Host Jessica Fein turns the tables for episode 50. The ineffable Effie Parks of the award-winning "Once Upon a Gene" podcast returns to the show to interview Jessica about how she does it. 

They talk about:

• The rewards of openly sharing personal experiences for growth and survival
• Integrating joy and grief 
• The value in naming ambiguous grief
• How a long shot is still a shot and the worst thing that can happen when you take it
• What to do when there's no light at the end of the tunnel
• The power of podcasting

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