Gill Kernick lived on the 21st floor of Grenfell Tower up until 2014. Many of those who were her neighbours at the time were lost in the horrific fire which broke out on June 14th 2017.

Gill subsequently has written a book about what happened and why we don't seem to be able to move forward and truly prevent catastrophic events from occurring and reoccurring.

In this special episode, Daisy talks with Gill through her personal experiences, her book and her hopes for future systemic change.

Thanks for listening.