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Beatrice speaks with Dr. Steven Thrasher about his recent piece for the Guardian "The Biden administration has failed its Covid test," what we can and can't learn about covid mitigation from the HIV/AIDS crisis, and his forthcoming book "The Viral Underclass."

You can pre-order Dr. Thrasher's book here: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250796639

Also! Pre-orders are now live for Bea and Artie's book, Health Communism, out October 18th from Verso Books. Pre-order Health Communism here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/712391/health-communism-by-beatrice-adler-bolton-and-artie-vierkant/

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