The audio files from last week’s SWEpisode vanished into the abyss (not Matt’s fault…cough cough), so the B-Team (Caroline and Josh) is here to save the day. We talk first jobs—Scott’s lasted about five minutes, and apparently Kaitlin was once a barista? Josh takes us back to his roots growing up on a farm in West-West Jersey where his parents owned a Christian bookstore.

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Arlene Pellicane is an author, speaker, and host of The Happy Home Podcast. She’s here to talk all things marriage, connection, and making love last.

Arlene shares wisdom from her new book, Making Marriage Easier: How to Love (and Like) Your Spouse for Life, and walks us through the four key decisions that have helped her build a strong, joyful relationship. We talk about why kids are important…but not all-important. How to be a truly good listener (and avoid the three annoying listener types), and how social media might be doing more harm than help in your marriage.

She opens up about navigating the hard seasons and what it looks like to stick together when life gets messy. Whether you're newly married or decades in, this one is packed with insight and encouragement.

Making Marriage Easier

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Happy Home University

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Kaitlin Kool-Aid Man’s straight through a closet door minutes after our last recording. Costco: the happiest place on earth...until you check your bank account. Scott somehow accidentally sleeps under the fitted sheet. We debate the best crappy pizza. Kaitlin and Scott buy donuts for their soccer team, only for the other team to shamelessly steal them. Rude.

Emily is too busy to put her credit cards in the wallet slots. Things get heated over Matt’s complete and utter lack of sense of urgency. Kaitlin “loses” her keys, but Scott heroically saves the day. And, the mom’s group at church pulls off an elaborate sinful prank by tricking (lying and deceiving) all the husbands into wearing the same shirt. Scott is hilariously oblivious. Emily? Can’t keep a secret and caves immediately.

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Hallie Dye is a wife, mom, host of The Saltworks Podcast, and author of You’re Still a Good Mom: Motherhood Surrendered to the ONE Who Never Fails (Even When You Feel You Have).

She's here to talk about some heavy, but extremely relatable mom stuff: like mom guilt, the lies we believe about ourselves, and what it feels like when you’re just not the “fun mom.”

Hallie shares powerful insight on those mundane, soul-crushing days that feel anything but meaningful, and reminds us that our limits aren’t flaws… they’re intentional.

We talk about what it means to abide and keep showing up even when it feels like we’re failing.

This one’s for the moms, dads, and really anyone who is feeling tired, unsure, and wondering if you're doing any of it right.

You’re Still a Good Mom 

The Saltworks Podcast

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Kaitlin makes a bold financial call…peanut butter is officially cut from the budget. We get nostalgic about old-school church hymns and ruin a big SWE secret. Kaitlin opens up about her phobia of jelly. CHICK-FIL-A SAUCE. Kaitlin discovers Scott’s hoarder closet, but Scott comes prepared with a defense. Emily needs a step stool to get into bed. Kaitlin tries (and fails) to understand tax write-offs. We rank our favorite haircuts and play a round of “What movie character would you be?” Somehow Kaitlin lands on…well, you’ll see.

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Rachel Taylor is a postpartum nurse, doula, author, and founder of Mama Did It™. Her new book, After Baby Comes: Physical, Spiritual, and Emotional Recovery for Postpartum Moms, tackles everything no one warned you about: how to set boundaries when everyone suddenly wants to “stop by,” what you really need to know before leaving the hospital, why “mommy brain” is legit, and how to tell if it’s baby blues or something more.

We even wade into the murky waters of postpartum sex...because it’s not just about physical healing, it’s about emotional readiness too.

Whether you're in the thick of it, on the other side, or just want to be a better support to the moms in your life, this one is full of truth, insight, and “thank you for saying that” moments.

Rachel’s Book → After Baby Comes

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Jayce Elliott takes over the pod this week. Emily is crowned the breastfeeding Queen. Matt’s shopping algorithm is on point and maybe knows him a little too well.

Kaitlin and Matt debrief their passport renewal journies (spoiler: it’s a mess). Are Slurpees and slushies the same thing? And Emily educates us about Happy Tail Syndrome.

Pure chaos, minor enlightenment...just the way we like it.

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Nicole Zasowski is an author and licensed marriage and family therapist (and returning favorite to the pod!) and she's here to talk about her brand-new Bible study, Daring Joy: What Six Women in the Bible Teach Us About the Power of Celebration When it Feels Risky, Complicated, and Even Impossible.

We dig into the question: how do we hold on to real joy when life feels anything but light? Nicole shares why joy can feel like such a vulnerable experience, how her work in Restoration Therapy shapes her perspective, and why it’s often easier to sit with someone in their suffering than in their celebration.

It’s honest, hopeful, and exactly the conversation we all need this week.

June 2022 Interview with Nicole 

Daring Joy

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Baby Norah has finally arrived! Matt and Emily recount all the wild, emotional, and chaotic details of Baby Norah’s grand entrance into the world. Plus, Norah makes her podcast debut by contributing some of her own sound effects to the story. Welcome to the SWE chaos, baby girl.

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Author and speaker Amber Lia joins us to talk about her brand-new devotional, Untriggered: 60 Days of Transformation for Moms Who Struggle With Anger. Amber gets real about what it looks like to parent with grace, even when your kids are driving you crazy.

We dive into the sometimes-controversial term "gentle parenting"—why it’s often misunderstood, and why it doesn’t mean being a doormat. Amber also shares practical tools for staying calm when you’re feeling triggered, how to ditch the comparison trap, and why our kids don’t need perfect parents...because there's no such thing.

This one is full of encouragement, wisdom, and the kind of honesty we all need more of in the trenches of parenthood.

Untriggered 

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