights campaigner, life-long advocate for inclusion and equality, ex-CEO of Stonewall and recently appointed Baroness of Bethnal Green, Ruth Hunt.

With inclusion, love and acceptance in our minds, we discuss the complex relationship between religion and sexuality and ask each other why the church is STILL so obsessed with who we love? Ruth talks about her own journey in connecting her faith with her advocacy.

Plus, Katherine and Paul talk more about our plans for our #GBWildAtHome festival weekend and respond to critics who accuse Greenbelt of being an echo-chamber of lovey-dovey ideals.

Links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.

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ABOUT RUTH HUNT

Ruth Hunt is a co-founder and director of organisational change consultancy, Deeds & Words, which she runs with her partner Caroline Ellis. Prior to this she was CEO of LGBT human rights charity Stonewall, where she worked her way up through the policy and campaigning team over fourteen years. In this time the UK took huge steps towards equality for LGBT people, including equal marriage and equal adoption rights for same-sex couples. During her tenure as CEO, Stonewall also became trans inclusive. In 2019 Ruth became Baroness Hunt of Bethnal Green and continues to fight for societal change and a kinder type of politics from the cross-benches. Ruth is a practising Christian and lives in London with her partner Caroline.

Insta: ruthiehunt

Twitter: @ruth_hunt

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LINKS AND RESOURCES

Stonewall https://www.stonewall.org.uk/

Deeds & Words https://www.deedsandwords.co.uk/ 

OUT at Greenbelt https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/out-at-greenbelt/

https://www.facebook.com/OutatGreenbelt/

https://twitter.com/outatgreenbelt

Caroline Criado Perez https://www.carolinecriadoperez.com/

Stonewall’s glossary of LGBT+ terms https://www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/glossary-terms 

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TAKE ACTION

You can find a list of open UK petitions around LGBT+ issues here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=open&q=lgbt 

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00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

00:30 - Katherine and Paul catch up

01:39 - Katherine and Paul on the upcoming festival weekend

03:20 - Listener questions and comments

05:40 - Introducing Ruth Hunt and her work

06:06 - Ruth joins the conversation

06:20 - Ruth on lockdown

08:00 - Ruth on being a Baroness

10:08 - Ruth on Deeds & Words

12:34 - Ruth on gender and racial bias in tech

13:55 - Ruth on Stonewall

16:40 - Ruth on trans inclusion

17:50 - Ruth on making effective change

20:00 - Ruth on Greenbelt Festival and faith

21:38 - Talk Snippet from #GB15 ‘Thou Shalt Not Be Overcome: LGBT People, Our Allies, and the Christian Church’

30:39 - Ruth on The Book of Queer Prophets

33:57 - Ruth on why the church still cares about who we love

36:30 - Ruth on human compassion

37:48 - Ruth on hope for the future and Black Lives Matter

42:18 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Ruth

51:00 - LGBT+ communities and Greenbelt Festival

54:25 - OUT at Greenbelt

1:01:51 - Thank you’s

1:02:39 - Hidden Track - Ruth’s guide to LGBT+ terminology 

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A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.

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This week Katherine and Paul welcome the ever-inspiring Muslim thinker, writer and Yale Divinity School lecturer, Abdul-Rehman Malik. We brew up a conversation about food, drink and spirituality, and how slowing down to enjoy the ritual of making coffee can have a positive impact on your well-being.

Abdul-Rehman, our unofficial spiritual guide and guru, tells us about the challenges and benefits of observing Ramadan during lockdown this year, as well as how this unusual time has been a great catalyst for change. Meanwhile, Katherine and Paul discuss why Greenbelt Festival made the decision to work more closely with Muslim communities in the UK after 9/11. And, perhaps most importantly of all, we find out if Katherine is a morning or evening person (spoiler alert: her answer may surprise you).

Take a moment to make a nice hot brew to enjoy with this episode! Links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.

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ABOUT ABDUL-REHMAN

Abdul-Rehman Malik is an award winning journalist, educator and cultural organiser. Since June 2019 he has been Lecturer and Associate Research Scholar at the Yale Divinity School. He also serves as the Programme Coordinator at Yale University’s Council on Middle East Studies, and is responsible for developing curricula and partnerships with public schools to promote better cultural, language and religious literacy about the Middle East.

https://about.me/abdulrehmanmalik

Twitter: @ArMalik

Instagram: @armalik

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LINKS AND RESOURCES

‘The Mohammedan Bean: The Secret History of Islam and Coffee’ by Abdul-Rehman Malik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkti89ndu4M&feature=youtu.be

Canada’s Drag Race https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p08h1dp1/canadas-drag-race

The Book of Queer Prophets https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Ruth-Hunt/The-Book-of-Queer-Prophets--24-Writers-on-Sexuality-and-Religion/24136263

Harvard study on health and happiness https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/ 

More from Abdul-Rehman at Greenbelt Festival

https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/talks-archive/#~abdul

We didn’t mention this one in the episode, but if you want to find out more about gender fluidity in the bible, we recommend you check out Peterson Toscano:

https://petersontoscano.com

https://petersontoscano.com/portfolio/transfigurations/

Twitter: @p2son

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00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

00:30 - Katherine and Paul catch up

07:00 - Katherine and Paul talk about Islam and Greenbelt Festival

11:40 - Introducing Abdul-Rehman and his work

12:18 - Abdul-Rehman joins the conversation

12:30 - Abdul-Rehman on Ramadan during lockdown

16:20 - Talk Snippet from #GB16 ‘The Mohammedan Bean: The Secret History of Islam and Coffee’

15:00 - Abdul-Rehman on spirituality and food

28:24 - Abdul-Rehman on community

31:35 - Abdul-Rehman on Friday prayers

35:00 - Abdul-Rehman on changes to traditional rules

25:40 - Abdul-Rehman on racial justice

40:50 - Abdul-Rehman on how we can be better

42:50 - Abdul-Rehman on Greenbelt

43:30 - Abdul-Rehman on death

49:00 - Abdul-Rehman on lockdown beards

49:40 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Abdul-Rehman

54:00 - How to get in touch with us

57:50 - Coming up in next week’s episode

58:30 - Thank you’s

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A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.

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This week we’re talking about activism and kindness with the inspiring activist and creator of the Craftivist Collective, Sarah Corbett. We hear about Sarah’s remarkable journey growing up as the daughter of activists who campaigned for social change around the world, and her subsequent journey into activism as a career.

Sarah’s work challenges traditional ideas of activism as loud and confrontational, as well as what constitutes a campaign ‘win’. Her gentler, more empathetic approach has brought some amazing results. Sarah talks us through some of her success stories as well as about how being kinder to yourself and others is an effective way to change the world.

We also hear from Katherine and Paul about why they're still not over not being in the fields with thousands of Greenbelters this year, who their dream bookings would be, and what we have planned for our virtual Greenbelt this summer. 

As always, you can find links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.

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ABOUT SARAH

Sarah Corbett grew up in an activist family and has worked as a professional campaigner for over ten years, most recently with Oxfam. She started doing craftivism (craft + activism) in 2008 as a reaction to traditionally more aggressive or ‘quicker’ forms of activism. Due to demand Sarah set up the global Craftivist Collective in 2009, which now has thousands of supporters across the world taking part in her craftivism projects.

https://craftivist-collective.com/

Twitter: @Craftivists

Facebook: @CraftivistCollective

Instagram: @craftivists

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LINKS AND RESOURCES

Craftivist Collective https://craftivist-collective.com/

Craftivist Collective campaigning for living wage (Rosa Parks Hankie) https://craftivist-collective.com/What-we-achieved-at-Marks-and-Spencer-AGM 

Positive News Magazine https://www.positive.news/ 

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MORE FROM SARAH AT GREENBELT

https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/artists/sarah-corbett/

Gentle Protest: how gentleness can be a powerful tool in activism (2017) https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/talks/gentle-protest-how-gentleness-can-be-a-powerful-tool-in-activism/ 

A spoonful of craft helps the activism go down (2017) https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/talks/a-spoonful-of-craft-helps-the-activism-go-down/ 

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00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

00:30 - Katherine and Paul catch up

04:30 - Katherine and Paul talk about Greenbelt Festival 2020

10:40 - Messages from listeners

14:17 - Introducing Sarah Corbett and her work

14:50 - Sarah joins the conversation

15:40 - Sarah on Greenbelt Festival

16:43 - Sarah on how she got into activism

19:20 - Sarah on being an introverted activist

20:58 - Sarah on faith and Jesus

22:46 - Sarah on activism as a career and avoiding burnout

24:35 - Sarah on craftivism

27:10 - Talk Snippet from #GB17 'Gentle Protest: how gentleness can be a powerful tool in activism'

38:50 - Sarah on seeing the best in people

40:08 - Sarah on other forms of activism 

41:20 - Sarah on anger

43:14 - Sarah on the personal benefits of gentle activism

48:00 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Sarah

57:18 - Coming up in next week’s episode

57:30 - How to get in touch with us

59:30 - Thank you’s

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A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.

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This week Katherine and Paul welcome the incredible social geographer Danny Dorling. Join us as we don our breathing apparatus and dive deep, deep down into all sorts of topics including the British Empire, inequality, brexit and pandemics.

Danny’s huge brain is our guide in contemplating a more honest understanding of Britain's history and position in the world. He challenges us to confront why we, as a country, often think we’re somehow special and different to other countries. 

When Danny spoke at Greenbelt last year, he spoke about Brexit. We managed to catch up with him in June to talk about all the latest B-word antics, as well as the odds on a second lockdown. Meanwhile Katherine and Paul tackle their own demons as they react to some less-than-positive feedback in which Greenbelt was compared, obviously, to the antichrist.

As always, you can find links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.

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ABOUT DANNY

Danny Dorling is a professor at the University of Oxford and has lived all his life in England. To try to counter his myopic worldview, in 2006, Danny started working with a group of researchers on a project to remap the world (www.worldmapper.org). He has published with many colleagues more than a dozen books on issues related to social inequalities in Britain and several hundred journal papers.

http://www.dannydorling.org/

Twitter: @dannydorling

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dorlingdanny

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LINKS AND RESOURCES

‘What’s So Funny About Brexit?’ by Danny Dorling https://bit.ly/gbtv-brexit 

Pussy Riot in residence https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/artists/pussy-riot-in-residence/  

‘SLOWDOWN’ by Danny Dorling http://www.dannydorling.org/books/SLOWDOWN/

Rhodes Must Fall, the removal of a Cecil Rhodes statue in Oxford https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_Must_Fall

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TAKE ACTION

Add education on diversity and racism to all school curriculums: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323808

Making the UK education curriculum more inclusive of BAME history: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323961

Teach Britain's colonial past as part of the UK's compulsory curriculum: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/324092

There are several ongoing petitions about race and equality more widely, which you can view here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=open&topic=race-and-equality

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MORE FROM DANNY AT GREENBELT

‘What’s So Funny About Brexit?’

Audio: https://bit.ly/gbtalk-brexit

Video (with subtitles): https://bit.ly/gbtv-brexit 

‘Peak Inequality and Food Bank Use’ 

https://bit.ly/gbtalk-foodbank 

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00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

00:30 - Katherine and Paul catch up

01:40 - Reactions to Somewhere To Believe In

03:08 - Messages from listeners

04:30 - Katherine and Paul’s favourite Greenbelt Festival moments

07:25 - Introducing Danny Dorling and his work

08:00 - Danny joins the conversation

08:19 - Danny on lockdown

09:20 - Danny on Greenbelt and Brexit

11:46 - Danny on the British Empire and Brexit

12:45 - Talk Snippet from #GB19 ‘What’s So Funny About Brexit?’

23:21 - Danny on pandemics and kindness

26:50 - Danny on a hopeful future

29:00 - Danny on the second peak of covid-19

32:38 - Danny on “Make Britain Great Again”

34:50 - Danny on the fall of the British Empire

36:20 - Danny on colonial monuments and statues

37:13 - Danny on his new book ‘Slow Down’

40:00 - Danny on spending and what really matters

42:14 - Danny on inequality

44:46 - Danny’s recommendations

48:00 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Danny

53:18 - Coming up in next week’s episode

53:58 - How to get in touch with us

55:24 - Thank you’s

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A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.

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This week, Katherine and Paul are joined by the CEO of Christian Aid, and all-round wonder woman, Amanda Khozi Mukwashi.

In an honest, powerful conversation we talk about how Amanda feels (and copes) being confronted daily by the realities of grinding inequality. We learn about the challenges of running a global charity during a pandemic in some of the poorest parts of the world: lots of us have had it tough during lockdown, but at least we’ve had power and running water. 

Amanda tells us about Christian Aid’s continued work to safeguard the dignity of people around the world, as well as reflecting on the government’s recent decision to scrap the Department for International Development.

We also talk about the power of music and faith, and particularly Amanda’s deep love of gospel. We’d also really urge you not to miss the powerful insight from Amanda into her lived experience of what it’s like to deal with everyday racism as a black woman living in the UK.

Find links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.

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ABOUT AMANDA

Born in the UK and of Zambian heritage, Amanda is a committed Christian and member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Amanda has more than 20 years’ experience, extensive knowledge and expertise in working to alleviate poverty, injustice and inequality, with a special focus on women’s leadership, civic engagement and volunteering.

https://www.christianaid.org.uk/contact-us/people/amanda-mukwashi-0

Twitter: @AMukwashi

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LINKS AND RESOURCES

Christian Aid https://www.christianaid.org.uk/ 

Cyclone Idai Appeal https://www.christianaid.org.uk/appeals/emergencies/cyclone-idai-appeal

Black Lives Matter https://blacklivesmatter.com/ 

‘Uprooted. Overlooked. Ignored’ by Amanda Khozi Mukwashi https://bit.ly/2OpGrkb 

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00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

00:38 - Katherine and Paul catch up

04:30 - Reaction to the government’s arts and culture support funding announcement

05:10 - Messages from listeners

10:00 - Introducing Amanda Khozi Mukwashi and her work

10:45 - Amanda joins the conversation

11:09 - Amanda on working from home

14:00 - Amanda on the origin of Christian Aid and its name

16:38 - Amanda on Greenbelt Festival and Greenbelters

19:25 - Talk Snippet from #GB18 ‘Uprooted. Overlooked. Ignored.’

26:36 - Amanda on staying inspired and motivated

29:30 - Amanda on how not to get overwhelmed

31:39 - Amanda on the decision to merge The Department for International Development and the Forgein Office

35:20 - Amanda on music, faith and resilience

37:45 - Amanda on racial justice and Black Lives Matter

40:45 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Amanda

49:08 - Katherine and Paul wrap up the episode

50:40 - Thank you’s

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A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.

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Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In, a brand new podcast from Greenbelt Festival. In our first episode, hosts Katherine and Paul dig into the topic of empathy with philosopher and friend of Greenbelt Festival Roman Krznaric.

We discuss why trying to understand how others see the world could have revolutionary power, and why now, more than ever, empathy is so important. Katherine and Paul also give you some behind the scenes insight into working at Greenbelt and the difficult but necessary decision to cancel this year’s festival.

We recorded this conversation with Roman and finalised this episode before the Government announced its £1.5bn rescue fund for the arts (early in July). So when, in this first episode, we air our worries about the arts being overlooked, we didn’t know this help was soon to come. We welcome it, of course. But we also know that the devil will be in the detail in terms of how this support actually translates across the sector.

Find links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.

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ABOUT ROMAN

Roman Krznaric is a public philosopher who writes about the power of ideas to change society. His new book, The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short Term World, was published in July 2020, and has been described by U2’s The Edge as ‘the book our children’s children will thank us for reading’. https://www.romankrznaric.com/

Twitter: @romankrznaric

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LINKS AND RESOURCES

‘Empathy and the Revolution of Human Relationships’ Greenbelt talk by Roman Krznaric https://bit.ly/gbtalk-empathy 

‘The Good Ancestor : How to Think Long Term in a Short-Term World’ by Roman Krznaric https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Roman-Krznaric/The-Good-Ancestor--How-to-Think-Long-Term-in-a-Short-Term-World/24823601

The Empathy Museum https://www.empathymuseum.com/

Today for Tomorrow https://todayfortomorrow.org.uk/

Doughnut Economics https://www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/

‘Me and White Supremacy’ by Layla Saad https://www.meandwhitesupremacybook.com/

Hive https://www.hive.co.uk/

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00:00 - Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In

01:55 - Katherine and Paul catch up

03:00 - Katherine and Paul reflect on cancelling Greenbelt Festival this year

08:50 - Introducing Roman Krznaric and his work

10:00 - Roman joins the conversation

10:30 - Roman on lockdown and homeschooling

12:30 - Roman on Greenbelt Festival and Greenbelters

13:35 - Roman on grassroots philosophy and empathy

19:00 - Talk Snippet from ‘Empathy and the Revolution of Human Relationships’

27:15 - Roman on empathy in the context of coronavirus

28:50 - Roman on empathy through time and space

32:20 - Roman on the empathy museum

33:00 - Roman on how we can be good ancestors

35:38 - Roman on what difference we can make

40:58 - Roman on empathy as a social movement

42:22 - Roman on empathy and racial justice

44:15 - Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Roman

52:12 - Katherine and Paul wrap up the episode

54:30 - Thank you’s

56:00 - Arts and Culture government funding update and reaction

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A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.

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This July, we’re launching ‘Somewhere To Believe In’, a brand new podcast from the lovely people who (usually) bring you Greenbelt Festival (when there’s not a global pandemic on). Because you can’t come to us this summer, we thought... maybe we could come to you?

Each week we’ll meet brilliant guests and chat to them about their life and work, using extracts from our talks archive to spark ideas and conversation. We want to bring you timely, provocative and funny dollops of hopefulness, to keep us all going in these strange times.

We’ll also be digging into our love of fields, festivals and communal gatherings – remember those? – and sharing some of the behind-the-scenes Greenbelt stuff. Importantly, too, we want to hear from YOU, whether you’ve danced in a field with us or not.

Our plan is to release this first series of eight episodes this summer – with a new episode coming out each Friday in July and August, leading up to our festival weekend itself. We’re calling it ‘Somewhere to Believe in’, because maybe more than ever, we all need that right now. We really hope you like it.

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