Katie talks to Josh Paul, Former Director in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs of the State Depart, about why he and other government officials resigned. Then Katie talks to Jen Perelman a former zionist turned anti-Zionist running against the very zionist Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL). Perelman received more than 21,000 votes (nearly 30 percent of the vote) in the 2020 Democratic Party primary.

Josh Paul resigned from the State Department in October, 2023 due to his disagreement with the Biden Administration's decision to rush lethal military assistance to Israel in the context of its war on Gaza. He had previously spent over 11 years working as a Director in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, which is responsible for U.S. defense diplomacy, security assistance, and arms transfers. He previously worked on security sector reform in both Iraq and the West Bank, with additional roles in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, U.S. Army Staff, and as a Military Legislative Assistant for a Member of the U.S. House Armed Services Committee. Josh grew up between London and New York, and holds Masters degrees from the Universities of Georgetown and St Andrews, Scotland. He is currently a Non-Resident Fellow at the organization Democracy for the Arab World Now (DAWN) and a recipient of the 2023 Callaway Award for Civic Courage.

Jen Perelman, a former zionist turned anti-Zionist, is running against the very zionist Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL). Perelman received more than 21,000 votes (nearly 30 percent of the vote) in the 2020 Democratic Party primary. Jen talks to Katie about her campaign, going on the offensive against Zionism and AIPAC, why AIPAC isn’t registered as a foreign agent and more. https://www.jen2024.org/

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