In the latest episode of The Line Podcast, recorded (at great risk) a day early on June 12, 2025, Matt and Jen admit they tempted fate. They had to record on Thursday evening due to travel — and even predicted that a war in the Middle East would probably break out while they were offline.

So ... yeah. That happened. And no, they don’t talk about it. But the streak of wild things happening whenever we record early gets extended once more.

What they do talk about is the state of federal politics, the upcoming G7 summit, and Jen’s somewhat surreal experience registering as media for it — an episode in Canadian bureaucratic dysfunction that somehow perfectly encapsulates why Canada no governing good.

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Next, a defence update. There’s good news: they’re genuinely pleased Canada is (finally) hitting the 2% NATO target. But Matt recaps the key points from his On The Line interview with Christian Leuprecht — the 2% goal gets us back to where we promised to be over a decade ago. It doesn’t build the military we need for the world we now live in. Whether Carney has the political will to take the next step is the big question. Also: Jen and Matt invent a cursed, unpronounceable new military acronym. You’re welcome, DND.

Finally, they respond to Andrew Potter’s latest column on harm reduction. The conversation broadens into a deeper critique of how small-l liberals — not Liberal party partisans, but moderates writ large — lost the courage to say no to bad ideas, including widely unpopular ones. When the political centre abandons tough decisions, those decisions still get made — just not by the people you’d want making them. And those people get the credit, too.

All that, and more, in the latest episode of The Line Podcast. Like and subscribe at ReadTheLine.ca, or find us on your favourite podcast app so you never miss an episode. If you’re enjoying the show, share it with a friend, post about it online, or shout your favourite bureaucratic acronym into the sea. We’ll hear you.