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Thursday Meditation #3 “What if we are sinless and eternal? What if that’s what we learn when we die? What if we could learn it before we die? How free would you be? What could you let go of? How much more could you love and be loved?
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I've quit many addictive compulsive behaviors in my life. Including drinking, drugging, and gambling. And I definitely had a case of workaholism. And these days as I build an online business...on my days of weakness where I think, "if I could just work more". I'm like, “Yeah. No. You can't."
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:01 There's a line in the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous that says "seemingly he couldn't drink again, even if he wanted to". Now, in other words, a person that had been crippled with alcoholism and not being able to stop drinking, and it was physically killing him and destroying his relationships. And, uh, he embraces the program, the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous and, you know, ends up where seemingly he couldn't drink again, even if he wanted to. And I'm going to relate that to working a lot. Seemingly I couldn't work again a lot, even if I wanted to. And we could say call that alcohol, uh, workaholism. So, uh, you know, I've had an opportunity in my life to clean up lots of, uh, addictive compulsive behaviors. So quit drinking. Um, a long time ago, decades ago, 35 years ago, as of this recording and I am not here representing Alcoholics Anonymous.
Mischa Z: 01:34 So let's just get that clear. Um, I also got to quit drugs. I also got to quit gambling and I definitely had a case of yeah, workaholism. I think you could call it a workaholism when I was in sales, you know, my quest for success, financial success for, you know, notoriety you with, with it being number one, within whatever company I was in. Um, perhaps I worked an inordinate amount inordinate, too much. How's that to the detriment of family, to the detriment of relationships, to the detriment of, um, my physical health, maybe. Um, definitely. Uh, but, and I'm not saying anybody should or should not want to work that much or. Hey, somebody is so inspired to work, create whatever, you know, I'm not here to judge that or say what that amount is. I will say that, you know, the pattern I was in with work needing to achieve, needing to make X amount of money needing to, uh, do these kinds of things I would throw surfing in there as well.
Mischa Z: 03:26 Um, but anyway, um, it was interesting because as I think about it, and as I record this, I was really good about taking weekends off work-wise I was really good about, um, not bringing the work home. It's just, I would leave really early in the morning and, uh, perhaps, you know, get home. I tried not to, to, to work 18 hour days, let's say it definitely. Some people will absolutely work from home work on the weekends or these sorts of things. I'm dating myself as well because not many of us were working from home as much as we are today. And the recent COVID pandemic has escalated that.
Mischa Z: 04:23 But I mean to say, is that when I'm done working, I'm done working, but my routine had become this. I would, I would, you know, exit the house very early, so I could surf and maybe that's six in the morning surfing and then work for the two priorities and, and, you know, I would, so what would happen? And then on the weekends, it was all about surfing and Mischa time. And, and then, you know, I, I was working so much in producing so much in having success that I started putting on realistic expectations on Dawn, my wife, you know. I'm the producer and this sort of arrogant attitude look what I'm doing for the house, paying the bills. Therefore I don't need to provide perhaps other emotional support and stuff like that. I dunno. It's very interesting. Uh, just, just know that, you know. That drive for being number one that drive for ultimate success that drive for making a lot of money. You know, especially when I was in mortgages was there, I wanted to be number one at Wells Fargo. I wanted
Speaker 2: 05:57 that notoriety and the financial fulfillment of that. And so then, you know, it came to quitting the mortgage business and staying home with my two boys being a stay at home ish dad. So I did that back in 2016. I think it was when I finally quit mortgages. Um, maybe it was 2017. I've sort of lost track. I need to figure out that exact timeline. I think it was 2016. It's definitely, yeah, it must be five years by now, again, as I record this. But as I'm in the 2CCX, as I'm creating these online, working on creating an online business and doing all this stuff. I, I couldn't put in 12 hour days seemingly if I wanted to. Like that lack of balance and the capacity to, to go out of balance has been stripped from me. I couldn't go back to workaholism seemingly even if I wanted to.
Speaker 2: 07:26 And sometimes, you know, the drive to have followers and do all this stuff and build this business and make it happen fast and all these things and the illusion of more time, more time spent will help accelerate that process. You know, I can, I can think that I want that, but I can't literally physically do it, which is pretty freaking cool. So on my days of weakness where I'm like, if I could just work more, I'm like, "yeah, no, you can't." I literally can't work more than the, you know what, as I've said before, I'm, I'm maybe putting in five or six hours, but it's good solid hours, but I seemingly couldn't do more even if I wanted to. So anyway, there you go. Um, love that, uh, I'm done have a good day peace out.
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More on Webster’s definition of Salvation. And thoughts from A Course In Miracles. . Am I willing to embrace new thoughts and concepts? Am I willing to see somebody differently? Or am I going to be contemptuous and stubborn in my thought process? The more I can see people as simply good and spirit and part of the infinite mind... Then the side benefit of that is I get to see that in myself and my concept of myself changes.
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:05 A Course In Miracles, the final vision chapter 31, section seven, the Savior's vision part two. Part one I was rolling so good that it ended up, um, taking me a good 10 minutes. So quick salvation 1). a. Deliverance from the power and the effects of sin. B: the agent, or means that affect salvation. See Christian science: the realization of the supremacy of infinite mind over all bringing with it, the destruction of the illusion of sin sickness and death. And that's capital I infant capital and mind implication God. Two: Liberation from ignorance or illusion. 3. A. A preservation from destruction or, or failure. 3 B deliverance from danger or difficulty.
Mischa Z: 01:16 And here is... I'm going to paraphrase sentence 3.3. By focusing on the good in the people around us, or perhaps that we see the body grows decreasingly...The body grows decreasingly persistent in your sight and will at length be seen as little more than just a shadow circling around the good. By focusing upon the good in your brother, your neighbor, your sister, a politician, you don't like, um, whoever insert person there, the body grows decreasingly, decreasingly persistent in your sight. And will it length be seen as little more than just a shadow circling around the good. And I love that concept. So, um, people that perhaps I run into all the time or a loved one or a, an enemy, if I can focus on the good, we'll start to see more of the God within them, their spirit, and I'll be less fixated on their body and the illusion that they're their body.
Mischa Z: 02:44 And I guess we're all going to need to take the leap that, um, we're more than our bodies and people who are listening. Hopefully you're like, yeah, I'm tired of seeing people just as, as a physical thing. Like I want to stop judging. I want to grow past judging, grow past, you know, resentment. Um, and I believe judgment judging good or bad, I would say or good. Cause it's easy to be like I judge good. Well, judging is judging. Um, the judgment could be perhaps low grade resentment. Oftentimes anyhow, like we want to see people as beautiful spirit. Whether you believe that we're souls are all one spirit. Just a little knock of the one spirit. Um, have faith in the person who is next to us or who we see, this is a sentence five.one so that your fearful concept of yourself may change. And so that's the next thing is if we can see people the good in people, and this is, I like this for me, right? This could be a different experience for you, but the more I can see people as just good and spirit and part of the infinite mind. Um, then I, the side benefit of that is I get to see that in myself and my concept of myself changes.
Mischa Z: 04:29 Here's the kicker and all five sentence five by three. And all this shift requires that you be willing that this happy change occur no more than this. As asked all that this shift requires it is that you be willing that this happy change occur. And I am more and more seeing like there's all these thoughts and concepts that can be good, that are good and liberating and, and challenge my thinking of the norm. And challenge my illusions of what I think are important. And am I willing to embrace new thoughts and concepts and I willing to see this happy, or am I willing to, let's say, and all this shift requires is that you'd be willing that this happy change occur. Yeah. So am I willing, are you willing? I think that's such a great question. And so many circumstances, am I willing to see somebody differently?
Mischa Z: 05:42 So great question again, it's easy to point to politicians, although the politics seems to be really, but nine right now. So maybe I could point to something else, but I think you get what I'm saying. If there's, you know, a place or thing out there, am I willing to see them differently or am I going to be contemptuous and stubborn in my thought process? And um, so great question. Here's the next. I give my next point that I love from this section of A Course In Miracles. I give my concept of myself to God that I may offer peace. So I've got this concept of myself that oftentimes can be diluted or is, you know, there's this whole meaning of life thing and all this stuff that I get to embrace more as they get older and, and, and things. Um, and am I willing to release the concept of myself? Just be like, you know what, and it goes on to, to, to, to, to say like, it's this concept of ourselves that we put between ourselves and the people that we see. And so can I let go of that concept of myself, give it to God or whatever you want to call it, just be free of it so that I can look on everything that I see, everyone that I come across brand new without judgment, not painted by what I think. I know.
Mischa Z: 07:32 So it goes on here. Sentence 13.4. It cannot judge me. I cannot judge because I, I do not know. And recognizing this, I merely asked what is the meaning of what I behold, I love that I'm going to try that. What is the meaning of what I behold? So as I walk out today, I'm about to go shopping at trader Joe's and a couple other spots. I'll probably swing by target perhaps, but, um, I need to get some ibuprofen ibuprofen. My two jars that I bought at Kirkland 10 years ago are finally are finally used up. But anyway, you know, I'm going to bump into people and how I perceive myself, my age, my maleness, my singleness, my dadness my, all this stuff. Right? All these things. What if I was free of all that? And I could just see somebody and be like, what, what is it?
Mischa Z: 08:47 What is the meaning of what I behold? So interesting. Interesting. Um, question. And I wrote down, I give the concept of myself to you, God, because I'm going to play with this idea and hopefully I'll play with this and report back a couple other quick sentences. What is temptation, but the wish to stay in hell and misery. Think about that one. That's a good one. What is temptation? But the wish to stay in hell and misery sentence, a paragraph 10 sentence, one paragraph 11, sentence five. This is the Savior's vision that I see my innocence and all I look upon and see my own salvation everywhere. Next sentence. I hold no concept of myself, between my calm and open eyes and what I see. I bring the light to what I look upon that I may see it as it really is. Then the next sentence, 13.4. I cannot judge because it does not. It cannot judge because it does not know any me and lessons and recognizing this, it merely asks what is the meaning of what I behold. I'm going to go try and do that. Be free of judgment. Not know and ask what is, what am I looking at here? God. All right. Love that everybody have a good day. Okay.
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I go ahead and give Webster Dictionary’s definition of "Salvation", which is super juicy and leads to great conversation. Do Christian Scientists avoid the doctor because they believe god is going to cure them? Or is it something more alluring? And I leave you with a question.
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:02 Today's A Course In Miracles was super juicy. Got my mind going so much. So of course, in miracles, chapter 31, the final vision, section seven, the Savior's vision, it's actually on page 662 on the book that I have. And, uh, A Course In Miracles, combined volume. So I have never been a church guy in, um, through my life when I was a kid, I went to church a couple of times that. I, I I'm telling you the story because of the contempt or the judgment or the, yeah. The contempt that comes up when I hear certain words. And, uh, because the ego is strong in me. And, um, when I talk about this stuff, this is not to knock anybody who loves church and, you know, loves whatever. How God is being, uh, you know, however God's manifesting through their church. Awesome. I tend to go to recovery meetings to find connection to source and stuff like that.
Mischa Z: 01:39 And I know a lot of people in recovery also go to church and stuff like that. So anyway, I probably didn't even need to talk about all of that, but just know that I've never been a church guy too much contempt. The dogma freaks me out. And, um, I'm sure the dogma of the recovery groups that I go to freaks other people out as well. So we're all leaning into our own dogma, but like the word savior, for example, historically, that would, you know, uh, would, uh, shut my mind down. I'd be like, savior heck with that, save your, shave your savior. But now the fact that I can say it on this podcast and that I can read content that has that word in it that's growth for me, perhaps the next time, I won't need to say this disclaimer, which would be ultimate growth.
Mischa Z: 02:52 This section talks about salvation and judgment, a bunch and salvation as, so it's such an interesting concept. When I hear that salvation, it susses out that contempt in me, um, it shines that light of contempt on me. And honestly, I don't even really know where it came from or manifested from. Like I didn't really ever have a bad experience in church growing up. I, my parents definitely were not church goers. As in my youth. I went to church a couple of times with various friends. And I never really gripped me enough that I wanted to go back, but I did like the, the fellowship and, and such so anyhow salvation. So I was like, let's look up the word salvation as according to, to Webster. And the point of this is like, do I want salvation or don't I would, I rather hold the word salvation in contempt, therefore I don't want salvation or is salvation something to be wanted.
Mischa Z: 04:16 So I went ahead and looked up salvation and Webster and definition two as what I'm going to start with because that's, I think you'll see that heck yes, I want salvation. I do. When I read number two. Liberation from ignorance or illusion. At this point in my life, I do want liberation from ignorance or illusion and/or illusion. Back in the day I did , I liked the illusions that I embraced and they served me. I liked the ignorance. Ignorance has definitely been bliss, blessed in my life over the years. However, when the veil of ignorance can be cracked, then you're kind of hosed. So yes, indeed. I do want ignorant. Uh, I do want, uh, salvation, according to definition, Webster two: liberation from ignorance or illusion. Number three, definition, three, a preservation from destruction or failure preservation from destruction or failure. Well, of course I might want some salvation there, deliverance from danger or difficulty deliverance from danger or difficulty. Let's go with 1) a. This is where it starts to get a little wonky for me. Deliverance from the power and the effects of sin. Now, historically, that definitely would have been a, uh, my mind would've started to shut down a little bit close off to these ideas. But today I love this idea deliverance from the power and effects of sin.
Mischa Z: 06:24 And yeah, I would like that. I like the idea that there is no saying that that is an illusion and, and some of the things that come with that. One B the agent, or means that affect salvation, or it could be effects the agent, or means that affect salvation. C 1) c., I kind of like this one, Christian science: the realization of the supremacy of capital. I infinite capital M mind over all bringing with it, the destruction of the illusion of sin sickness and death. The realization of the supremacy of infinite mind over all bringing with it, the destruction of the illusion of sin sickness and death.
Mischa Z: 07:26 And if we believe we are our bodies, I am my body. The body is the be all end, all of my existence, which may or may not be true. But if I hold strong to that, then I am going to believe in sickness because sickness ultimately, and death ends the body. And I, I, this is what comes to mind when I think of Christian science and it, and that this definition gives me a new appreciation of Christian Scientists. And that's that I, but if I, and I'm talking a bit out of ignorance here, but from what I understand, a Christian Scientists, they are not big into traditional Western medicine. Like if they get sick cancer or some such thing, from what I understand, a Christian Scientist would pray or do these things and, and would avoid say getting treatment for cancer. Now, when I hear people talk about that, somebody who's not a Christian Scientist, and they hear somebody say that they say a Christian scientist naive really believes that if they get cancer, they turn to God. They pray to God. And they believe that God will heal their sickness like the physical sickness, the cancer itself. And I would challenge that line of thinking that a Christian scientist says, Hey, I'm not my body. And that I'm much more in that. I'm part of this. What is it, uh, this, um, infinite mind.
Mischa Z: 09:22 And so there's no need to heal from the sickness because this blip of time that we're represented by a body is an illusion. So there's no need to, like, I don't care if I die in other words, or I'll trust in God that if the cancer is meant to go away, it'll go away. If the cancer is meant to, end the usefulness of my body on this planet. So be it. And I love that thought. I love the thought of being so convicted that there's more going on than just our bodies that you're like, yeah, it's all good. Like there's no need to stress about the sickness or the short-term illusory pain that I'm going to feel.
Mischa Z: 10:13 Cause I'm more than my body. I'm part of the infinite mind. So sin sickness and death are an illusion. I'm not going to be die. I'm just going to be perhaps liberated from this current way that I relate to the planet. I believe that, um, I'm not going to get a talk about judgment. I'll have to save that for the next episode, because I think that I hit a good, um, at least eight to 10 minutes, love to all. And, uh, I'm down for salvation. What I'm trying to tell you is today I choose. Yes. Salvation sounds good. Why not? And I ask you, are you willing to embrace the concept of salvation? Peace out, have a good day.
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We are encouraged to make offers so I'm making an offer. The Time I almost bought that shiny black Cayenne Turbo. And I'm having fun playing with the email tech. Not sure how this episode is of service…other than “be consistent and publish and learn”. But that’s enough.
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:01 Walking recording with my shirt and V 88, Mike, go buy it off of my resource page. www.Belove.media/resources. I've got all sorts of other cool stuff. There. Books, podcast tech, I'm going to be building it out with more things in the future stuff that helps me thrive in life. That was not the purpose of this episode. However, we're encouraged to make offers, make an offer. So there you go. I'm making you an offer. Enjoy these episodes that I put out, learn with me, grow with me, laugh with me, but at the same time, go by the fun toys that I'm telling you about. So if you haven't bought, purchased the Shure MV88 mic yet, go purchase it. Now um, oh my gosh. I'm having, it's fun. Getting back on track. I believe a few episodes ago, perhaps three or four, I was talking about how it was getting back on track.
Mischa Z: 01:10 Um, I'd gone camping. My brother had been to town and, and, um, I was pretty blown out after the summit. So I was, I was having a hard time finding focus in the moment and it starting to fall back in place one day at a time as I do the next indicated step. So I've got an email list that came from, uh, the summit. And some of you listeners may be part of that email list if you are. Hello. So glad to have you on board. Thank you for listening and partaking and being on this awesome journey with me. And you can also send me an email anytime at [email protected]. Say hi, check in, ask me questions, tell me what you like, what you don't like, whatever. Oh, go leave me a five-star review on the apple podcast. Anyhow. So I'm, I am, uh, tasked to email my list.
Mischa Z: 02:24 And one of the programs that can automate that it's called Active Campaign and you can do all of these super cool flows. So as people log into the summit and register, they enter one flow and then if they buy the VIP, they're pushed over to another flow. And then if you, you know, do this, you're pushed over to another flow. And ultimately I want you in the nurture campaign flow and where I can add value to your life and sell you things and we can interact and all this fun stuff. And I'd hired Andrea, Andrea, Peer, you can Google her Facebook her. She's super gifted at what she does. She was the tech who, who helped me build out the summit. Andrea, if you're listening, love you, thank you so much for being part of my team and helping me. Um, but she had... Porsche Cayenne just went by.
Mischa Z: 03:40 I had to pause it because he was very excited to get around that corner and stomp on it as he went by. I might too, if I had a shiny black Cayenne, which reminds me of a funny story, I almost did buy a shiny black cayenne turbo back in the day. This is about eight years ago, nine years ago. I don't know. I, I, I, I've never been a super big car guy and God bless you. If you are. Some people love their cars. I've been more of having fun with my house. I'm more of a house guy, which I think I learned from my dad, but I was buying that Cayenne Turbo, which is a ridiculously cool car. And for whatever reason, I was going to lease it. And, uh, we worked it out and have the payment and this and that. And the deal was pretty much done and I was happy with everything. And then they went and pulled my credit and my credit score wasn't, at the time, quite good enough to qualify for the amazing payment.
Mischa Z: 05:01 So the deal fell apart. I came back to my census and it was like, I don't need a Porsche Cayenne. And again, if you have one, God bless you. If you have love your cars, love them. I had, uh, I've had some, whatever. Anyway, distracted. Now I barely ever drive. So I have a Ford, like a 2001, a pick em up truck, my son Waylon. I had that nice Mazda CX9 instead of buying the Porsche Cayenne. And I bought the, the CX9 with all the trimmings, and, all the fun stuff, the nav, all the goodies. And, uh, a year or so ago, my son was like, "I want the shiny car". And I was like, you know what? You can have the shiny car. I'll take the raggedy old truck
Speaker 2: 05:58 So Waylon has the shiny car I have the raggedy old truck and, oh, it just makes me think of home Jackson, Wyoming, my roots. Such a weird thing. Anyhow, thank you for the diversion. So Active Campaign, I'm finally catching up enough where I can play with Active Campaign myself, and it's taken me a while to get to this point, but here's the point. Um, I have people in the nurture flow and when somebody new...cause randomly people are coming into the summit. And still. And the summit is evergreen, which means people can still register for the Tools For A Good Life Summit, go check it out. If you haven't registered and watched any of the speakers. And then they, you can, you can, anybody who does that today, they get into the, into the evergreen flow, which is isn't an email flow, which, you know, releases the speakers day one day, two day three, cetera.
Speaker 2: 07:15 They get 120 hours of free access to the, to the non VIP, um, interviews and all that. But after that, they, I needed the, the tag to get them into the nurture campaign. And, and I actually figured it out today and it felt so good. And that is part of the tech that I love playing with. So I love the email follow-up systems and all that kind of stuff. It's just so cool how you can do all that. And you know, the toys and the tech to do that now or so awesome. And visually they're super cool. And, you know, they show you that the, the flows and the trees and all that. And so I was able to, I'd had a couple of new people in the queue that were stuck in the evergreen queue. Sorry about the language. If you're not tracking me, but I needed to bump them over to the nurture path flow. And I quickly figured out how to add that tag, and it worked, and that's so fun and it's fun having fun, I guess that's my point. It's, um, I'm past a little bit of the overwhelm, still a slight overwhelm state, but having fun versus just like survival. Anyway, that's what I've got for you. Love to all have a great day. Go chase some dreams. Go try new things, learn new stuff. Take messy action. Um, get overwhelmed. Yeah. Life is good. Peace out.
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I had a really funny thought. Russell Brunson is my mentor and I've never met him. Who knows if I'll ever meet him. And, and he wouldn't be able to pluck me out of a picture or a crowd. Just like the people I used to make fun of. Who's mentor’s and guru's are over in India. They've never actually met them. And half of them have been dead for decades. Life is full of Irony now isn’t it?
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:02 This episode is about. Well, I had a really funny thought as I was listening to the Russell Brunson Marketing Secrets Podcast recently. And you know, I'm in Russell,Brunson's 2CCX coaching program. His high end coaching program. I am a click funnels member. So I use his software to host the funnels and the webpages. Many of the webpages that I have that are about me. And Russell Brunson in effect, I was thinking about it like, he's my mentor, right? He is my mentor Russell Brunson's my mentor. And I thought, that's the funniest gosh, darn thing, because I have never met him. Who knows if I'll ever meet him. And, and he wouldn't be able to pluck me out of a, out of a crowd or a picture. And I think that that is so funny and so weird and so abstract. Because I'm like, well, he kind of is my mentor, this illusory mentor.
Mischa Z: 01:41 And I had a, I had this guy Ken, who was a, my spiritual mentor for many years, 15, 16 years. And he finally passed away and Ken was my spiritual mentor. Mentor for free and, and, you know, very influential in my life. And one of the things he was telling me over the years was was, Hey, you should find a business mentor. You should find a business mentor. And, uh, oh, here comes the wind. This is going to be very windy. I need a wind screen for my phone. Oh, by the way, I'm walking through the Encinitas community park and now hitting the road. And I'm recording on my phone with my MV88 mic, which you should go by off of my resources page, www.belove.media/resources. But... I am the crazy one. I am the crazy guy talking into his phone.
Mischa Z: 02:55 I'm the crazy homeless guy today. And the Encinitas community park. As I record this, it's about 5:30 ish, but it is busy, busy with lots of families, lots of kids, lots of football programs, lots of little kids at the park, lots of kids playing soccer, all the stuff. lots of people walking their dogs. Plenty of opportunities for me to feel in secure design, walking and recording with my Shure, Shure. S H U R E MV88, mic, which you can go by off of the show notes of this podcast episode and you should buy it because it's an awesome toy and you can record whatever's high quality recordings of whatever's rattling through your melon. So there's two ideas back to the mentor thing. And Ken telling me, I should have a mentor and being I've been in recovery for a majority of my life.
Mischa Z: 04:12 What two-thirds of my life now, where the idea of mentorship is it's free. Um, you know, you, you, as, uh, as a recovery mentor, oftentimes it's, it's free and that 12 step programs and things so subconsciously or consciously, depending on any given moment, I've had an idea that it should be free. Now I did have a home loan mentor. Darren Riley love you, Darren, if you happened to be listening to this, Darren Riley taught me so much about home loans and was so influential and was a springboard for me for massive success and really how to do that business, right. And, and how to thrive. And, and all of these things. Now, I didn't literally pay him, but I worked for him for a couple of years. And he got, you know, a percentage of, of all the business that I did. And year one, it was a great deal for me, for me, because I took advantage of his knowledge and his, um, expertise and all that, and just was constantly, you know, taking advantage of that relationship.
Mischa Z: 05:43 And I say taking advantage of that, I mean, you know, utilizing that relationship in a good way. And so he was overworked and underpaid year one of the mentorship. And then you're too, when I was effectively, well up to speed and just cranking away, I was a very quick learner and, uh, many things came together for me at that time. Um, you know, he was, his shoulder started hurting from stacking the money. That's how I like to say that. So anyway, uh, years later, you know. Ken, You should get a business mentor as I was looking for new ventures. And so I had it in my idea, you know, for free. And then also that you've got to know the guy or gal you've got to know the person. And so it makes me think about the other funny thought was like, you'll hear people who talk about, oh, my guru, my guru, my guru.
Mischa Z: 06:52 And, and so you could say, oh, when was the last time you met your guru or, had coffee with them? Or talk to them? And they're like, oh, well, they're dead. You know, I talked to them in spirit or, well, I've never actually met them. They're, uh, they're Indian. And, you know, they're an avatar over in India or something like that. And so the way you're, you're oftentimes in those relationships, the way you're. It's a third party relationship, two or three degrees of separation. So either that, that spiritual person is dead. And so you're, you're getting to take advantage of that relationship by one of their, the dead person's old students, right? So that, that student, you know, is now teaching others. And by default, the dead guru is now the new students guru. Um, or, you know, you've got your Yogi who's over there in India.
Mischa Z: 08:02 And, uh, you know, he, he was a teacher to somebody. Somebody who is now in the states and, and mentoring new yoga people, or what have you. And so again, by two degrees, or is that one degree of separation, two degrees of separation, the person you've never met is now your mentor. And, oh my gosh, I used to think that was the funniest thing ever. And now, honestly, I don't know if I'm going to publish this episode because it's just such an abstract, weird concept for me. But Hey, I'm paying for a high-end coaching program. And, uh, so which is awesome, not complaining, super stoked about it.
Mischa Z: 08:54 Like it's been money well, well, well, well invested. And in hindsight, I would've taken advantage of high end coaching programs earlier in my life. Like really invested in myself in that regard. Um, but B it's two degrees of separation that Russell Brunson is my mentor. So one of Russell Brunson's coaches is my coach. His name is Vince Green. And Vince love you if you are happening to listen to this episode. But, uh, then says so good. And here's my, whatever it is, that one degree or two degrees of separation that Russell Brunson as my mentor. So funny life is good. Got to have fun, peace out.
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Ex NFL Player and CEO San Diego Rescue Mission Donnie Dee discusses service as a tool for a good life on the Tools For A Good Life Summit. Truly inspirational Donnie Dee is literally saving lives. Helping get homeless people off of the streets and back into a good life. Careful if you listen…you will want to volunteer.
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Transcript: 0:00:07.1 Mischa Z: Welcome back everybody to the Tools For A Good Life Summit and right now, I would like to introduce to you, Donnie Dee, President and CEO of the San Diego Rescue Mission. Welcome, Donnie.
0:00:23.1 Donnie Dee: Well, welcome to you. Thanks for having me.
0:00:25.4 Mischa Z: Indeed, indeed. And then before we get started here, I'm gonna read your bio really quick, if that's okay.
0:00:30.7 Donnie Dee: Absolutely.
0:00:31.6 Mischa Z: Alright, fantastic. Donnie Dee joined the San Diego Rescue Mission as President/CEO, mid-July, 2017. Anniversary is coming up or you just hit it?
0:00:43.3 Donnie Dee: This week, yeah. Today, as a matter of fact.
0:00:46.1 Mischa Z: Oh, wow.
0:00:46.6 Donnie Dee: Yeah, four years ago today.
0:00:48.5 Mischa Z: Oh, fantastic. Growing up in Kansas City, sports have always been important to Dee. He played football and basketball for Oak Park High School and was a four-year letterman in football at the University of Tulsa, graduating from there in 1988 with a business management degree. He was then drafted by the Indianapolis Colts and played in the NFL for two and a half years for the Colts and Seahawks. And then quick, was that an injury or you just... Go ahead.
0:01:22.5 Donnie Dee: I did finish with an injury. I actually played for another team but just never really felt right, and so, yeah, I would say it was an injury that ended my career.
0:01:32.4 Mischa Z: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And was that a heavy moment?
0:01:37.5 Donnie Dee: It was. You dream your whole life about playing a sport like that, and so for it to come down and you did not have a lot of control over how it ends is a little disappointing and a heavy thing to process. You play football your whole life and then for some of us, it just comes to an abrupt ending. It takes a little while to get used to.
0:01:56.2 Mischa Z: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm guessing, and we can get into this in a minute, but your faith was not only tested but enriched and really helped you through that time?
0:02:06.9 Donnie Dee: 100%. I think you find out what's most important and what you really value. And look, at the end of the day, football's a game, it can't be the most important thing in your life, and it's a game and it's why they call it a game. And so I think I was able to make the transition.
0:02:23.4 Mischa Z: Yeah, what a great lesson too and I think what a great thing or analogy, or whatever that... For me, I just hear that and I'm like, "Yeah, how much stuff do I put attachment on where it's just money or it's just this or just that when really... " I think is the lesson there.
0:02:42.8 Donnie Dee: Well, yeah, and it's easy to do because what our priorities are end up being the things that we chase and we center our whole life around, but what happens if we have the wrong priorities? Well, then we have established a life that isn't very deep, doesn't have a lot of substance, and those things always... You end up finding that out as time goes on that, "Hey, maybe this isn't as big a deal I thought it was." And that was really my relation with football. I went to University of Tulsa and football was the most important thing in my life. And then I got hurt in college and realized that, "Look, this can give you a lot of opportunities but it can't be the most important thing in your life 'cause it's gonna let you down eventually."
0:03:26.0 Mischa Z: Yeah, and I'm thinking too, I bet from that part of the country you grew up in and just... That was probably your destiny to a certain extent. That's the lifestyle...
0:03:38.8 Donnie Dee: Well, yeah, I think sports is a really big deal in the Midwest. Football is an enormous thing in Oklahoma. But even for me personally, my father was a professional basketball player for the Indiana Pacers and he won an actual gold medal, which I think is one of the most difficult accomplishments in all of sports, is winning a gold medal in the 1968 Olympics playing basketball. And so, yeah, I would say it was very much my destiny. I wanted to be an athlete, I wanted to accomplish what my dad had accomplished, I wanted to make him proud. I never imagined not being an athlete and I put that pressure on myself.
0:04:14.6 Mischa Z: Yeah, I will say too, for anybody younger, back in the day... So when your father went to play basketball in the Olympics, that was amateurs. There was no Michael Jordan, no LeBron James showing up, that was strictly amateur class.
0:04:32.6 Donnie Dee: These are all college guys playing against other countries and they were the best in the world, they were the best in the world. It has changed and now we've got pros playing against pros in the Olympics.
0:04:42.9 Mischa Z: Yeah, I think that's cool. I think I'm even more excited now to have you on the summit because I think, to have your identity in sports that much or as a pro football player and to have those cracks start to happen in college and then perhaps ultimately in the NFL, that it's such a powerful testament to what we're offering. How do we make it through those rough parts of life when our identity is shattered a little bit? So anyway, yeah, let me finish up here and thank you for indulging those questions. So here we are. Dee began his career in 1990 with the Fellowship of Christian Athletes in Colorado. Dee went on to become COO or Chief Operating Officer of the FCA for five years before relaunching the Tom Landry Associates, a major donor program at FCA. Again, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Dee is married to his college sweetheart, Jackie, who was also a college athlete. They have two grown children, Johnny, who's now 28 and about to get married, right?
0:06:00.7 Donnie Dee: That's correct.
0:06:01.7 Mischa Z: Yeah, very exciting, congratulations. And Jennifer, 25, who both played college basketball at USD and UCI, respectively. If I'd quickly touched on a... And again, for any of the younger people, Tom Landry, he was the coach... He was the man in football for a few decades, perhaps.
0:06:23.0 Donnie Dee: Very successful coach, went to the playoffs 23 years in a row, still has, I think, that record, and Bill Belichick's about to break it or maybe he was about to break it before last year because I don't think he went to the... I don't think the Patriots went to the playoffs last year, but Tom Landry is a very successful coach. He wasn't our founder but he got involved very early on with the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and really put us on the map. I think once he got involved and used FCA as his platform to share his thing, I think our ministry really exploded when I was with FCA, and I'm certainly thankful for his life and his leadership.
0:07:01.0 Mischa Z: Yeah, and you had a chance to interact a little bit with Tom Landry?
0:07:05.3 Donnie Dee: I did. We had an annual giving campaign that people would give $10,000 or more in a year in honor of Tom Landry and that was used for local field ministry to work with coaches and athletes at the local level.
0:07:22.2 Mischa Z: I wanted to touch really quick before we get to the question and the meat of the summit question, to you, is that... Clearly, it's evident to me through your history and what you do that your faith is very important to you and it's been a very powerful part of your life, yeah?
0:07:42.1 Donnie Dee: Yeah, it is and it has been, and I think it always will be. I didn't grow up in a Christian home, didn't grow up in the church, and so really just trying to figure out life by myself. I'm from a broken home, my father was an alcoholic, and so I think that, in many ways, I was gonna follow in his footsteps, not only athletically but also socially. I think I was destined to just be an alcoholic and to probably bounce around from relationship to relationship. And it wasn't until I got to college that I saw some other athletes that lived out their faith and that became inspirational for me and interesting to me that I asked questions. I think, in the end, I just began to embrace my faith and allow God to have a role in my life, and to have this daily relationship where I get a chance to strengthen my faith and try to be all that God has called me to be.
0:08:39.4 Mischa Z: It's beautiful. So your interest and that nurturing in your college years, that's what led you to, obviously, your work in things like the San Diego Rescue Mission, yes?
0:08:55.8 Donnie Dee: 100%. Yeah, I think faith and really beginning to understand the God of the Bible and really what the scripture teaches really compels you to wanna make a difference in the world and to wanna see other people not just as humans at different stages and different statuses in life but to begin to see them as God's creation and that whether you're homeless or whether you have billions that we're really all the same in terms of God's eyes and he calls upon us that have been given much to help those that maybe aren't as privileged or haven't been given as much, and I just think that's a great way to live your life. And I've seen so many that have gone before me that lived their lives that way and it really challenged me to embrace that.
0:09:38.9 Mischa Z: Yeah, fantastic. I think my relationship with source or a higher power, or God, as you say, has been more from a recovery lens, like a traditional 12-step, that was my entry point, but I'd love...
0:09:55.3 Donnie Dee: That's good.
0:09:56.1 Mischa Z: Yeah, yeah. I'm excited for your viewpoint. [laughter] And what I wanna touch on here too is service. So you are CEO and President of the San Diego Rescue Mission. So the San Diego Rescue Mission is feet on the street, helping people, yeah?
0:10:22.0 Donnie Dee: That's correct. Yeah, we have a large facility downtown. It's an old hospital. I have 366 beds, 60 of those beds are used for emergency shelter use overnight, women and children only, and they stay there one night at a time, two nights at a time. The other 300 beds are used for what I believe to be the number one solution for homelessness and that is rehabilitation. You understand that, you understand the power of a program, you understand the power of accountability and direction, and support 'cause you've obviously overcome some things in your own life. And we have people that come to us that, yes, circumstantially, they may be homeless but there's other things that are going on in their heart that have led them to this lifestyle of homelessness and we're trying to address what's going on in the heart so that they can overcome and really be free from this challenge of living on the streets. So they live with us for a year. We call them students. The first semester is wellness, the second semester is education, the third semester is job placement and housing. And we tell them on day one, "Give us a year, we'll get you off the streets permanently." And we do that through our rehabilitation program.
0:11:33.2 Mischa Z: It's beautiful. I love it. Well, good. I think we've laid the framework for service as a tool for a good life. So I have a question that I'm gonna ask you and I'm gonna lay the scenario and basically, if we think of life as a three-legged stool of relationships, finance, and...
0:11:57.9 Donnie Dee: Health.
0:12:00.0 Mischa Z: Health. Thank you. [chuckle]
0:12:00.3 Donnie Dee: Absolutely. I read the question.
0:12:01.9 Mischa Z: That's good. [laughter] I appreciate that, Donnie. Thank you. And then if we think of someone who was successful or is successful and two or three of the legs fall out from under them, so perhaps... So I'll speak for me. I went through divorce, another failed relationship after that, both my parents died in rapid succession, this was all 5 to 10 years ago, career upheaval. And up until that point, success had served me very well. And so pull myself up from my bootstraps, that mentality, that "Fix it. Work your way through it. Sort it out", that was no longer working. [laughter] I needed new tools. [laughter] And so by the grace of God, I got new tools. And so my question to you is, thinking of service to community as a tool, what are the exact next steps you would offer a person like me who is, perhaps, hitting that rough part of life? What are the exact next steps you would offer this person so they know they are headed in the new, right direction that they will have positive momentum towards getting their life back on track?
0:13:27.7 Donnie Dee: That's a big question, that's a heavy question, and I don't know that there's an easy answer to that. I can tell you what comes to mind for me and I can tell you what has worked for me. I think the exact next steps really have to do with how you view the world. I think everything starts internally first. I can't be for the world if I'm not first that in myself. I
I had so much fun doing a mediation episode last Thursday that I thought I would do a meditation this Thursday. Maybe I will make it meditation Thursdays?! Todays meditation: What if there was no hurry? And the ideas and questions that surround that.
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:03 I had so much fun doing a meditation episode last Thursday that I thought I would do it again. And I thought, "why not have meditation Thursdays?" Meditation Thursdays. So no promises, but I thought I'd give it a rip. How about it is Thursday. Here we go. Let's have a meditation. So for today I wrote down what if there was no hurry? What if there was no hurry. What if there was...well...let's start with this. Let's take a big, long breath in through your nose. Long breath out through your nose. Sit comfortably in your seat. If you're in your car, if you're on your couch, perhaps you're you're walking while you're, you are listening to this. Stop for a moment and bring your awareness to where you are. What you're doing. Take a big breath in through your nose.
Mischa Z: 01:34 Big breath out through your nose. Role, your neck from side to side, feel the vertebrae by vertebrae, crackling breath in breath out. Role your shoulders up and down. Wiggle your hips from side to side, settle into your seat. Or if you're standing shift from one foot to the other and then let your arms hang dangle down by your side. Whether you're standing or sitting big breath in. Breath it all out, bring your awareness to your, your heart. Perhaps put your hand on your chest. Breath in breath out. And let's contemplate the idea. What if there was no hurry? What if there was no hurry regarding your relationships? Regarding your finances? Your job? What if you were right where you were supposed to be? Breathe that in. Right where I'm supposed to be. Breathe that out. Appreciate the silence of the moment. If it's quiet where you're sitting. Perhaps you hear a car go by. The train whistle, blow, no matter nice breath in long breath out. Savor where you are at this space. At this time, you are right where you're supposed to be. If you're single, there's no hurry to be in a relationship. If you were in a relationship, it's beautiful as it is. Can you see it and appreciate it for how it stands right now? Letting go of attachment of what we think needs to be.
Mischa Z: 05:28 The illusion of needing more success. Needing, Wanting, Perhaps craving more than what you have. For, for me. Can I sit in this space of creating new opportunities? And letting go of expectations and outcomes where I think I should be? Can I stop comparing myself to others? What if there is no hurry? What if I'm where I'm supposed to be? What if my sons are where they're supposed to be? As far along as they're supposed to be? Long breaths in. Long breaths out. Breath in. And the long breath out. What if there is no hurry?
Mischa Z: 08:39 Here that dog barking in the background, perhaps there's a refrigerator humming? A clock taking? Breathe in, breathe it out. Roll your head from side to side. What if there's no hurry. Role your neck around in the circle. Tilt your head strongly from side to side, reach your arms tall above your head. Interlace your fingers and stretcher arms tall issue. Push your palms to the ceiling. Now a big breath out and let it go. Shake your arms by your side. I encourage you to savor things as they are. And to question any time today where you're feeling stressed about time constraints. Ask yourself what if there was no hurry? What if there is no hurry?
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It's Time for me to get my Amazon affiliate back up and running. And I tell you the story of how Amazon kicked me off of their affiliate/associate program for cutting corners. My excuse? I was in a state of overwhelm.
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:01 I'm walking in recording with my Shure MV88 mic. No, this is not a repeat of last of the last six episodes that I've started with that. Um, you can click through and buy the Shure MV88 Mic through my...through the show notes through my resources page, which is Be Love Media, www.Belove.media/resources. And you can buy the Shure MV88, and some other cool tech that I use to record episodes and do what I do. Now, why I'm talking about that is it's time for me to get my Amazon affiliate back up and running. So when I started this whole venture creating podcasts and summits and things. One of the ways to find some initial monetization and not a lot, but perhaps depending on your momentum, again, a way to find initial monetization was to create a resource page. Guide people to that resource page through your, um, show notes. Through your intros and outros. More specifically your outros. On your episodes by maybe saying it like I have done on this episode and I'll do it again right now.
Mischa Z: 01:55 Hey, go to www.belove.media/resources and get your Shure MV88 mic. Because it is awesome. And hopefully you do that. And I get my affiliate link from Amazon, put it in the show notes, you buy it for the normal price. You actually can't even tell that, um, that I've got anything to do with it. It's the normal Amazon page. It's pretty cool. It's really cool. Right? And, and I believe in the product and I put time and effort into creating a podcast and all these things. So hopefully you will purchase something. I'll also talk about A Course In Miracles. So you can buy the A Course In Miracles, the third edition combined volume. You can buy that, um, through my resource page and some other stuff.
Mischa Z: 03:02 And so when I started this whole venture, I created the resource page. I got, I became an Amazon affiliate. I, I, um, you know, started driving a little bit of traffic there. And when you start as an Amazon affiliate, you've got six months to, I believe it's do three sales or six sales or something like that. And if you don't do three sales or six sales within that first six months they cancel your affiliate link. So, that's the first bit of pressure. You've got to sell a certain amount. And I was like, oh my God, there's no way that's going to happen. Well, of course I got, uh, I did, I had, you know, the three sales or the six sales within the first 30 days. So that was super cool. Unfortunately, that triggers something where Amazon looks to make sure your Amazon affiliate compliant.
Mischa Z: 04:15 The reason I'm telling you all this is because a friend of mine was like, Hey, I hope you've been tracking your, your sales because I've been buying a bunch of books from your resource page. Cause he loves the Course In Miracles and buys him for his buddies and stuff like that. And uh, and I was like, oh no. I mean, yay. Yes, I was super excited, but oh no. And I'm going to, and I'm telling you why the, oh, now right now you can go back and hear these episodes. Right? Talk about Amazon affiliates, declining my affiliate status. Cause "the man" Blank'n Amazon, the man making it really hard, I feel like. And then also back then Apple wasn't distributing my podcasts. So there was the whole Apple battle. Those were way back in like episodes, probably 20 to 40 or something like that.
Mischa Z: 05:22 Anyhow. Um, so at the bottom of my show notes, it says, "I am an Amazon affiliate. I may get paid for any purchases you make through these links" or something like that. I, I put the appropriate verbiage at the bottom of, of the page there. I did not have that verbiage originally because I chose to ignore it by the way, everything I'm going to tell you how I flailed and why Amazon kicked me off as, because I cut corners. I was like, yeah, that rule doesn't apply to me. And Amazon was like, oh yes, that rule does apply to you as an Amazon affiliate. So I got the disclaimer at the bottom and the other thing is your web page. You have to, um, when you try, when you apply to become an Amazon affiliate, you give them your web page where stuff's going down and you need to be producing new content.
Mischa Z: 06:31 It's like six pieces a month or something new every day. Or I can't remember what it is. You can't just have a page out there and not be adding value. So you've got to be producing content. And again, I was like, that rule does not apply to me. And I just choose to ignore it. And it wasn't like it doesn't apply to me. I was just in a state of overwhelm. I was like, I just, you know, starting a podcast, working on my dream 100, you know, trying to get a framework together for a summit idea, all this stuff, all this new stuff. And so I was like, well maybe, maybe Amazon will miss that. Or it didn't read all the details, the fine print or whatever. So I was so excited to start having a little bit of revenue. When all of a sudden I get the email, it said you've been shut down.
Mischa Z: 07:41 And I was like "Damn It!". And so fast forward, six months later to today. And so I just said, you know what, I'm going to keep all the, you can still sell stuff through your old affiliate links. You just don't get paid on it. Um, so I was like, at some point I'll get to making a page that shows my updated content every day and I'll meet the requirements. And now, so a couple of things, one people are buying and I'm not getting credit. So I was like, all right, it's time to it's time to take the time to reapply to the Amazon affiliate program and do the work it takes to make sure all the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed. And the other thing is I'm going to start making a big push to drive more organic traffic to my podcast, to my resource page, to, to, to those affiliate links.
Mischa Z: 09:04 So I need to have it in order. So there you have it. I think. So that's, what's up it's time for me to hopefully the next, hopefully within the next week, one of my episodes will be I've reapplied for the Amazon affiliate program. And then hopefully within a few weeks, it'll be, yes. I passed the test and checked the boxes and I's are dotted. T's are crossed and I am a successful Amazon affiliate. A person company, whatever. Anyway, there you have it love to all, um, these are all, uh, problems of gradual success as well. Love to all bye.
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Turns out Russell Brunson is Human. On his Marketing Secrets Podcast he talks about a real time failure. This is refreshing and lets me know I don't need to be superhuman. This also shakes me up because it means there is no golden goose. I have more failures in front of me.
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Transcript: Mischa Z: 00:03 Recording and walking with my Shure MV88, I just listened to a Russell Brunson podcast. Too is Russell Brunson's, Marketing Secrets Podcast. And one thing I noticed about Russell Brunson, he's really good at staying on point with his episodes. And he obviously has great content. He's very successful at what he does with tons of experience. So I very much enjoy his, um, staying on point. And I realized, yeah, I can veer off a lot veer off of my point. And I love that. And they can have multiple points going at the same time. And I love that perhaps one day, all my episodes will be, or most of them will be one specific point, but as it is, some of my episodes are good at that. And some are good at multiple trains of thought, this is going to be a multiple train of thought episode.
Mischa Z: 01:17 The next thing about the, his podcast today was he showed some great vulnerability talking about how he had a failed webinar. So he does webinars and drives purchases and things like that. And generally speaking, we hear about lots of success. He paints the picture of lots of success, which is awesome. He does have lots of success. But today he said how he ha he had in him and his company, ClickFunnels had invested multiple eight figures in a, in a company and another company to acquire their list. And then so they could market to this list and, and he was doing a webinar to that list. And, you know, 8,000 people jumped on the webinar or something and, and he flamed out in a massive way. And he was talking about it. And he was also talking about at the end, you know, he said, Hey, a lot of us successful folks talk about the wound versus the scar and how, how in a perfect world, you, you only talk about those things that have scarred over. So they're not raw wounds. And he was laughing and, you know, having fun. And he was clearly the state of frustration talking about the current wound of his failed webinar. And, uh, which is really cool because it gave me, or gives me a little permission to talk about some of the wound'ee things that I talk about. Um, and, and I, I dunno if I want to say makes it okay, but, but it, it does happen and it can be refreshing to hear about real time frustration from someone who's super successful.
Mischa Z: 03:44 And he further talked about how, how, you know, some, some failures that led to successes. He had the launch Click Funnels five times, and then on the sixth time, and finally took hold and he was talking about how he did this. It was called 10 X, this 10 X sales conference. And he did his presentation and he made $3 million. This was a live concert or not. It was a live presentation in front of 10,000 people or some such thing. And, and it was so successful, his pitch that he made $3 million, sold $3 million worth of product. And so the next year he goes to it to do it again. And there's a documentary about the whole thing, which now I have to watch, but he brings along a documentary crew and I get under the, under the guise of this thing is going to be super successful. There's 30,000 people at the event this time versus 10,000 last time. So he, you know, they're thinking they're going to make tens of millions of dollars, or he says, billions of dollars. And of course he totally flamed out. So he put out the documentary that shows him flaming out, shows this whole process. Now I have to find it. And you can listen to the Russell Brunson Marketing Secrets Podcast. And he it's like my webinar failed. That's the, something like that, the title of his episode.
Mischa Z: 05:43 And, uh, and you can track down the, this, this documentary of him imploding on webinar or on, on, on, yeah, on a big sales presentation in front of 30,000 people or not having the success he wanted. So it was kind of refreshing. He was just talking a lot about how, you know, he's a performer and effect in, and, uh, you know, it's, he's, he's sales...does salei... s his performance, right? He's, he's performing to sell his very effective product. And it was kind of two things I felt after the podcast episode, the first one was, thank God, he's human. Right. Thank God. Russell Brunson is human. Russell Brunson is human. And then the second thing I thought was, oh, now there's no golden goose out there that ensures success, quote, unquote success and everything we do as a fledgling entrepreneur, um, I've got to get ready to fail.
Mischa Z: 07:11 There's going to be failures. So that, that, that was a very, I was like, oh my gosh, that was disheartening for a moment. But of course, as I like to say, come back to the moment, do the next indicated step and, uh, continue on. It's funny. I managed to stay on point about somebody else's podcast episode being my, being my topic. Um, so yeah, that's, that's, uh, that's it Russell Brunson had a failure and, uh, it, it provided me hope that, uh, we don't have to be superhuman, but then also, oh, no, we don't become superhuman. Uh, gosh, that's it. I I'm right at eight minutes, I'm going to call it good. Have a fine day.
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