Annie and Michael Hedgpeth, founders of People Work, join Kris and Matt to unpack the junior hiring crisis and what's really broken about how we grow engineers. Annie's viral blog post sparked debate about whether senior engineers have abandoned their responsibility to mentor and whether our obsession with career ladders created the problem. The conversation moves from systemic dysfunction to solutions: People Work, their local-first app that helps engineers manage professional relationships with a systems thinking approach.

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This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Annie and Michael stick around as the panel digs into why early career engineers rush to prove themselves, the trap of becoming "the glue person" instead of building technical depth, and why your strength as a junior is that you don't know anything yet. The panel also discusses some spicy topics like why software engineers spew logical fallacies, and the future of computing as hardware gains slow down. They round out the episode with some Unpopular Opinions. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/25.

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Table of Contents:

• Prologue (00:00:00)
• Chapter 1: Meet Annie & Michael Hedgpeth (00:00:49)
• Chapter 2: The Junior Hiring Crisis (00:01:15)
• Chapter 3: AI as an Amplifier (00:10:37)
• Chapter 4: The Broken Apprenticeship Model (00:12:05)
• Chapter 5: Scaling Yourself Through Others (00:20:00)
• Chapter 6: Kris Never Had a Mentor [Preview] (00:25:59)
• Chapter 7: Too Many Titles [Preview] (00:26:14)
• Chapter 10: Relational Intelligence [Preview] (00:26:33)
• Chapter 12: Why Engineers? [Preview] (00:27:04)
• Chapter 13: Privacy & Safe Spaces [Preview] (00:27:36)
• Chapter 14: AI Strategy & On-Device [Preview] (00:28:06)
• Chapter 15: Swift + Rust + Crux [Preview] (00:28:34)
• Chapter 8: Networking That Actually Works (00:29:17)
• Chapter 9: What is People Work? (00:33:56)
• Chapter 11: The Onboarding Use Case (00:43:18)
• Chapter 16: Data Ownership & The DSL (00:48:16)
• Epilogue (00:52:25)

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• (00:00) - Prologue