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What if your job or business isn’t competing with your calling, but is actually part of it? Jonathan shares stories from Africa and Asia showing how ordinary businesses are helping disciple makers meet people, support their families, plant churches, and reduce unhealthy dependence on outside funding.
We unpack the sacred-secular divide, why “full-time ministry” may be the wrong category, and how sustainability affects whether movements can actually reproduce beyond the first generation. If you’ve ever wondered how work, money, mission, and multiplication fit together, this conversation will challenge some assumptions.
You can teach someone disciple-making principles for hours and still leave them unsure what to actually do. In this episode, Mark and Dave unpack why disciple-making is more than knowledge transfer, it’s skill transfer that requires seeing, participating, and reflecting. They explore how Jesus formed disciples through a repeated rhythm of modeling, experience, questions, and debriefing. If you want people to move from understanding disciple-making to actually reproducing it, this conversation gives you a practical way forward.
You can stay so focused on local ministry that you lose sight of the larger work, or spend so much time coordinating others that you stop making disciples yourself. Fresh from Kathmandu, Mark and Dave wrestle with how to remain rooted in your own field while responding when God opens doors elsewhere.They explain why Kingdom growth rarely follows a clean strategy and how relationships, collaboration, and “boat time” create opportunities you could never plan. You’ll learn how to trade control for stewardship while staying faithful to the people and places God has actually entrusted to you.
Disciple making often feels easiest right before reality strips away your confidence. Mark and Dave unpack the “dip,” when complicated people and disappointing results tempt you to quit, change methods, or return to what feels safe.Through Peter’s failures and Jesus’ response to struggling disciples, they show how relationship, vision, and hands-on help move people forward. You’ll learn to identify what a disciple needs in their head, heart, or hands so you can help them reach maturity and multiplication.
Church is more than a meeting you attend. In Acts 2, the first believers devoted themselves to shared practices that actually formed them into a new kind of people. Mark and Dave unpack how Scripture, fellowship, breaking bread, and prayer become the engine that shapes identity and produces generosity, worship, spiritual power, and multiplication. If you want disciples who actually live differently, not just attend faithfully, this episode gets practical about what has to change.
Most leaders talk about multiplication, train for it, and send people to pursue it without ever experiencing it themselves. Rodger explains why people rarely go further than their trainer, how he moved from fast addition to fourth-generation churches, and why even that was not enough to reach a city. He breaks down how to find potential catalysts through prayer, relationships, character, burden for the lost, and a God-sized vision. If you want to raise multipliers or build a hub that can equip others, this episode exposes the gap that theory cannot close.
Most Christians agree with the Great Commission but still don’t know how to begin. This episode shows how four questions, why, who, how, and when, turn disciple-making intentions into action. You’ll learn why simple tools build competence, repeated practice builds confidence, and both are necessary for multiplication. Mark also explains how the 4-1-1 moves ordinary disciples from using a tool to forming a habit and eventually living from a disciple-making identity.
Most disciple-making efforts don't fail because of bad intentions. They fail because they unknowingly reproduce the wrong DNA. In this episode, Mark and Dave unpack why the habits, culture, and rhythms you establish from day one will determine what the disciples become years later. You'll learn how to protect a harvest culture, avoid consumer Christianity, and build groups that naturally multiply.
How Do People Discover They’re Leaders? Most leaders try to recruit people into a vision, but Jesus modeled something harder: do the work, open your life, and let the right people recognize themselves in it. Mark and Dave unpack why emerging leaders need more than an invitation. They need a visible model, shared values, and space to discover that they genuinely want to lead. If you’re tired of convincing reluctant people or wondering why no one is joining you, this episode will show you how to become a leader others can actually find.
You can stay busy making disciples and still have no idea what you’re trying to produce. Mark and Dave explain why defining “done” gives you the focus to develop people without controlling them or keeping them dependent on you.They unpack how Jesus could call his work finished even though his disciples were still imperfect and growing. You’ll learn how to recognize when someone has enough skill, character, and ownership to carry the work forward.
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