We speak with white teachers, teachers of color, white students, and each other to uncover the cause and impact of white fragility. With Dr. Kimberly Parker, and Afrika Afeni Mills

Our season launch continues with an interview with podcast host, John Biewen- of the series, Seeing White, on the Scene on Radio podcast. Biewen reflects on the evolution of his podcast, exposing historical myths, and making whiteness visible.

In this episode, we hear from Peggy McIntosh, author of, White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack, and also Debby Irving, author of Waking Up White. Both guests reflect on why they feel it is important to make whiteness visible. 

What are the costs of segregation and what role can white teachers play in solving the problems that come with racial isolation in schools? We interview Ralph Wales, Dr. Eddie Moore Jr., and Alethea White.

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