Many leaders inherit thriving churches, movements, or teams—but quietly carry the crushing weight of “keeping it all going.”

In this episode, Dave and Mark unpack how spiritual fatherhood frees emerging leaders from simply managing legacy and empowers them to rediscover the first principles that birthed the work in the first place. They explore how Jesus modeled this through essence and execution, how anti-fragility is forged in the muddy realities of doing the work, and why success without first principles always collapses under its own weight.

If you’ve ever felt pressure to sustain momentum without knowing how it was built, this conversation will give you language, hope, and a clear path forward.

Visit MuddyBootsLeader.com for Mark’s writings mentioned in this episode

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