Tailgate Talks

In this thought-provoking episode, Donald welcomes back his good friend and frequent guest, Phil Gaines, former Director of South Carolina State Parks and a trusted voice in the world of leadership and legacy. Phil has been on the show several times before, and each time he brings fresh wisdom, humor, and practical insights. This conversation is no different—it's a deep dive into what it means to build, live, and leave a legacy.

Legacy is a big word, but it's not something we get to write for ourselves. As Phil reminds us, history decides your legacy. It's defined by the choices you make, the people you impact, and the influence you carry into the lives of others. More than a title or an accomplishment, legacy is your story in action—it's the way others remember how you made them feel and the lessons you passed along.

Donald and Phil explore the idea that just like nature, our lives and careers are constantly changing. Change isn't something to fear—it's a natural and necessary part of growth. They challenge listeners to become lifelong learners who are willing to adapt, pivot, and even reinvent themselves when needed. Whether it's reading a book, listening to a podcast, or learning from a colleague, every new lesson is an opportunity to "upgrade" who we are and how we lead.

The conversation also touches on flexibility and resilience—two qualities that great leaders share. Just as ecosystems thrive by adapting to shifting conditions, so do leaders who remain open, curious, and humble. By consistently tweaking and refining our approach, we not only grow ourselves but also leave a stronger impact on those around us.

Phil and Donald's back-and-forth is both inspiring and practical, filled with personal stories and take-home reminders. They remind us that legacy isn't about perfection or permanence—it's about progress, influence, and the willingness to keep learning and improving.

• Defining Legacy: Why it's less about what you claim and more about how others experience your leadership.

• The Power of Lifelong Learning: How curiosity fuels personal and professional growth.

• Reinvention & Adaptability: Practical insights on pivoting, upgrading, and remaining relevant in changing times.

• Influence Over Achievement: Why the lives you touch will always speak louder than the awards you win.

• Nature as a Teacher: Lessons from the natural world that mirror our own need for change and resilience.

Whether you're leading a team, serving your community, or simply navigating your own journey, this episode will encourage you to look at your legacy not as a final destination but as an ongoing process. Legacy is written every day—in how you show up, how you learn, how you adapt, and how you lift others along the way.

Phil and Donald leave listeners with this challenge: Keep learning, keep growing, and keep shaping a legacy that others will be proud to remember.

Every year, tens of thousands of visitors gather to witness one of the most dramatic wildlife events in America: the Buffalo Roundup. In this episode of Tailgate Talks, we go behind the scenes to uncover what it takes to move hundreds of bison safely and efficiently across the sweeping prairies of Custer State Park.

From managing the herd's health to coordinating horses, riders, and vehicles, the Buffalo Roundup is a blend of tradition, conservation, and sheer logistical muscle. You'll hear how rangers, wranglers, and park professionals prepare for the spectacle, the history behind this unique event, and the lessons it offers in leadership, teamwork, and balancing people with wildlife.

• The history and purpose of the Buffalo Roundup.

• How park professionals manage logistics, safety, and crowd control for tens of thousands of visitors.

• The role of conservation in maintaining healthy bison herds.

• Leadership and teamwork lessons hidden in the thunder of hooves.

• What it feels like to ride alongside a 2,000-pound animal at full speed.

The Buffalo Roundup is more than a show—it's a living example of conservation in action, cultural heritage, and the careful balance between people and nature. Whether you're a park professional, a wildlife enthusiast, or just curious about one of America's most unique traditions, this episode gives you a rare look inside the roundup.

🎧 Tune in to experience the thundering hooves, the dust of the prairie, and the teamwork it takes to herd thunder.

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Donald Forgione — Former Director of 175 Florida State Parks, with 40+ years in ecotourism, leadership, and public service. Now a business owner, speaker, and coach, Donald connects leadership lessons from nature to business. Mike Simmons — Founder of Find My Catalyst, leadership coach, and sales strategist, helping people identify and act on their catalyst for change.

Three Key Quotes

1. Donald Forgione: "Trust is the key to absolutely everything… If they're not feeling what I'm saying, I might as well throw it out the window."

2. Mike Simmons: "A revenue challenge is often a culture challenge in disguise. Culture starts with leadership. Leadership starts with self."

3. Donald Forgione: "Superman ain't coming. You have to be your own Superman, your own Wonder Woman — and figure it out."

Mike and Donald explore the deep connections between nature and leadership, revealing how adaptability, trust, and asking the right questions can transform teams and culture. They share real-world lessons from state parks to sales, showing leaders how to align purpose, overcome obstacles, and create environments where people thrive.

5 Key Takeaways – Finding Your Catalyst in Leadership 1. Adaptability is Essential

• Nature changes daily, sometimes hourly — so do business environments.

• Leaders must adjust "sails" when conditions shift, not fight the wind.

• Like a river finding a new path, flexibility keeps momentum moving forward.

2. Trust is the Foundation

• Without trust, communication falls flat — people must feel you're genuine.

• Consistent standards and fairness build credibility.

• Trust enables teams to follow direction, even in tough changes.

3. Ask Better Questions

• Leaders have an obligation to ask questions others won't.

• Tone, timing, and context matter — the "tailgate" setting often works best.

• Asking opens doors to insight; telling can shut them.

4. Sales is Everyone's Job

• Selling is solving problems, not pushing products.

• Every role in an organization impacts customer experience.

• Internal and external "customers" both require thoughtful service.

5. Break Down Silos

• Customers don't care which department "owns" the problem.

• Internal collaboration is as important as external service.

• Remove political barriers so the mission comes first.

Find your Catalyst at https://findmycatalyst.com

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You Can Put the Work in to Practice, and we'd love to hear about it.

Listener Challenge: Your Catalyst Connection

This week, take 15 minutes to connect one lesson from nature to your work.

Step 1 – Observe: Go for a walk in a park, your neighborhood, or any outdoor space. Notice one thing that stands out — a tree's growth pattern, the way water flows, how animals interact, or even the weather.

Step 2 – Reflect: Ask yourself:

• What obstacle is this natural element facing?

• How is it adapting or overcoming?

• How does this mirror challenges in my team or business?

Step 3 – Act: Identify one small change you can make in your leadership or work this week inspired by that observation.

Example: If you see water rerouting around rocks, consider how you can redirect your team's energy around a roadblock rather than trying to push through it.

Share Your Story: Email Mike and Donald with your insight — you might inspire the next podcast conversation.

In this episode of Tailgate Talks, Donald Forgione sits down with Nick Wiley, of Ducks Unlimited (DU), to explore how one of the nation's most recognized conservation nonprofits is partnering with public agencies, private landowners, and park professionals to protect critical habitats and ensure sustainable recreation.

From marshland restoration to outdoor education, Nick shares how DU's work extends far beyond waterfowl. Learn how Ducks Unlimited is building bridges between hunters, biologists, and land managers — and how you can collaborate with them to strengthen your park, refuge, or natural area.

Whether you manage a state park, lead a conservation organization, or love the outdoors, this episode will leave you inspired by what's possible when we work together.

• The mission and history of Ducks Unlimited

• Why wetlands matter (and not just for ducks!)

• DU's role in supporting state parks, public lands, and recreation areas

• How DU works with partners in government, nonprofits, and the private sector

• Grant programs, land acquisition, and technical assistance opportunities

• Common myths about DU – and the truth behind the camo

• Tips for park professionals interested in collaboration

Nick Wiley is a seasoned conservation leader. Nick has helped guide large-scale habitat restoration projects and public-private partnerships across the Americas. His passion for land, water, and wildlife drives DU's mission to conserve, restore, and manage wetlands and associated habitats for waterfowl — and the people who enjoy them.

• 🌐 Ducks Unlimited Website

• 📍 Learn more about DU projects in your area

• 🤝 Connect with a local DU chapter or conservation contact

• 📚 Explore DU's habitat restoration programs and funding opportunities

Enjoyed the episode? Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcast platform. Please share your thoughts with us using #TailgateTalks and tag Donald on LinkedIn or Facebook.

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🎙 Tailgate Talks with Donald Forgione Episode Title: The Bulletproof Spirit: Emotional Survival for First Responders Guest: Captain Dan Willis

Episode Summary: In this powerful and timely episode, Donald Forgione welcomes Captain Dan Willis, retired police captain, author of Bulletproof Spirit, and nationally recognized expert on emotional survival for first responders.

Drawing from his decades of experience in law enforcement and training, Captain Willis shares actionable strategies for maintaining wellness, building resilience, and supporting mental health in high-stress professions like park and resource protection, law enforcement, and emergency services. From the toll of trauma exposure to the power of purpose and connection, this conversation is both eye-opening and deeply affirming.

Key Topics Discussed:

• The emotional hazards of serving on the front lines of public safety

• Why trauma exposure is cumulative—and what to do about it

• The importance of proactive wellness practices for long-term mental health

• What it really means to be "bulletproof in spirit"

• Tools and routines for building emotional resilience

• How leadership can create a culture of care and mental fitness

• Lessons for park rangers, conservation officers, and first responders alike

About the Guest: Captain Dan Willis is a retired police captain with 30 years of service, an instructor for the FBI National Academy, and the author of Bulletproof Spirit: The First Responder's Essential Resource for Protecting and Healing Mind and Heart. His mission is to help first responders and public safety professionals lead healthy, meaningful, and emotionally sustainable lives.

Resources & Mentions:

• 📖 Bulletproof Spirit by Dan Willis

• 🌐 Visit bulletproofspirit.com for wellness tools and speaking engagements

• 👮‍♂️ Learn more about Captain Willis's trainings and resources for agencies and teams

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In this episode of Tailgate Talks, Donald Forgione sits down with longtime friend and fire professional Zach Prusak to discuss the evolving world of online fire training. With decades of boots-on-the-ground experience and a passion for meaningful instruction, Zach shares how virtual learning can be effective, engaging, and even life-saving—when done right.

Together, they dive into the challenges and opportunities of delivering fire training online, especially for park rangers, prescribed burn crews, and resource managers. From best practices in adult learning to practical tips for fireline leaders and instructors, this episode is packed with insights for anyone tasked with keeping teams safe and skilled in the digital age.

Topics Covered:

• What makes online fire training effective—and what doesn't

• Balancing hands-on field experience with virtual learning

• Designing training that's engaging, interactive, and memorable

• How to reach newer staff with limited fireline exposure

• The importance of storytelling and scenario-based learning

• Advice for trainers building or leading virtual fire programs

About the Guest: Zach Prusak has decades of fire and land management experience in both the public and private sectors. He's known nationwide for his work in prescribed fire, wildland fire safety, and workforce development. Zach combines practical field knowledge with instructional expertise to mentor the next generation of fire professionals.

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🎙 Tailgate Talks with Donald Forgione Episode Title: Running In When Others Run Out: Leadership in Emergency Management Guest: Brian Pinson

Show Notes:

In this episode of Tailgate Talks, I sit down with Brian Pinson, a seasoned leader in environmental land management with nearly 30 years of frontline experience in wildfires, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Brian has led emergency response teams across the country and has built a career defined by courage, calm under pressure, and a commitment to service.

When I served as Director of the Florida Park Service, Brian was the person I trusted to "run in when others were running out." His wisdom and leadership style in high-stakes situations have influenced countless professionals in the field—and today, you get to hear directly from him.

In This Episode, We Discuss:

• 🔥 What true leadership looks like during a crisis

• 🌪 Lessons learned from managing hurricanes, wildfires, and multi-agency operations

• 🧭 How to prepare your team before the emergency ever begins

• 💬 Communicating effectively under stress

• 💡 The importance of humility, trust, and clear-headed decision-making

• 👥 Building teams that function when the pressure is highest

Brian shares practical advice and personal stories that will resonate with anyone responsible for parks, public lands, emergency planning, or staff safety.

Key Quote: "Leadership is forged long before the storm ever hits. It's about building trust, setting expectations, and training for the worst so you can deliver your best." – Brian Pinson

Resources & Mentions: If you'd like to reach out to Brian or learn more about emergency leadership best practices, you can contact him at: [email protected]

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Subscribe & Share: If this episode sparked new ideas or reaffirmed your commitment to leadership, share it with a fellow park professional or emergency responder. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review—your support helps keep these important conversations going.

Welcome to Tailgate Talks, where we gather around the tailgate to talk about the places we love, the people who steward them, and the leadership it takes to make it all happen. I'm your host, Donald Forgione—and today is a special day.

This is Episode 100. That's right—Tailgate Talks has officially hit triple digits.

When I launched this podcast, my goal was simple: to create something meaningful for park, forestry, and wildlife professionals, recreation leaders, conservationists, friend groups, concessionaires, and anyone who finds purpose in the great outdoors. I never imagined how far we'd come or how many of you would tune in from all 50 states and other countries.

Over the past 100 episodes, we've shared stories from the field, explored leadership lessons, learned from the successes and challenges of others, and sparked meaningful conversations about stewardship, innovation, and community. We've laughed, we've listened, and we've leaned into what makes our work so special.

I've spoken with rangers, directors, volunteers, authors, professors, and trailblazers—each with a story that has helped shape our field and inspire our listeners. And through it all, the message has been clear: this work matters. Your work matters. Nature matters. People matter. And leadership—humble, consistent, values-driven leadership—matters.

And personally? It's changed me. Every episode has taught me something new, and I am deeply grateful for the growth, connection, and purpose this podcast has brought into my life.

Alongside Tailgate Talks, I've had the joy of cowriting The Ecotourism Providers Handbook. That book was a labor of love—an effort to capture best management practices, hard lessons, and the tools that help responsible providers share our wild spaces in meaningful, respectful ways. Many of you have told me it's helped you start something new or strengthen what you're already doing. Thank you for that feedback—it means the world to me.

And more recently, I've taken a new leap—into the world of children's literature. I'm thrilled to announce my upcoming book series: The Ranger's Wild Adventure Trio. It features Briar Bear, Silas Squirrel, and Ollie Otter—three friends who hike, learn, and grow through wilderness adventures and the wisdom of their guide, Ranger Riley. The first title, Briar Bear's Journey to the Bear Tree, will be available for sale in your gift shop this Fall and in bookstores next spring.

This series is for the next generation of nature lovers—kids who, I hope, will one day be our rangers, our scientists, our educators, and our advocates. It's whimsical and fun but grounded in real environmental education and park experiences. Just like this podcast, it's about connection—to nature, to history, and one another.

But we're not done yet. We're just getting started.

As we look to the future of Tailgate Talks, I would like to invite you to be part of what's next. I'm exploring the idea of creating a membership group—a place where listeners can connect beyond the podcast. A community where we can continue the conversation after each episode, share ideas, and grow together as professionals and as people. What do you think? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I'm also considering hosting an annual event—a Ranger Retreat gathering where park, forestry, and wildlife professionals, conservationists, and outdoor leaders from all levels and agencies can come together. No matter your role or where you work, this would be a place to meet like-minded folks, swap stories, build connections, and leave inspired. Think of it as a live version of the tailgate—full of learning, networking, and camaraderie. Would you come? Let me know!

And what about video? Would you like to see and hear the conversations? It's something I'm exploring, and your feedback is greatly appreciated.

And remember, Tailgate Talks isn't just a podcast. It's part of the larger work I do through Donald Forgione, LLC, offering leadership coaching, consulting, speaking, and training to recreation and conservation agencies and professionals. Whether you're developing your team, launching a project, or trying to elevate your agency—I'd be honored to help.

This podcast has brought me immense joy, and it wouldn't be possible without you—my listeners, my friends, and my colleagues in the field. If this podcast has ever made you smile, taught you something new, or helped you feel connected to the mission we all share, please send me a note.

If you email me at [email protected], I'll send you a Tailgate Talks sticker as a token of appreciation for being part of this milestone.

And hey—maybe you have a story to share. Want to be a guest on the podcast? Reach out! I'm always looking for real stories from real people doing the real work of recreation, conservation, and leadership.

To my family, past guests, and so many others—thank you for your support. To every park ranger who's cleared a trail, welcomed a visitor, or made a difference, this podcast is for you.

Here's to the next 100.

Until next time—keep leading, keep learning, and I'll see you around the tailgate.

In this follow-up conversation, Donald Forgione reconnects with Minnesota's State Park Managers, Katie Foshay (Tettegouche & George H. Crosby Manitou State Parks) and Nate Springer (Gooseberry Falls State Park), to continue the insightful dialogue on the challenges, lessons, and successes of stepping into senior park leadership. Building on their previous episode, Katie and Nate share what's changed since we last spoke—what they've learned, grown, and handled new complexities as site managers.

Listen to honest reflections and practical advice for up-and-coming park professionals. We also dive into mentorship, work-life balance, and what it means to be responsible for an entire park operation.

Whether you're a seasoned park leader or just entering the profession, this episode is packed with relatable stories, real-world wisdom, and encouragement for all levels of leadership.

In this episode of Tailgate Talks, host Donald Forgione welcomes back Phil Gaines, retired Director of South Carolina State Parks, for a timely and insightful conversation on the delicate art of community engagement.

Together, they explore the techniques and strategies needed to facilitate stakeholder meetings—especially when working with groups who have deep emotional and historical ties to a project. Topics covered include:

• Effective planning and preparation for community meetings

• The importance of room layout and setting the tone before anyone speaks

• The art of listening—truly hearing concerns, not just responding

• Skillful questioning to uncover root issues and opportunities

• Building authentic trust, even amid disagreement

• Ensuring all voices feel heard, valued, and respected

Phil and Donald also share real-world stories, hard-earned lessons, and tips for preventing meetings from becoming unproductive or contentious. Whether you're a park professional, community leader, or project facilitator, this episode is packed with practical advice for turning community challenges into collaborative success stories.

Key Takeaways:

• Successful stakeholder engagement starts long before the meeting begins.

• How a room is set up can send a powerful message.

• Listening is a skill—and a strategy.

• Trust is built through consistency, authenticity, and small gestures that show respect.

• Conflict is not the enemy—poor facilitation is.

Connect with Us: Visit donaldforgione.com to learn more about Tailgate Talks and upcoming episodes.