Spinal Chat with The PCA

Spinal Chat with The PCA

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Spinal Chat with The PCA episodes

  • PCA Deep Dive: Beyond the Pain Score: What Really Prevents Chronic Back Pain

    PCA Deep Dive: Beyond the Pain Score: What Really Prevents Chronic Back Pain

    In this episode of the Deep Dive, the focus is on a newly published randomized clinical trial, the PACBACK trial, from The Journal of the American Medical Association. This study examines spinal manipulation and clinician-supported biopsychosocial self-management versus standard medical care in treating acute and subacute low back pain in patients at high risk of chronic disability. The trial's findings emphasize the importance of long-term function over short-term symptom relief, showcasing how conservative, nonpharmacologic approaches, particularly self-management strategies, lead to significant reductions in disability. The episode also delves into the methodologies and tools used in the study, such as the Start Back screening tool, the Wellbeing Wheel, and the Behavior Change Wheel, offering a comprehensive look at how these approaches can transform patient care in chiropractic and physical therapy.

    00:00 Introduction to the Deep Dive

    00:06 Overview of the PACBACK Trial

    00:35 Significance of Low Back Pain

    00:45 Study Design and Methodology

    02:18 Detailed Breakdown of Study Groups

    03:16 Results: Disability and Pain Outcomes

    05:40 Mechanisms Behind Supported Self-Management

    06:06 Practical Implementation and Skills Taught

    08:25 Responder Analysis and Key Statistics

    08:58 Comparing Spinal Manipulation Therapy

    11:41 Policy Implications and Systemic Challenges

    12:53 Study Limitations and Final Thoughts

    14:15 Conclusion and Key Takeaways

    Title: Spinal Manipulation and Clinician-Supported Biopsychosocial Self-Management for Acute Back Pain: The PACBACK Randomized Clinical Trial

    Published: JAMA, December 29, 2025

    Authors: Gert Bronfort, PhD, DC Eric N. Meier, MS Brent Leininger, PhD, DC, MS Michael Schneider, PhD, DC Roni Evans, PhD, DC, MS Carol Greco, PhD Linda Hanson, DC, MS Christine McFarland, BS, BA Roger Chou, MD John Connett, PhD Anthony Delitto, PhD, PT Steven Z. George, PhD, PT Ronald M. Glick, MD Francis Keefe, PhD John Licciardone, DO, MS, MBA Craig Schulz, DC, MS Dennis Turk, PhD Patrick J. Heagerty, PhD, MS

    Journal Reference: JAMA. 2025; Published online December 29, 2025.

    DOI: 10.1001/jama.2025.21990

    This episode references findings from the PACBACK Randomized Clinical Trial published in JAMA in December 2025 by Bronfort and colleagues.

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    PCA Email: [email protected]

    Disclosure

    The Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association did not generate this data. PCA Deep Dive reviews and discusses independent, peer-reviewed research to help translate long-term outcomes and clinical implications for patients, clinicians, policymakers, and healthcare decision makers.

    17 min
  • Judge, Jury, and Insurer? The Geico No-Fault Wake-Up Call

    Judge, Jury, and Insurer? The Geico No-Fault Wake-Up Call

    This episode of PCA Deep Dive, a service of the Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association, explores the New York Court of Appeals decision in Geico v. Mayzenberg. This landmark case redefines the boundaries of authority between insurers and state regulators. It highlights the court's ruling that insurers cannot unilaterally deny claims based on suspected misconduct. Instead, such assessments must be made by state regulatory bodies like the New York State Board of Regents. The episode delves into the case specifics, legal strategies, and the broader implications for healthcare providers, insurance professionals, and the no-fault system. Despite potential new bottlenecks at the regulatory level, the ruling aims to protect due process and maintain the efficiency of accident victim compensation.

    00:00 Introduction to PCA Deep Dive

    00:13 Case Overview: Guyco v. Mayzenberg

    01:25 The Alleged Scheme and Legal Strategy

    04:02 Court's Ruling and Its Implications

    04:32 The Role of State Regulators

    10:10 Balancing Efficiency and Justice

    11:44 Conclusion and Key Takeaways

    13:12 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    PCA Email: [email protected]

    Disclosure

    The Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association did not generate this data. PCA Deep Dive reviews and discusses independent, peer-reviewed research to help translate long-term outcomes and clinical implications for patients, clinicians, policymakers, and healthcare decision makers.

    14 min
  • PCA Strategic Business Partner Spotlight: Praxi AI

    PCA Strategic Business Partner Spotlight: Praxi AI

    In this episode of the PCA Spinal Chat Podcast, Executive Director Mike Barba hosts Andre Jones from Praxi AI to explore how their AI technology can transform chiropractic practices. They discuss in detail how Praxi AI can improve office efficiency, reduce missed calls, boost patient satisfaction, and free up staff time for more value-added activities. Andre explains Praxi AI’s seamless integration, customizable features, and measurable ROI. He also addresses common questions about HIPAA compliance and brand integration, emphasizing the importance of safeguarding patient information while maintaining a practice’s unique voice. The episode includes a live demo of Praxi AI’s advanced capabilities, including appointment scheduling, language adaptability, and 24/7 support, highlighting its potential to revolutionize practice management in the chiropractic field.

    00:00 Introduction to PCA Spinal Chat Podcast

    00:34 Meet Praxi AI and Andre Jones

    01:41 Understanding Praxi AI's Unique Approach

    04:05 Praxi AI's Integration and Customization

    05:10 Live Demo of Praxi AI

    05:54 Challenges in Chiropractic Practices

    07:25 The Business Case for AI in Healthcare

    10:10 Praxi AI's Key Features and Benefits

    13:50 Measurable ROI and Analytics

    15:38 HIPAA Compliance and Brand Integration

    21:39 Language Support and Subscription Details

    24:08 Live Call Demo and Final Thoughts

    29:59 Conclusion and Closing Remarks

    Praxi AI: http://www.praxiai.com/

    Discount Code: PCA

    Andre Jones Email: [email protected]

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    PCA Email: [email protected]

    31 min
  • PCA Audio Newsletter: October’s Key Updates and Announcements

    PCA Audio Newsletter: October’s Key Updates and Announcements

    In the October 2025 edition of the PCA Spinal Chat Audio Newsletter, the Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association highlights legislative advances, member achievements, new educational offerings, and updates shaping chiropractic's future in Pennsylvania. This episode features messages from Executive Director Mike Barba, PCA President Dr. Andrew Heck, Vice President Dr. Kris Arnold, and Treasurer Dr. Theresa Russo. Key topics include the recent success at the Northeast Chiro Summit, the launch of the state's first chiropractic apprenticeship pathway, progress in legislative advocacy, and enhancements to member benefits. Additionally, the episode promotes the 2026 Northeast Chiro Summit, announces new continuing education opportunities, and highlights partnerships with various business members. Listeners are encouraged to support legislative initiatives like H.R. 539 to enhance patient access to chiropractic care.

    00:00 Welcome to the PCA Spinal Chat Audio Newsletter

    00:44 Annual Address and Year in Review

    03:28 Maximizing Your PCA Membership

    08:26 Financial Transparency and Sustainability

    11:42 President's Annual Address

    17:49 Federal Advocacy and Legislative Updates

    20:01 Northeast Chiro Summit 2026

    21:17 Member Spotlights and Business Partners

    24:56 Insurance Hot Topics and CE Opportunities

    27:09 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

    Link to October Newsletter: https://www.flipsnack.com/8A598DCC5A8/october-2025-newsletter/full-view.html

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    PCA Email: [email protected]

    29 min
  • PCA Deep Dive: The 41.2° Breakpoint: What X-rays Reveal About Acute Low Back Pain

    The 41.2° Breakpoint: What X-rays Reveal About Acute Low Back Pain

    Study Featured in This Episode

    Sensitivity and Specificity of Elliptical Modeling and Sagittal Lumbar Alignment Variables in Normal vs. Acute Low Back Pain Patients: Does Pelvic Morphology Explain Group Lordotic Differences? Published in Healthcare (MDPI Multidisciplinary), 2025.

    Full Article Link (Open Access): https://doi.org/10.3390/healthcare13233163

    MDPI / Multidisciplinary Journal Homepage: https://www.mdpi.com/journal/healthcare

    Author Credits (as required by MDPI)

    • Paul A. Oakley, Independent Researcher, Canada
    • Ibrahim M. Moustafa, College of Health Sciences, University of Sharjah, UAE
    • Joseph W. Betz, Independent Researcher, Idaho, USA
    • Jason O. Jaeger, Southern California University of Health Sciences
    • Deed E. Harrison, Chiropractic Biophysics NonProfit, Inc. 00:00 Introduction to PCA Deep Dive00:26 Challenging Conventional Wisdom on X-rays01:52 Study Overview: Participants and Measurements05:17 Key Findings: Alignment vs. Structure08:30 Implications for Clinical Practice11:55 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsEpisode Summary

    In this PCA Deep Dive, we examine a newly published MDPI Multidisciplinary study that challenges long-standing assumptions in acute low back pain management. Using standing radiographs from 100 participants, 50 healthy controls and 50 patients with first-episode acute mechanical LBP, the researchers investigated whether simple spinal alignment variables could objectively distinguish the two groups.

    Their key finding: sacral base angle (SBA) and global lumbar lordosis (Cobb T12–S1) were significantly greater in the acute pain group, despite no differences in pelvic morphology. The SBA cut-off value of 41.2° demonstrated meaningful discriminative value (AUC 0.665; sensitivity 70%; specificity 62%).

    The implication is clear: alignment, not structure, separates acute pain patients from healthy individuals, and routine imaging may offer clinically meaningful biomechanical clues during a first episode of low back pain. This study adds to the growing evidence challenging “no imaging” guidelines that rely on outdated radiological risk models.

    We break down the methodology, biomechanical logic, statistical outcomes, and the provocative case the authors make regarding the limitations of the ALARA radiation principle.

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    PCA Email: [email protected]

    Disclosure

    The Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association did not generate this data. PCA Deep Dive reviews and discusses independent, peer-reviewed research to help translate long-term outcomes and clinical implications for patients, clinicians, policymakers, and healthcare decision makers.

    15 min
  • PCA Deep Dive: Faster Recovery, Lower Costs: Chiropractic’s Role in Workforce Health

    Faster Recovery, Lower Costs: Chiropractic’s Role in Workforce Health

    Unlocking the Potential of Chiropractic Care in Workers’ Compensation

    In this episode of the PCA Deep Dive Series by the Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association, we explore the significant impact of chiropractic care on low back pain within the workers' compensation (WC) system. With low back pain being the leading cause of disability worldwide, contributing to over $134 billion in U.S. healthcare costs annually, this episode delves into comprehensive data from the Workers’ Compensation Research Institute and a long-term study on a self-insured workforce. Key findings reveal that exclusive chiropractic care can substantially reduce overall medical costs, shorten disability duration, and decrease the necessity for high-risk services like MRIs and opioids. The episode also examines the influence of state policies on the prevalence of chiropractic care in WC systems and discusses strategies for policymakers and employers to identify which workers could benefit most from early chiropractic intervention.

    00:00 Introduction to the PCA Deep Dive Series

    00:15 Understanding the Impact of Low Back Pain

    00:43 Data Sources and Real-World Outcomes

    01:23 The Workers' Compensation System and Chiropractic Care

    03:16 Recommended First Steps for Low Back Pain

    04:13 Chiropractors vs. Physical Therapists

    05:49 State Policies and Chiropractic Care Usage

    07:38 Treatment Patterns and Patient Complexity

    10:12 Exclusive Chiropractic Care: Cost and Recovery Benefits

    12:45 Concluding Insights and Future Challenges

    Workers’ Compensation Research Institute (WCRI)

    Wang D, Mueller KL, Murphy DR, Lea RD. Chiropractic Care for Workers with Low Back Pain. WCRI, 2022. PDF: https://www.wcrinet.org/reports/chiropractic-care-for-workers-with-low-back-pain

    Major Self-Insured Employer Study

    Allen H, Wright M, Craig T, Mardekian J, Cheung R, Sanchez R, Bunn WB, Rogers W. Tracking Low Back Problems in a Major Self-Insured Workforce: Toward Improvement in the Patient’s Journey. Journal of Occupational & Environmental Medicine, 2014. 10.1097/JOM.0000000000000210

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    Contact the PCA: [email protected]

    Disclosure

    The Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association did not generate this data. PCA Deep Dive reviews and discusses independent, peer-reviewed research to help translate long-term outcomes and clinical implications for patients, clinicians, policymakers, and healthcare decision makers.

    15 min
  • Succession, Retirement, and Real Wealth Planning for Chiropractors with Prudential

    Succession, Retirement, and Real Wealth Planning for Chiropractors with Prudential

    In this episode of The Spinal Chat Podcast, powered by the Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association, host Mike Barba discusses financial planning, succession strategies, and long-term wealth management tailored explicitly for chiropractors. The special guests are Tom and Annette Quigley from Prudential, who share their expertise on business valuation, practice transition, insurance strategies, and personal financial health. They offer practical advice for chiropractors at various career stages, from those just starting to those nearing retirement. Key topics include maintaining financial stability amid transitions, retaining key staff, and balancing personal and business wealth. The episode highlights the importance of initiating financial planning early, tailoring strategies to individual needs, and considering tax implications to maximize long-term security. Check out the show notes for links to contact information, educational resources, and upcoming financial planning webinars with Prudential.

    00:00 Introduction to The Spinal Chat Podcast

    00:12 Meet Prudential: New Strategic Business Partner

    00:38 Financial Challenges and Opportunities for Chiropractors

    01:15 Introducing Tom and Annette from Prudential

    01:35 Understanding Prudential's Role and Services

    03:12 Planning for Retirement and Business Transition

    04:26 Valuing Your Chiropractic Practice

    08:30 Retaining and Rewarding Key Staff

    12:35 Tax Strategies for Chiropractors

    18:08 Personal and Professional Financial Planning

    20:24 Insurance and Annuities for Long-Term Wealth

    25:31 The Importance of Risk Management

    29:02 Balancing Financial Health and Investments

    29:44 Incremental Changes for Financial Growth

    30:48 Importance of Early Financial Planning

    31:48 Retirement Planning and Insurance

    34:21 Real-Life Retirement Stories

    38:17 Longevity Risk and Financial Planning

    42:52 Investment Strategies for Different Life Stages

    48:51 Net Worth vs. Cash Flow

    50:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

    YouTube Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGQX4eLjHo&t=2s

    Tom McElwee contact: [email protected]

    Mid-Atlantic Financial Group: https://midatlanticfg.com/about-us/

    Anette Quigley contact: [email protected]

    Frame Partners: https://www.framewealth.com/

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    Contact the PCA: [email protected]

    54 min
  • Proof in Practice: Chiropractic and Acute Low Back Pain Relief

    Proof in Practice: Chiropractic and Acute Low Back Pain Relief

    In this episode of The Spinal Chat Podcast powered by the Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association, we delve into the pivotal role of initial chiropractic care for acute low back pain. We examine the highly-cited study 'Association of Spinal Manipulative Therapy With Clinical Benefit and Harm for Acute Low Back Pain' from the Journal of the American Medical Association, and present compelling data from Washington State illustrating significantly lower odds of surgery for patients who first see a chiropractor. Additionally, we discuss a comprehensive meta-analysis of spinal manipulative therapy (SMT) to evaluate its effectiveness and safety, revealing modest but meaningful benefits for pain and function with minimal side effects. The episode underscores the importance of considering chiropractic as a first-line treatment option to improve patient outcomes, reduce healthcare costs, and potentially avoid unnecessary surgeries.

    00:00 Introduction to The Spinal Chat Podcast

    00:49 Deep Dive into Acute Low Back Pain

    02:15 The Impact of Initial Treatment Choices

    02:33 Evidence from Washington State Study

    03:09 Chiropractic Care vs. Surgery

    06:54 Effectiveness and Safety of Spinal Manipulative Therapy

    11:36 Key Takeaways and Implications

    14:24 Conclusion and Cal

    All citations are verified from the uploaded JAMA Link

    Episode Topic

    “Interpreting the Evidence: Spinal Manipulative Therapy for Acute Low Back Pain”

    Primary Study Reviewed

    Neil M. Paige, MD, MSHS; Isomi M. Miake-Lye, BA; Marika Suttorp Booth, MS; Jessica M. Beroes, BS; Aram S. Mardian, MD; Paul Dougherty, DC; Richard Branson, DC; Baron Tang, PT, DPT; Sally C. Morton, PhD; Paul G. Shekelle, MD, PhD

    Association of Spinal Manipulative Therapy With Clinical Benefit and Harm for Acute Low Back Pain: Systematic Review and Meta-analysis.

    Link to article: JAMA. 2017;317(14):1451-1460. https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2017.3086

    Excerpted from uploaded PDF†jama_paige_2017_oi_170024.pdf†L1-L40

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    Contact the PCA: [email protected]

    Disclosure

    The Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association did not generate this data. PCA Deep Dive reviews and discusses independent, peer-reviewed research to help translate long-term outcomes and clinical implications for patients, clinicians, policymakers, and healthcare decision makers.

    16 min
  • Unlocking Student Loan Forgiveness for Chiropractors with Dr. Ian Hoffman

    Unlocking Student Loan Forgiveness for Chiropractors with Dr. Ian Hoffman

    Episode Summary

    In this episode of The Spinal Chat Podcast, PCA Executive Director Mike Barba sits down with Dr. Ian Hoffman, president of the Healthcare Access Project, to explore one of the most potent and underutilized financial opportunities available to chiropractors: Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF).

    Chiropractors carry some of the highest student loan burdens in healthcare. Yet many remain unaware that PSLF is not only available to them but can also eliminate remaining student loan balances through income-driven repayment and qualifying nonprofit work.

    Dr. Hoffman shares his personal journey using PSLF, explains how chiropractors can create a nonprofit branch within their existing practice, and outlines the exact steps needed to qualify. He also highlights real success stories, including chiropractors who have already achieved complete loan forgiveness through these pathways.

    If you’re a chiropractor, student, associate, or clinic owner looking to reduce or erase student loan debt, this episode is essential listening.

    00:00 — Introduction and Exciting Announcement: Mike sets the stage for a significant financial opportunity for chiropractors.

    00:10 — Meet Dr. Ian Hoffman: Background on Dr. Hoffman and the Healthcare Access Project.

    00:42 — Understanding Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF): What PSLF is and why chiropractors qualify.

    01:22 — Dr. Hoffman’s Personal Journey: How he used PSLF and why he teaches others to do the same.

    04:26 — Starting a Nonprofit for Loan Forgiveness: How to build or integrate a nonprofit arm within your practice.

    08:30 — Employee Attraction and Retention Strategy: Why nonprofit pathways help you hire and keep staff.

    13:51 — Navigating the PSLF Requirements: Exact steps, timelines, and compliance details.

    17:00 — Success Stories and Impact: Real chiropractors who have wiped out their student loans.

    22:21 — Advice for Students and New Graduates: What every DC entering the profession should know.

    29:01 — Conclusion and Partnership Announcement: How PCA and Healthcare Access Project are working together.

    Learn more about the Healthcare Access Project: Register Here

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    Contact the PCA: [email protected]

    Chiropractic student loans, student loan forgiveness for chiropractors, PSLF for chiropractors, Public Service Loan Forgiveness, nonprofit chiropractic practice, chiropractic career pathways, IDR student loan plans, chiropractor debt elimination, Healthcare Access Project, PCA strategic partner, chiropractic financial planning, chiropractic practice management, student loan solutions for chiropractors

    32 min
  • PCA Deep Dive: Chiropractic and Stroke Risk — Separating Fact from Fear

    Debunking the Myth: Chiropractic Care and Cervical Artery Dissection

    In this 'Deep Dive' episode of PCA Spinal Chat, the official podcast of the Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association, the hosts explore the controversial topic of neck pain, chiropractic care, and its alleged risk of causing cervical artery dissection (CAD). They examine a recent systematic review and meta-analysis that investigates the purported link between cervical manipulation and CAD. Despite finding a statistical association, the study's overall evidence quality is very low, primarily due to issues such as confounding factors, recall bias, and misclassification. The episode discusses critical findings from various studies, including the influential Cassidy study, which suggests that the apparent link is likely due to patients seeking care for pre-existing symptoms rather than the treatment causing the dissection. Ultimately, the hosts emphasize the importance of challenging widely held medical beliefs and the need for critical evaluation and evidence-based practice in healthcare.

    00:00 Introduction to PCA Spinal Chat

    00:05 Exploring Neck Pain and Chiropractic Care

    00:14 Understanding Cervical Artery Dissection (CAD)

    02:16 The Study: Separating Fact from Fear

    02:35 Analyzing the Evidence

    05:18 Confounding Factors and Misinterpretations

    06:49 The Cassidy Study: A Crucial Insight

    08:44 Weaknesses in the Reviewed Studies

    10:39 Applying Hill's Criteria for Causation

    13:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

    14:54 Closing Remarks and Resources

    Study Title: Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Chiropractic Care and Cervical Artery Dissection: No Evidence for Causation

    Authors: Ephraim W. Church, Emily P. Sieg, Omar Zalatimo, Namath S. Hussain, Michael Glantz, Robert E. Harbaugh

    Journal: Cureus 8(2): e498 (2016)

    DOI: https://doi.org/10.7759/cureus.498

    PCA Website: https://pennchiro.org/

    PCA Email: [email protected]

    Disclosure

    The Pennsylvania Chiropractic Association did not generate this data. PCA Deep Dive reviews and discusses independent, peer-reviewed research to help translate long-term outcomes and clinical implications for patients, clinicians, policymakers, and healthcare decision makers.

    16 min

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