*Content Warning: This episode contains a discussion about suicide, which may be distressing to some listeners. Click here for resources.

In episode 70, Chris and Emma talk with Dr. Stacey Freedenthal, a suicidologist, therapist, author, and professor at the University of Denver. We discuss the deeply important but often stigmatized topic of suicide.

This is part one of a two-part series that explores the intersection of suicide and Dabrowski’s theory of positive disintegration, offering listeners tools for empathy and connection in the face of despair.

Stacey shares her personal journey with suicidality, the experiences that led her to dedicate her career to this work, and the insights she’s gained through her research, teaching, and practice.

Together, we explore the stigma surrounding suicidal thoughts, the ways people can hide their pain, and how well-intentioned responses often fall short. Stacey emphasizes the need for what she calls “brave listening”—creating a safe space for honest conversations without judgment or quick fixes. Chris and Emma also reflect on their own experiences and share perspectives on navigating these tough but crucial discussions.

Resources from this episode

Speaking of Suicide

StaceyFreedenthal.com

Helping the Suicidal Person: Tips and Techniques for Professionals (book for professionals)

Loving Someone with Suicidal Thoughts: What Family, Friends, and Partners Can Say and Do (book for laypeople)

A Suicide Therapist’s Secret Past (NY Times article mentioned, behind paywall. Click for PDF)

Stacey mentioned the following image from her book’s cover.

We mentioned Episode 8: Surviving Disintegration

Thomas Joiner’s Interpersonal Theory of Suicide (Wikipedia)

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