Shifting Culture

We are marked for kingdom transformation. But how do we actually get there? In this episode, Rich Robinson returns to share insights from his new book "All Change" - a roadmap for unlocking kingdom potential in a rapidly changing world. Rich has spent decades coaching leaders and organizations through disruptive seasons of change. He unpacks a powerful framework of dream, discover, design, and deploy that mirrors the journey Jesus took with his disciples. Rich shares how to cultivate childlike curiosity, prototype new ideas, and empower teams to multiply impact. If you're feeling stuck in survival mode or frustrated by the pace of change, this conversation will inspire you to reimagine what's possible and take courageous steps forward. Prepare to have your imagination unlocked for the kingdom work you're called to.

Rich Robinson has led pioneering work in missional disciple-making, kingdom innovation, Christian entrepreneurship, and organizational change across the globe. He is a cofounder of Movement Leaders Collective, Creo, and Catalyse Change.

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All Change

Rich's Recommendation:
Sacred Fire

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Today, we're diving into the powerful intersection of justice, faith, and women's issues with Tiffany Bluhm. As the new director of Made for PAX and the author of the devotional "The Women We've Been Waiting For," Tiffany has dedicated her life's work to empowering marginalized voices and reimagining what flourishing looks like for women. In our conversation, Tiffany unpacks the vital role of self-care, contemplation, and holy imagination in the lives of women - especially those facing injustice. She shares how practices like breath prayers, centering prayer, and cultivating a "magnificent refuge" can provide the resilience and inner strength needed to enact communal renewal. Tiffany also explores the importance of women's stories and perspectives, and how men can benefit from engaging with diverse voices. We discuss the power of art, beauty, and creativity to nourish the soul and spark new visions of what's possible. Ultimately, Tiffany's message is one of hope - that when women are empowered to tend to their own wholeness, it leads to the flourishing of entire communities. So join me as we learn from Tiffany's wisdom and imagine a more equitable world where women's full humanity is honored.

Tiffany Bluhm is a speaker and writer with more than fifteen years of experience in ministry and nonprofit leadership. She is the author of Never Alone, She Dreams, and Prey Tell and former cohost of the Why Tho? podcast. She speaks at conferences, companies, and churches around the world, and her work has been featured in Publishers Weekly and Sojourners. As a minority, immigrant woman with an interracial family, Bluhm is passionate about inviting all to the table of faith, equality, justice, and dignity. She lives in the Pacific Northwest.

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The Women We've Been Waiting For

Tiffany's Recommendation:
Trying

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In this episode, Christine Westhoff shares about reframing our understanding of the prophetic. Christine has been on a 30-year journey exploring the beautiful and dreadful aspects of the prophetic movement, and she's here to share some crucial insights. We dive into the common misuses of prophecy that we've seen, especially in the political landscape. But more importantly, Christine unpacks the true purpose of the prophetic - to align people back to the covenant and the eternal purposes of Christ. We discuss the distinction between prophecy and simple encouragement, the vital role of the apostolic and prophetic working together, and the importance of testing and weighing prophetic words in community. Christine also shares her heart for the body of Christ to persevere through disillusionment and fight for the true prophetic. This is a conversation that I believe will challenge and equip you to approach the prophetic in a healthier, more biblical way. So join us as we reframe the prophetic.

Christine is the author and creator of Reframing the Prophetic. She has a long history with the International team for 24-7 Prayer and is the President and founder of Akouo Missions, Inc, which is the umbrella ministry for Reframing the Prophetic and Illuminated Soul.

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Reframing the Prophetic

Christine's Course:
Reframing the Prophetic

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In this episode, Chris Lee shares his own journey of discovering the deep, unconditional love of God, and how that truth can transform our lives and culture, even in the midst of anxiety, fear, and division. Chris reminds us that at the core of the gospel is the simple yet profound message that we are loved by God. He encourages us to stop, be still, and receive that love - not through our own efforts or worthiness, but simply by acknowledging who God is. As we navigate challenging cultural waters, Chris offers wisdom on avoiding the traps of judgment and instead reflecting the grace and peace of Christ. His words point us to the life-giving presence of the Holy Spirit, and how cultivating that awareness can bear fruit in our lives and relationships. Whether you're feeling weary, cynical, or simply hungry for more of God's love, I believe this conversation will nourish your soul and inspire you to know, deep in your heart, that you are beloved.

Chris Lee is the Vicar of St Saviours Wendell Park a growing Church in West London. He is married to Jenny and father of three, Rose, Saoirse and Jack. He is an Instagram influencer with over 170k followers (revchris7) and a YouTuber with over 350 million views on the various videos he is involved in. He uses his social media platforms to communicate the love God and of self. His 60 second sermons have brought him national coverage, being called by Holly Willoughby ‘the internet’s favourite vicar’. Chris’ latest book is Know You Are Beloved. Chris is a published author with Penguin Century releasing ‘The OMG Effect’ in Nov 2020 and has two new books coming out with Tyndale publishing in 2024. He has been regular contributor to Pause for Thought on BBC radio 2 and has spoken at conferences at home and abroad. He has a podcast called ‘come read with me,’ where he reads the bible with friends and discusses it. He is passionate about prayer and encouraging people to deepen their relationship with God through silence and contemplation. The Church Chris leads has a rule of life rather vision action plan which reflects the spirituality of the place.

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Know You Are Beloved

Chris' Recommendation:
Practicing the Way

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In this episode, Shannon K. Evans takes us on a fascinating journey through the lives and teachings of radical female mystics from history, and explores how their wisdom and practices can speak powerfully to our lives and faith today. We'll dive into topics like the importance of art and creativity, caring for the environment, mental health, and finding balance between action and contemplation. So join us as we listen to what the mystics of the past have to say to us.

Shannon K. Evans is the author of the books The Mystics Would Like a Word, Feminist Prayers for My Daughter, and Rewilding Motherhood. With interest in ecofeminism, contemplative practice, and social change, Shannon leads workshops and retreats across the country that spark curiosity and compassion. She has partnered with the Jesuits of Canada and the U.S. and is a frequent contributor to Franciscan Media. Having previously lived in Indonesia for two years, Shannon loves to travel, but is happiest at home on the Iowa prairie with her family and beloved chickens.

Shannon's Book:
The Mystics Would Like a Word


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In this episode, Natalie Runion shares her vision for rebuilding the church on the solid foundation of Jesus, moving past the deconstruction and hurt many have experienced. We discuss the blueprint found in the book of Acts for a Spirit-led, missional, and unified church that loves God and loves people. Natalie provides practical insights on cultivating a culture of prayer, developing true shepherds, and keeping our identity rooted in Christ rather than performance or platform. This is a hopeful and challenging conversation about the future of the church. Join us as we make sure the bones of our church screams Jesus.

Natalie Runion is the USA Today, Publishers Weekly, and ECPA bestselling author of Raised to Stay: Persevering in Ministry When You Have a Million Reasons to Walk Away and The House That Jesus Built: Leading Our Churches Back to God’s Original Blueprint (September 2024). She is also the founder of Raised to Stay, an online community of over 161,000 “Stayers” who are honest in their wrestling about their relationship with Jesus and His Church. A pastor’s daughter from Cincinnati, Ohio, Natalie graduated from Miami University with a degree in education and has served as a pastor in the local church for over twenty years. She is a songwriter, worship leader, podcaster, and sought-after speaker at churches and conferences around the world. Natalie lives in Kentucky with her husband, Tony, and their two daughters. Natalie and Tony work together to provide training and education to pastors and leaders in pursuit of a healthy and reconciled Church.

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The House That Jesus Built

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In this episode, Jemar Tisby takes us through the rich history of Black Christians fighting for justice in America. From Phillis Wheatley's powerful poetry to the legal strategy that toppled Jim Crow, Tisby highlights how the "spirit of justice" has driven Black Christians to resist oppression and work towards greater freedom. He emphasizes the crucial distinction between "slaveholder Christianity" and the true Christianity of Christ, which compels us to love our neighbor. Tisby stresses the importance of maintaining a "smoke detector" mentality - staying vigilantly engaged in the ongoing struggle for justice. Ultimately, Tisby's message is one of hope and inspiration. By studying the stories of those who've gone before, we can tap into that same spirit of justice and keep moving the needle towards a more righteous and equitable society.

Jemar Tisby is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the Church's Complicity in Racism, How to Fight Racism, How to Fight Racism: Young Reader's Edition, and his latest The Spirit of Justice. He is also a Professor of History at Simmons College of Kentucky in Louisville. Jemar has been a co-host of the "Pass the Mic" podcast since its inception seven years ago. His writing has been featured in the Washington Post, The Atlantic, and the New York Times among others. He is a frequent commentator on outlets such as NPR and CNN's New Day program. He speaks nationwide on the topics of racial justice, U.S. history and Christianity. Jemar earned his PhD in history and he studies race, religion, and social movements in the 20th century. You can follow his work through his newsletter, Footnotes, and on social media at @JemarTisby.

Jemar's Book:
The Spirit of Justice

Jemar's Recommendation:
Disarming Leviathan

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This conversation with Karl Vaters is a fascinating look at the history and impact of the Church Growth Movement in America and around the world. Karl shares how the movement started with good intentions to reach more people for Christ, but over time it became an unhealthy obsession with numerical growth and bigger churches. The danger is that we've often confused numerical size with spiritual health. Karl challenges us to shift our focus away from just growing the numbers, and instead prioritize discipleship and integrity in our churches. He believes discipleship can fix most problems a church faces, because it's about developing mature followers of Jesus, not just filling seats. Additionally, Karl warns against the celebrity culture that has crept into the church, where we elevate certain pastors and put them on a pedestal. Instead, he advocates for a return to more collaborative, team-based leadership that equips the whole body for ministry. Overall, this was a thought-provoking conversation that calls the church back to its biblical foundations of making disciples, walking in integrity, and letting Jesus build his church. Join us as we de-size the church.

Karl Vaters is the author of five books, including the brand-new De-Sizing the Church. Karl produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com. His heart is to help pastors of small churches (up to 90 percent of us) find the resources to lead well, and to capitalize on the unique advantages that come with pastoring a small church – something virtually every pastor will spend at least some of their ministry years doing. He also believes that big and small churches can and should work together more often – to the benefit and blessing of everyone.

Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry. Episodes feature in-depth interviews about the topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context.

Karl has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience.

Karl's Book:
De-Sizing the Church

Karl's Recommendation:
The Great Dechurching

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This conversation with Jonny Morrison explores a holistic, relational understanding of the gospel and sin. Jonny shares how his personal story of loss and doubt led him to rediscover the good news of Jesus as a revelation of God's relentless love and restoration. He unpacks how sin is best understood as missing the mark of love, rather than just breaking arbitrary moral laws. Johnny emphasizes the importance of storytelling, community, and participating in God's work of healing generational trauma. Jonny highlights how the parable of the prodigal son illuminates the gospel's message of relationship, belonging, and transformation. Join us as we discover the good news of Jesus all over again.

Jonny Morrison is co-lead pastor at Missio Dei in Salt Lake City, Utah, responsible for teaching and vision. He’s passionate about helping people gain a bigger imagination for God, experience the radical love of Jesus, and learn to see and join God’s work in their everyday lives. Jonny has a master’s degree in exegetical studies from Western Seminary and a doctorate in contextual theology from Northern Seminary. Jonny is the author of Light as Air and his newest book, Prodigal Gospel.

Jonny's Book:
Prodigal Gospel

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In this wide-ranging conversation, Khristi Lauren Adams, author of "Womanish Theology," discusses her personal journey of discovering God through the lens of black girlhood. She reflects on the importance of integrating one's lived experiences with theological study, and how viewing Scripture and theology through diverse cultural perspectives can deepen our understanding of the divine. Adams shares insights from her interviews with young black girls, highlighting their unique perspectives on salvation, prayer, and the presence of God in the face of suffering and evil. She emphasizes the need for empathy, openness, and a willingness to learn from marginalized voices, rather than imposing one's own agenda or beliefs. We explore themes of identity, community, and the universal truths found in Jesus' teachings, underscoring the potential for reconciliation and redemption when we approach theological inquiry with humility and a spirit of curiosity. Join us as we discover God through the lens of black girlhood.

Khristi Lauren Adams is a speaker, author, youth advocate and ordained Baptist minister. Khristi is the author of Parable of the Brown Girl, Unbossed: How Black Girls Are Leading the Way and its middle grade version Black Girls Unbossed: Young World Changers Leading the Way. The books are published by Broadleaf and Beaming Books. Parable of the Brown Girl has received awards for Best Young Adult Book from The African American Literary Awards and the New York Black Librarians Caucus. Unbossed was a 2023 runner up for the Los Angeles Book Festival and Black Girls Unbossed is a 2023 finalist for a Foreword INDIES Book of the Year award in the Juvenile Nonfiction category. Khristi is the Executive Director of Community and Belonging for the St. Paul’s School’s, a family of independent schools in Baltimore County, MD. She previously worked as Dean of Spiritual Life & Equity and instructor of Religious Studies at the Hill School. Khristi is a graduate of Temple University with a degree in Advertising and a graduate of Princeton Theological Seminary where she obtained a Master of Divinity degree.

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Womanish Theology

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