For today's session, Marty and Josh talk about their one epic therapy session they would love to have with someone who is dead and someone who is alive. This discussion leads them to talk about the newest podcast they are listening to called "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill". The podcast talks about the former head pastor of Mars Hill church in Seattle, Mark Driscoll, and how he became someone who people loved then hated. Is this concept of superstar pastors closer than we think? The guys break this thought down and talk about why ever church is at risk for a rise and fall show themselves. They also review a special guest coffee from Jon Martin! This coffee is from India and apart of the Atlas Coffee Club Membership, Big shoutout to Jon! Enjoy the episode!