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Beatrice speaks with Silky Shah about the harsh immigration and border detention rhetoric on display at both the DNC and RNC this summer, the historical and material links between the rise of the immigration detention system and mass incarceration, and her new book, Unbuild Walls: Why Immigrant Justice Needs Abolition.

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