Chris just got back from California, where he spent the weekend with all three of his grown kids — and came home with some fresh reflections on fatherhood. In this episode, he and Jesse talk about what it means to still be a dad when your kids are adults and don’t need you in the same way anymore. They unpack three postures of fathering — out front, behind, and next to — and what each one asks of us as men. You’ll hear stories about letting kids fail, learning to respect them as adults, and realizing that parenting doesn’t end, it just changes. It’s an honest, funny, and heartfelt look at what growing alongside your kids can really look like.

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