This week I spiraled out with novelist, essayist, and gorgeous person Leslie Jamison (Make It Scream, Make It Burn; The Empathy Exams.)  We talked the terror of harming others, the complicated notion of art as therapeutic, and shame personified as a highly critical -and generously tattooed- male graduate student. 
Plus, Leslie shares a brutal adolescent shame story about seeing her worst fears about herself embodied and then MEMORIALIZED  in her high school yearbook.

Follow Leslie on Twitter @lsjamison and check her website lesliejamison.com, where you can learn more about the many incredible books she's written, and decide which you want to read FIRST (if you haven't devoured them all already, like I have.) 

You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok @elykreimendahl, and the pod on Twitter and Instagram @podshamespiral, where I'm regularly posting fun video clips of especially juicy or hilarious moments from the episodes.  

Audio Engineer/Editor: Sarah Gabrielli (check out her amazing podcast about the last lesbian bars in America @cruisingpod on Instagram and TikTok and listen here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cruising-a-lesbian-bar-road-trip/id1585850925

Original Music: Shadwick Wilde, Instagram and Twitter: @shadwickwilde

Cover Art: Cassidy Kulhanek, Instagram, Twitter and TikTok: @heavenlygrandpa

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