My friend and NY Times bestselling author, podcast contributor, teacher, and political activist, Steve Almond, joins me to discuss his seminal book Against Football. We dive deep into our toxic love affair with the gridiron, exploring its narrative strengths, subtle complexities, and its unique ability to unite people. At the same time, we weigh these against the darker side of the sport—nationalism, greed, racism, and misogyny—and ask what this says about us as a nation. As we head into Super Bowl Sunday, a game that few outside of KC or Philly seem to care about, we invite you to evaluate whether it’s all worth it. Be sure to check out Steve’s books at: https://stevealmondjoy.org

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