If you’ve ever wondered how to show up for clients when you’re scraping the bottom of your own energy barrel, this episode’s going to hit home. Nicolle Mitchell opens up about what actually shifts the quality of care for people living with dementia—not just fancy hands-on techniques, but the real, relational groundwork: slowing down, truly attuning, and making consent a living, breathing part of every interaction. 

The biggest takeaway? Sustainable, nervous system-aligned practice isn’t about doing more, it’s about carving out genuine space for connection, boundaries, and curiosity. And honestly, that’s what lets you stay present without burning out (even if the work gets heavy). This episode is full of real tools and permission to check in with yourself, not just your clients—so you can keep showing up, in a way that actually feels good.

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If you’re a massage therapist who wants your practice to feel sustainable again, the Sustainable Bodyworker Membership is where we go deeper. Inside you’ll find practical tools, honest conversations, and support for building a practice that actually works for your body and your life. Click here to learn more and join us.

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If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

Ever reach that point where you’re “successful” on paper but inside you’re just—done? Like your body and brain are screaming for something new, but letting go of what you built feels impossible (and maybe a little bit like failure)? That’s the real talk Gretchen Popp and Alyse Faith get into here. Both have ridden the rollercoaster of growing a busy practice, hitting all those external markers of success…and then realizing the relentless hustle was grinding them down. This conversation isn’t about perfect business plans. It’s about listening when your nervous system shuts down the old ways—letting things fall apart, sitting in that awkward, stripped-down middle space, and trusting that the next idea (the one that actually lights you up) needs quiet and regulation, not more pushing.

You’ll hear Gretchen unpack her own identity crisis after stepping away from clinic ownership—and what it actually took to create something from genuine inspiration instead of hustle high. If you’re in that messy transition—gutting your business, questioning all your “shoulds,” or finally ready to build around your actual needs instead of everyone else’s—this episode gives you real-world proof that your weird, winding path is part of the process. The seeds you plant in those uncertain seasons can grow way bigger than you think… if you’re willing to listen, slow down, and let go.

If you’d like to explore more of Alyse’s work, click here, or follow her on TikTok! Also check out her shop The Cozy Coven on Instagram and be sure to stop by whenever you’re in Sleepy Hollow!

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If you’re a massage therapist who wants your practice to feel sustainable again, the Sustainable Bodyworker Membership is where we go deeper. Inside you’ll find practical tools, honest conversations, and support for building a practice that actually works for your body and your life. Click here to learn more and join us.

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We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

Ever caught yourself wondering if you’re even cut out for this work anymore—especially when that sense of passion starts to feel more like a trap than a fire? This conversation cuts right to the core of what so many massage therapists go through: you follow your joy, master a skill, maybe even get “successful,” and then wake up one day exhausted, disconnected, or not even sure if you want what you’ve built. Gretchen shares her own story of building a thriving clinic, only to realize she was burnt out and headed in a direction she never meant to go. She and Nathan Nordstrom get honest about the pivots it takes to build a truly sustainable career, the danger of mixing up your identity with your work, and why “passion” isn’t a straight line (thank goodness).

If you’re the type who can’t help but chase new ideas or is forever pushing yourself to be “better,” you’ll appreciate the gentle nudge to slow down, get curious when you hit a wall, and see setbacks as feedback instead of failure. There’s a lot here on nervous system-friendly ways to audit your practice and set boundaries—plus, permission to find joy and stability beyond just cranking out more massages. If you’re spun out or craving more meaning, this one gives you some breathing room, a little perspective, and maybe a fresh place to start.

To work with Nathan, reach out through his website Educated Touch, or reach out to him directly at [email protected]

Be sure to stay tuned in for the release of his book “When Your Passion is Your Profession!”

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Founder’s pricing for The Sustainable Bodyworker Membership is open until March 8th (lowest rate, locked in while you’re a member). Founder members also get a 90-day framework workshop in mid-March, and you can book a 1:1 call with me as soon as you join to map your best first steps. Click here to join!

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We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

🌿 A conversation about bodywork burnout that goes deeper than food choices, willpower, or “doing better.”

In this solo episode, Gretchen responds to a charged conversation in the massage therapy world around practitioner health, weight, and burnout — and reframes it through a lens of nervous system regulation, systemic pressure, and subconscious self-abandonment.

Drawing from her own lived experience with chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, autoimmune issues, and early-career overwork in high-volume clinics, Gretchen unpacks why so many bodyworkers end up exhausted, inflamed, and disconnected from their own bodies — even though they know exactly what health should look like.

This episode explores how caregiving professions quietly reward self-sacrifice, how survival-mode habits like sugar and caffeine are adaptations (not failures), and why awareness alone rarely creates lasting change. Gretchen shares why prioritizing self-care first isn’t indulgent or selfish, but essential — especially for practitioners who hold space for others all day long.

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🌱 Gretchen also shares how stabilizing her income allowed her to work fewer clients, rest more, nourish herself better, and access the care her body actually needed — and why sustainability in this profession requires both internal rewiring and external support.

🤍 This episode is for massage therapists and bodyworkers who feel tired of blaming themselves, who want to take better care of their bodies without perfectionism, and who are ready to build a career that doesn’t cost them their health.

✨ If this conversation resonates, Gretchen offers deeper support inside the Sustainable Bodyworker membership — including CE-approved classes on nutrition and sustainable self-care, plus a growing hypnotherapy library designed specifically for bodyworkers.

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Founder’s pricing for The Sustainable Bodyworker Membership is open until March 8th (lowest rate, locked in while you’re a member). Founder members also get a 90-day framework workshop in mid-March, and you can book a 1:1 call with me as soon as you join to map your best first steps. Click here to join!

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We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

Ever find yourself completely wiped out, hustling through the admin, laundry, marketing—all the not-so-glamorous parts of running a bodywork practice—while your actual passion feels buried under a pile of “shoulds”? This episode felt like a permission slip to see your business as a living, breathing thing—not just a machine you’re supposed to keep running at all costs. I loved Daniela’s take on bringing permaculture and farming principles into the way we care for ourselves and our work; honestly, it’s such a relief to think about business growth as messy, seasonal, and cyclical, instead of linear and relentless.

If you’ve ever struggled with productivity guilt or felt bad about letting an old offering die out, this conversation unpacks why letting things compost—whether it’s a service, a habit, or even a whole version of your business—isn’t just okay, but vital. Sometimes rest, observation, and small slow shifts do more to nourish your practice (and your nervous system) than any grand rebrand or marketing sprint. The big mindset shift here? Trusting yourself and your cycles enough to step back, notice what’s really feeding you, and let go of what isn’t—even if that means unlearning a whole lot of business advice along the way.

Click here to explore more of Danielas work!

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Founder’s pricing for The Sustainable Bodyworker Membership is open until March 8th (lowest rate, locked in while you’re a member). Founder members also get a 90-day framework workshop in mid-March, and you can book a 1:1 call with me as soon as you join to map your best first steps. Click here to join!

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We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

✨ What if charging your worth isn’t about money at all, but about reciprocity, nervous system safety, and the longevity of your career?

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In this solo episode, Gretchen reflects on an “aha” moment that connected relationships, boundaries, and pricing in a way she hadn’t fully articulated before. She explores why energy imbalances, especially around money, quietly erode our capacity to show up fully, even when we’re deeply committed to doing good work.

Drawing from lived experience in clinical practice, sliding scale experiments, and years of mentoring bodyworkers, Gretchen unpacks the difference between generosity that comes from overflow and self-sacrifice that leads to burnout. She names the uncomfortable truths many practitioners sense but are afraid to say out loud, and offers a grounded reframe for raising prices without guilt, shame, or fear of becoming “unethical.”

This episode is for the bodyworker who feels overbooked and underpaid, underbooked and undervalued, or caught between wanting to be accessible and needing to be sustainable.

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If this conversation stirs something in you, relief, resistance, or curiosity, that’s not an accident. It’s information. And it might be pointing toward a different way of practicing that supports both your clients and your body.

For deeper support around pricing, boundaries, and building a nervous system-aligned practice, Gretchen shares more inside the Sustainable Bodyworker community: a space for practitioners who want their work to feel as good for them as it does for their clients.

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Founder’s pricing for The Sustainable Bodyworker Membership is open until March 8th (lowest rate, locked in while you’re a member). Founder members also get a 90-day framework workshop in mid-March, and you can book a 1:1 call with me as soon as you join to map your best first steps. Click here to join! 

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Affiliate Links: 

We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

Burnout isn’t proof you’re failing. It’s a distress signal — and the panic, resentment, and “I can’t keep doing this” moments aren’t meant to be bypassed. They’re information. In this Season 2 opener, I’m naming the old stories that keep bodyworkers trapped, and sharing a new way to build a career that’s actually sustainable for you — your body, your nervous system, your values, your life.

In this episode:

Why “sustainable” is personal — not one proven system

The old stories keeping therapists chained to the table (and why they feel so real)

Why “I know what to do but I can’t do it” is biology, not a character flaw

The 4 keystones: freedom-generating revenue, purpose + meaning, nervous system capacity, and community

3 actions to take this week (plus a bonus):

Highlighter Audit: Identify your green/yellow/red clients and start a plan to discontinue the reds.

Do the math: Your real life needs + your sustainable hands-on capacity.

Name the signal: “This is information.” “This is my signal.”

Want support + structure?

Founder’s pricing for The Sustainable Bodyworker Membership is open until March 8th (lowest rate, locked in while you’re a member). Founder members also get a 90-day framework workshop in mid-March, and you can book a 1:1 call with me as soon as you join to map your best first steps. Click here to join! 

Affiliate Links: 

We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

Click HERE to join us in our Sustainable Bodyworker Bingo Challenge for 2026! 

So many of us set big resolutions and think, “this year, I’ll finally stick with self-care”... only to get steamrolled by old patterns, client demands, or that sneaky voice insisting five seconds of breathwork doesn’t “count.” We get it—and we’ve done more than our share of Monday-morning resets, chasing motivation until burnout finally called our bluffs. The real shift? Ditching the all-or-nothing mindset and actually embracing what nervous-system regulation looks like: tiny, doable actions that build self-trust, not shame.

This episode isn’t about overhauling your life or getting “perfect.” Instead, Gretchen and Kelsy put real talk behind January’s Sustainable Self-Care Bingo challenge—micro habits that can fit into the messiest seasons, even if you’re running on fumes. These aren’t silver bullets, but think of them as proof that the smallest boundaries, the shortest moments of presence, and the quietest acts of kindness toward yourself are enough to start rewiring your brain and your workday. It’s not about smashing the overwhelm in January—it’s about making space for the kind of change you might actually keep.

Get your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen HERE!

Affiliate Links: 

We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

Who am I to raise my prices, teach a class, or even call myself an expert? If those thoughts have ever circled your mind louder than clients on a Friday night waitlist, you’re not alone—Gretchen lays it all bare in this episode. She shares the very real, not-so-glamorous side of growing beyond what you ever thought possible (and what happens when a “You’ll never make any money doing that” moment from your past tries to call the shots years later). Instead of hustling for confidence or waiting for the imposter feelings to disappear, Gretchen offers simple, nervous-system friendly shifts: name what’s happening, zoom out beyond your inner critic, and take one tiny action—because real confidence is built, not inherited.

Whether imposter syndrome has you procrastinating, scrolling, or losing sleep, you’ll hear reminders that you are not broken and you don’t need to “think positive” your way out of growth. Sometimes, the fact that your brain is screaming may just mean you’re on the very edge of something meaningful.

Affiliate Links: 

We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!

If you’re still wondering why your hands and shoulders ache after every deep tissue session—no matter how precisely you “fix” your body mechanics—it’s not because you’re doing something wrong. This conversation with Jim Funk and Kelsy Filler goes straight to the heart of what so many of us never heard in massage school: the mythical “low table, squat all day” advice isn’t actually the answer for longevity.

Jim Funk breaks down how he had to unlearn years of pain and “muscling through” (sound familiar?), and take a totally different approach with his forearm fusion work—one that actually leaves you with energy at the end of the day. The raw honesty about burnout, sneaky patterns of overgiving, and the constant practice of boundary-setting feels like a relief. If you need permission to work smarter, not harder—and to stop sacrificing your body for your clients—this one will hit home.

To attend Jim’s Forearm Fusion course, click HERE, or come see what CE classes are being held at The Academy of Massage Therapy & Bodywork HERE. 

Get your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen HERE!

Affiliate Links: 

We’re careful about what we share here. Everything in this section is something we personally use and come back to again and again — tools that support our own bodies, nervous systems, and day-to-day work.

Bon Charge: Use code SUSTAINABLE for 15% off!

Swanwick Glasses: Use code GRETCHENPOPP for 10% off!

InHarmony Meditation Mats: Use code NEURO5 for 5% off!

Global Cupping: Use code NEURO for 20% off your first order!

If you’ve got a story, skill, or insight you think would help other bodyworkers, we’d love to hear from you — click here to apply to be a guest on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast.

The ideas and techniques shared by our guests on the Sustainable Bodyworker Podcast are their own unique perspectives and don’t necessarily reflect those of Gretchen Popp or the Sustainable Bodyworker team or community as a whole.

Click HERE for your FREE Mindset Shift hypnotherapy session with Gretchen!