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How Gong Built a $7B AI Category: From "Conversation Intelligence" to the Revenue Operating System
Most sales teams fly blind. They rely on "gut feel" and "art" rather than data and science. Eilon Reshef (Co-founder & CPO of Gong) realized this in 2015 and built a platform that captures the reality of every customer interaction to drive predictable growth.
In this episode of Startup Project, Eilon breaks down the evolution of Gong, how they achieved 57% higher win rates for companies like PayPal and DocuSign, and why the "Revenue Graph" is the next frontier of enterprise AI.
If you are a founder, a product leader, or a sales professional looking to understand how AI is actually transforming the enterprise, this deep dive is for you.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
The Genesis of Gong: Why Eilon moved from a successful exit at WebCollage to solving the "black box" of sales conversations.
The "Science" of Sales: How to move away from subjective CRM updates to hard data captured from video, email, and phone calls.
The Revenue Graph: Why Gong’s proprietary data model is more valuable than a generic LLM.
Scaling to 5,000+ Customers: The tactical steps Gong took to achieve product-market fit in a crowded SaaS landscape.
The Future of AI Agents: Why "Vibe Coding" and prosumer AI are just the beginning, and how the enterprise shift is happening now.
Timestamps:0:00 - Intro: Meeting Eilon Reshef2:15 - The "Aha!" moment that led to Gong10:45 - Moving from transcription to "Revenue Intelligence"18:30 - How Gong achieves 57% higher win rates for customers25:50 - Building a proprietary AI layer on top of LLMs34:10 - The "Revenue Graph" explained42:15 - Why most enterprise AI implementations fail50:00 - Advice for founders building in the AI era54:14 - Closing thoughts
Connect with Eilon & Gong:
Website: https://www.gong.io/
Eilon’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eilonreshef
#Gong #AI #SalesTech #StartupGrowth #Entrepreneurship #RevenueIntelligence #SaaS #ProductMarketFit #EilonReshef #StartupProject
In this episode of Startup Project, host Nataraj sits down with Andrew Bialecki, Co-founder and CEO of Klaviyo, to unpack one of the most capital-efficient growth stories in modern SaaS history.
Klaviyo grew into a $7B+ public company while raising just $15M in total funding—a sharp contrast to today’s venture-backed growth playbooks. Klaviyo now powers the marketing and growth of thousands of ecommerce brands worldwide, using data, automation, and AI to help businesses build deeper relationships with their customers.
This conversation goes deep into the real work behind that outcome: the long road to product-market fit, the tradeoffs the team made early on, and why Klaviyo intentionally avoided blitzscaling in favor of building a durable, data-driven platform.
Andrew shares candid insights into Klaviyo’s early years, when growth was slow, uncertainty was high, and the company looked nothing like a future public-market success story. We discuss why finding product-market fit took longer than expected, how early customer feedback shaped the product, and why patience turned out to be one of Klaviyo’s biggest competitive advantages.
Rather than chasing short-term growth metrics, Klaviyo focused on deeply understanding ecommerce customers and building infrastructure that could scale for the long term. That discipline ultimately shaped the company’s culture, product roadmap, and go-to-market strategy.
A major theme of the episode is how AI and customer data are reshaping the future of ecommerce marketing.
Andrew explains why data—not features—is the real moat in modern marketing platforms, and how Klaviyo’s architecture allowed the company to benefit from AI as the technology matured. We explore how AI is changing personalization, segmentation, and automation for ecommerce brands, and why many AI marketing tools miss the point by focusing on surface-level automation instead of foundational data infrastructure.
This is a thoughtful, grounded discussion about where AI actually creates leverage in marketing—and where hype often distracts teams from doing the hard work.
At a time when many startups raise hundreds of millions of dollars to fuel growth, Klaviyo’s story stands out as a case study in capital efficiency.
Andrew walks through why the company chose to raise so little capital, how constraints shaped better decision-making, and what founders today can learn from building with discipline. We also discuss the tradeoffs of avoiding aggressive fundraising, the pressure that comes with slower growth, and why capital efficiency can be a long-term strategic advantage rather than a limitation.
This episode is especially valuable for:
Startup founders building SaaS or ecommerce companies
Marketers and ecommerce leaders navigating AI-driven change
Product and growth leaders thinking about data as a moat
Investors and operators interested in capital-efficient businesses
Anyone curious about how enduring companies are actually built
How Klaviyo became a $7B+ public company with only $15M raised
The long path to product-market fit
Why capital efficiency beat hypergrowth
Building an AI-powered marketing platform for ecommerce
Turning customer data into a durable competitive moat
How AI is reshaping ecommerce and digital marketing
Lessons for founders building long-term SaaS businesses
Nataraj is the host of Startup Project, an investor and product leader who explores how real companies are built—from early product decisions to scaling with discipline. Startup Project features in-depth conversations with founders who’ve achieved genuine product-market fit, focusing on the thinking, tradeoffs, and execution behind enduring businesses.
In this episode of Startup Project, host Nataraj speaks with Ilya Levtov, Founder and CEO of CraftCo, an AI-powered platform designed to help organizations better understand and organize supplier information.
The conversation focuses on how enterprises and public-sector organizations manage large supplier networks, bring together data from multiple systems, and use AI-driven tools to improve visibility and operational efficiency. Ilya shares insights from building an enterprise software company, working with complex customers, and applying data and automation to support better decision-making across procurement and supply chain teams.
This episode is intended for listeners interested in enterprise technology, AI platforms, procurement software, and the practical challenges of building and scaling data-driven companies.
Topics discussed
AI-powered supplier intelligence
Supply chain data organization and visibility
Procurement software and enterprise workflows
Building scalable enterprise platforms
Lessons from founding and growing a technology company
🎙 Guest: Ilya Levtov, Founder & CEO, CraftCo
🎧 Host: Nataraj
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Discover how Cerebras is challenging NVIDIA with a fundamentally different approach to AI hardware and large-scale inference.
In this episode of Startup Project, Nataraj sits down with Andrew Feldman, co-founder and CEO of Cerebras Systems, to discuss how the company built a wafer-scale AI chip from first principles. Andrew shares the origin story of Cerebras, why they chose to rethink chip architecture entirely, and how system-level design decisions unlock new performance for modern AI workloads.
The conversation explores:
Why inference is becoming the dominant cost and performance bottleneck in AI
How Cerebras’ wafer-scale architecture overcomes GPU memory and communication limits
What it takes to compete with incumbents like NVIDIA and AMD as a new chip company
The tradeoffs between training and inference at scale
Cerebras’ product strategy across systems, cloud offerings, and enterprise deployments
This episode is a deep dive into AI infrastructure, semiconductor architecture, and system-level design, and is especially relevant for builders, engineers, and leaders thinking about the future of AI compute.
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Discover how Radical AI is revolutionizing material science using self-driving labs.
About the episode:
Nataraj hosts Joseph Krause, CEO of Radical AI, to explore how they're speeding up material R&D by combining AI, engineering, and robotics. Joseph shares his journey from material science to venture capital, highlighting Radical AI's mission to create a self-driving lab that autonomously designs tests and discovers new materials. The episode dives into Radical AI's materials flywheel concept, their open-source engine, and how they're attracting funding to drive innovation in material science. Discover how Radical AI is set to revolutionize industries from aerospace to energy with cutting-edge material discovery.
What you’ll learn
About the Guest and Host:
Guest Name: Joseph Krause, Co-founder and CEO of Radical AI, aiming to revolutionize material science with AI, engineering, and robotics.
Connect with Guest:
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfkrause
→ Website: https://www.radical-ai.com/
Nataraj: Host of the Startup Project podcast, Senior PM at Azure & Investor.
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
→ Substack: https://startupproject.substack.com/
In this episode, we cover
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#RadicalAI #AI #MaterialScience #Robotics #DeepTech #Innovation #VentureCapital #Aerospace #Defense #Energy #NewMaterials #SelfDrivingLabs #MachineLearning #GenerativeAI #OpenSource #Podcast #Startup #Technology #Research #NVIDIA
Unlock the secrets to Decagon AI's $1.5 billion valuation and AI-powered customer support.
Ashwin Sreenivas is the co-founder of Decagon AI, a company revolutionizing enterprise customer support with AI agents. Founded in 2023, Decagon has rapidly grown to a $1.5 billion valuation, automating support workflows for brands like Duolingo and Notion. Ashwin, previously co-founder of Helio (acquired by Scale AI), shares insights into Decagon's product-market fit, secret sauce, and tangible business impact, revealing how AI is transforming customer interaction. If you're curious about the future of AI in enterprise solutions, this episode is a must-listen.
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Discover the evolving roles of traditional vs. new media in tech and gain insights into effective content creation strategies.
About the episode:
In this episode, Nataraj hosts Alex Konrad, founder and editor of Upstart Media, to explore the shifting dynamics of tech media. Alex shares his experiences at Forbes, defines the roles of traditional and new media, and discusses the challenges and opportunities for new tech publications. He also dives into storytelling trends, content creation strategies, and the impact of AI on the media landscape. Learn how new media publications can thrive in a decentralized ecosystem and why staying close to the "engine room" of innovation is crucial for success.
What you’ll learn
About the Guest and Host:
Alex Konrad: Founder and editor of Upstart Media, a tech publication focused on the startup ecosystem.
Connect with Alex:
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexrkonrad/
→ Website: https://www.upstartsmedia.com/
Nataraj: Host of the Startup Project podcast, Senior PM at Azure & Investor.
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
→ Substack: https://startupproject.substack.com/
In this episode, we cover
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#Startup #TechMedia #NewMedia #ContentCreation #AI #VentureCapital #Startups #Forbes #Substack #Podcast #SocialMedia #Threads #MidasList #Innovation #Entrepreneurship #MediaStrategy #TechTrends #DigitalMedia #ContentMarketing #UpstartMedia
This week we are republishing one of our favourite conversations that didn't get much visibility when it first came out.
About the episode:
Nataraj hosts Pedro Domingos, a distinguished figure in AI and machine learning, to discuss the current state of AI, hype cycles, and future trends. Pedro shares insights from his early career, his widely-read book "The Master Algorithm," and his satirical novel "2040." He offers a critical perspective on LLMs, the AI safety debate, and what truly drives progress in the field, while providing guidance on navigating the complex information landscape and choosing impactful research problems. The discussion dives deep into the societal impact of AI, the importance of critical thinking, and the future of AI research, offering a unique blend of technical insights and thought-provoking commentary. Why should you care? Understand the reality behind the AI hype, identify future trends, and learn how to navigate the complex world of AI research.
What you’ll learn
- Understand the reality of AI progress, separating it from the hype and misconceptions surrounding LLMs and AGI [1, 2].
- Learn about the history of AI, including Herb Simon's Nobel Prize and the evolution of machine learning as a subfield of AI .
- Discern the truth about AI, including the importance of machine learning, reasoning, and other AI fields .
- Identify the key factors driving investment in AI and the potential risks of the current AI bubble, including how technological progress can be shaped using S-curves .
- Gain insights into the future of AI research, exploring the limitations of transformers and the need for diverse research directions .
- Explore the concept of "The Master Algorithm" and how it provides a comprehensive view of AI, beyond narrow slivers of research .
- Learn practical tips for navigating the information landscape, including identifying reliable sources, being a critical consumer of information, and maximizing your "Sharpe ratio" in terms of impact .
- Discover the importance of mentorship and community in AI research, including attending conferences, engaging in discussions, and learning the empirical method of machine learning .
About the Guest and Host:
Guest Name: Pedro Domingos is a professor emeritus of computer science and engineering from the University of Washington and a leading expert in artificial intelligence.
Connect with Guest:
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pedro-domingos-77b183/
Nataraj: Host of the Startup Project podcast, Senior PM at Azure & Investor.
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
→ Twitter: https://x.com/natarajsindam
→ Substack: https://startupproject.substack.com/
→ Website: https://thestartupproject.io
In this episode, we cover
(00:01) Introduction and Guest Introduction
(01:26) Pedro's early career and why he chose machine learning
(03:51) Nobel Prizes and AI
(07:12) AI vs Machine Learning
(08:53) LLMs and the current AI hype cycle
(14:17) Comparing Models to Human Intelligence
(16:56) Investment in AI and progress
(21:22) Thoughts on OpenAI
(25:56) Investing in talent
(29:05) AI Safety
(35:10) Master Algorithm
(40:27) Jensen Wong and NVIDIA's Pivot
(43:59) AI Chip Projects
(47:05) 2040
(52:19) How AI Will Change Society
(55:12) Recommendation Systems
(59:56) Sources of Consumption
(01:07:50) What Pedro is consuming
(01:09:59) Advice to those interested in AI research
(01:12:41) Mentors
(01:15:47) Advice to Researchers
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#AI #MachineLearning #DeepLearning #ArtificialIntelligence #MasterAlgorithm #2040 #PedroDomingos #Research #Innovation #Tech #Technology #Podcast #Startup #Entrepreneurship #VentureCapital #LLMs #AGI #AISafety #FutureofAI
We are republishing one of our favorite episode with the co-founder of Momento this week, we will be publishing a brand new episode next week.
Discover how a NASA engineer leveraged AWS to build a serverless caching solution.
About the episode:
Join Nataraj as he speaks with Khawaja Shams, co-founder and CEO of Momento, a serverless caching solution that just closed a $15 million Series A round. Khawaja shares his journey from processing images for Mars rovers at NASA to leading engineering teams at Amazon and now revolutionizing caching with Momento. He discusses the challenges of building scalable infrastructure, the importance of developer productivity, and how Momento is simplifying real-time data infrastructure for enterprises. Learn how Momento addresses the complexities of traditional caching solutions, enabling developers to focus on building interactive experiences.
What you’ll learn
- Hear Khawaja's experience at NASA, working on image processing for Mars Rovers and his transition to AWS to accelerate image processing.
- Find out how AWS inspired Khawaja to join Amazon and contribute to the growth of cloud computing and its impact on innovation.
- Learn how Momento addresses the complexities of traditional caching solutions, enabling developers to focus on building interactive experiences.
- Understand Momento's accidental discovery of a two-tier caching system that evolved into a web server, enhancing developer productivity and scalability.
- Discover the initial steps from zero to one in building Momento, including team hiring and partnering with design partners for customer feedback and product grounding.
- Hear about target customers for Momento's solutions, focusing on media, entertainment, gaming, and fintech companies with spiky traffic and mission-critical needs.
- Explore Khawaja's perspective on Amazon's leadership principles and Momento's core leadership values, emphasizing customer centricity and psychological safety.
- Gain insights into building a company culture that attracts top talent and addresses the challenges of convincing individuals to join a startup.
About the Guest and Host:
Khawaja Shams: CEO and Co-Founder of Momento, previously at NASA and AWS, building serverless and low-latency solutions.
Connect with Guest:
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kshams/
Nataraj: Host of the Startup Project podcast, Senior PM at Azure & Investor.
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
→ Twitter: https://x.com/natarajsindam
→ Substack: https://startupproject.substack.com/
→ Website: https://thestartupproject.io
In this episode, we cover
(00:00) Introduction and Guest Introduction
(01:14) Khawaja's Early Career at NASA
(03:27) Transitioning Image Processing to AWS
(05:59) Joining Amazon and the Cloud Computing Revolution
(08:00) Early Days at Amazon and AWS Culture
(10:08) Roles and Products at Amazon: DynamoDB and Elemental
(13:58) The Vision Behind AWS's Growth
(15:55) The Genesis of Momento: Identifying a Gap in Caching Solutions
(19:07) Insights from DynamoDB Customers
(21:30) Building Momento: From Zero to One
(24:46) Ideal Design Partners and Target Verticals
(27:24) Validating Product-Market Fit
(28:43) B2B Marketing and Growth Strategies
(31:19) Amazon's Leadership Principles and Company Culture
(34:27) Building a Unique Culture at Momento
(36:56) Attracting Talent to a Startup
(39:26) Khawaja's Current Consumption (Books, Podcasts, etc.)
(40:32) Mentors and Influences
(41:50) Lessons Learned as a First-Time Founder
(43:27) Thoughts on AI and Its Impact on Infrastructure
(45:33) Concluding Remarks
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#Momento #Serverless #Caching #AWS #DynamoDB #NASA #CloudComputing #Startup #Entrepreneurship #Innovation #BainCapital #SeriesA #RealTimeData #Infrastructure #DeveloperProductivity #Tech #Podcast #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #MarsRover
Discover how webAI is revolutionizing AI by enabling powerful models to run directly on devices.
About the episode:
Nataraj chats with David Stout, founder of webAI, about bringing AI infrastructure to edge devices. David shares his journey from a Michigan farm to pioneering techniques for compressing AI models onto phones, laptops, and even airplanes. They discuss the importance of data privacy, real-time processing, and the shift from cloud-based AI to a web of interconnected, specialized AI systems working across devices. Learn about WebAI's vision for the future of AI and how they achieved a $700 million valuation.
What you’ll learn
- Understand the limitations of cloud-based AI and the advantages of edge computing for data privacy and real-time processing.
- Discover how webAI compresses and optimizes large AI models to run efficiently on everyday devices like phones and laptops.
- Learn about the potential of a decentralized “web of models” and how it could revolutionize various industries.
- Explore the key factors driving webAI's success, including their focus on horizontal technology and support for diverse AI models.
- Gain insights into the future of AI hardware and software.
About the Guest and Host:
Guest Name: David Stout, Founder of webAI, pioneering AI infrastructure for edge devices.
Connect with Guest:
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidpstout/
→ Website: https://www.webai.com/
Nataraj: Host of the Startup Project podcast, Senior PM at Azure & Investor.
→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
→ Substack: https://startupproject.substack.com/
In this episode, we cover
(00:01) Introduction and Guest Introduction
(01:35) David's Journey in AI and Machine Learning
(03:51) Bringing AI Models to Devices
(05:49) Applications of AI on Devices
(08:10) The Thesis for Starting webAI
(11:16) Optimizing for Specialized Models
(15:02) Web AI's Customers and Use Cases
(17:00) Hardware Optimization for webAI
(19:12) Lightweight Personal Models
(22:55) The Trajectory of Foundational Model Companies and AGI
(31:48) Emergent Behavior and Intelligence
(35:17) Prompts Don't Pay Bills
(41:22) Meta's Approach to Recruiting and Spending
(44:51) Form Factors in AI
(51:04) Surprising AI Products
(52:42) Breakthroughs in AI Research
(56:31) XAI's Models
(01:03:24) The Future of Google and Search
(01:06:39) Finding David and webAI
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#AI #EdgeComputing #MachineLearning #DataPrivacy #WebAI #ArtificialIntelligence #DecentralizedAI #AIInfrastructure #Startup #Technology #Innovation #Podcast #Entrepreneurship #TechStartups #DeepLearning #ModelCompression #AIModels #Inference #NatarajSindam #StartupProject
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