Debbie Millman sits down with Ashley Spence, founder of the DNA Justice Project, to discuss a critical gap in our justice system—the widespread failure to collect “lawfully owed DNA” from people arrested or convicted of serious crimes. By some estimates, millions of DNA samples are missing from DNA databases, making it harder for authorities to identify perpetrators and bring justice to survivors. After experiencing a brutal assault, Ashley witnessed the power of DNA to obtain justice in her own case and became a leading voice for DNA advocacy. In this episode, she shares her story of resilience and her mission to end this systemic neglect.