The Abstract

In an always-changing ad tech industry, how have privacy and data protection emerged as two of the largest challenges that organizations need to face? Whether it’s streaming platforms, engineering AI models, or aligning key industry stakeholders, these topics are evolving faster than the world can keep up with.

OpenAP GC & Chief Privacy Officer Andy Dale has been leading conversations about privacy and data protection for more than a decade. He shares stories and advice from his time as the only privacy counsel at Mastercard, an organizer of some of the first privacy and data-focused industry groups, overseeing privacy at standards-making body OpenAP, and co-hosting his popular and influential podcast for more than 80 episodes, Data Protection Breakfast Club.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-25

Topics:

Introduction: 0:00

Predicting the importance of data protection and recalibrating your career: 3:24

Connecting laws and data in the privacy sphere: 6:52

Leading privacy diligence during SessionM sale to Mastercard: 11:25

Identifying your interests to determine your next professional move: 15:26

Working across competitive lines at OpenAP: 19:35

Predicting the data and privacy ecosystem ahead: 24:36

Viewing AI through privacy and data protection: 27:50

Evolving the Chief Privacy Officer role: 30:19

Advice to junior lawyer breaking into privacy: 33:48

Co-hosting a podcast about privacy and data protection with over 88 episodes published: 38:22

Privacy-related book recommendations: 44:06

Advice to younger lawyers: 45:16

Listen to an episode of Andy’s Data Protection Breakfast Club podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trevor-hughes-ceo-at-iapp/id1559290322?i=1000514250595

Connect with us:

Andy Dale - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

How do you build and scale a high-performing legal team?
Beyond legal prowess, GCs must master leadership, finding and retaining the right talent, allocating resources and advocating for budget, and more. Join us as we dive into intriguing stories and advice shared by top leaders in the in-house legal industry.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-24

Topics
Introduction: 00:00
David Lancelot on transforming processes to empower lawyers as strategic leaders: 01:46
Gary Spiegel on hiring adaptable players and fostering a growth-oriented culture: 08:17
Brian Chase on allocating resources strategically and nurturing talent: 13:41
Akshay Verma on how well-being and values contribute to professional success: 20:03
Adam Glick on strategic hiring for expertise and problem-solving skills: 22:17
Celaena Powder on team success through coaching, brand building, and open culture: 30:38
Lydia Chuek on demonstrating trust in employees and retaining great legal talent: 34:00
Seth Weissman on developing trust and leadership synergy within teams: 36:56

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Connect with us:
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

Featured guests:
David Lancelot - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidlancelot/
Gary Spiegel - ​​https://www.linkedin.com/in/gspieg/
Brian Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-r-chase/
Akshay Verma - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshay-verma-esq/
Adam Glick - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adglick/
Celaena Powder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/celaenapowder/
Lydia Cheuk - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lydiacheuk/
Seth Weissman -  https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethweissman/

Interested in expanding beyond the traditional role of General Counsel?
Join us in this episode to find out how legal leaders redefine their roles. Discover insights that transform legal professionals into strategic business leaders – from smoothly transitioning to CEO to mastering adaptive communication in enterprise strategy.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-23

Topics:
Introduction: 00:00
Evan Ferl on taking the legal landscape beyond its limits: 01:16
René Paula on enterprise strategy and adaptive communication: 06:55
Kathy Zhu on mastering the legal to CEO transition: 09:11
Vanessa Gage on navigating interim leadership challenges: 12:15
Genessa Stout on mastering legal insight and business success: 17:19
Outro: 20:30


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Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

Featured guests:
Evan Ferl: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanferl/
René Paula: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rpaula/
Kathy Zhu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathymzhu88/
Vanessa Gage: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vgage/
Genessa Stout: https://www.linkedin.com/in/genessastout/

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Joining a board as a GC presents a unique set of challenges: how do you demonstrate value when many boards are looking for members with financial and strategy experience? How do you avoid becoming the de facto legal counsel? And how can you maximize your board experience to expand and strengthen your network and legal skill set?

Lisa Harrington, board director, consultant, and CLO, can coach you through this complex process. Currently the board director at A-Rod’s Slam Corp and Iron Horse Acquisitions, Lisa has complimented her career as CLO and corporate secretary with a yearslong journey through public and private board rooms.

Join Lisa as she offers her fellow GCs experience-proven advice on the best ways to find your first board seat, thrive on a committee as an expert advisor, and eventually make your way to a role on a coveted public board.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-22

Topics:

Introduction: 1:28

Comparing and contrasting GC roles at public and private companies: 4:24

Finding opportunities on to take on board directorships or take on board seats: 8:48

Setting yourself up to get recruited for board membership: 15:01

Describing the ongoing obligations of a board member or director: 21:39

Factors to consider for GCs looking to join a board: 25:08

Non-legal-related advice for drafting your board agreement: 28:17

Making strong connections with operators: 31:53

Going through the IPO process with Iron Horse: 37:49

Participating on a board during an acquisition at Slam Corp: 41:37

Leaving a board role with grace: 44:45

Advice to younger self: 47:10

Connect with us:

Lisa Harrington - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisahattonharrington/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

After an unexpected detour from her initial plans to join the FBI, Alice Bisgrove built a career in tech law working for tech giants like Cisco and Procore.

In this episode, she discusses how she remained a legal generalist for over a decade at Cisco, taking on new roles and building relationships across the massive organization.

Alice describes her transition to Procore as it grew from an established startup to a public company. From her impactful career journey, we will learn lessons on collaboration, problem-solving perspectives, and continually adapting to new opportunities.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-21

01:07 Introduction

04:36 Moving into the tech field

09:57 Sensing when an applicant is hungry to work

11:01 Staying curious as a corporate generalist at Cisco

15:03 Driving alignment after identifying a major problem

20:24 Building trust with stakeholders in your business

21:42 Finding ways to maintain customer centricity

25:46 Transitioning to Procore Technologies

27:38 Working cross-functionally

30:08 Management role and building a team

32:11 Book recommendations

33:54 Advice to younger self

Connect with us:

Alice Bisgrove - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicebisgrove

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

When you disagree with your boss, should you let it go or take a stand? How do you lean into your integrity and vocalize your beliefs, especially when you aren’t aware of the strength of your own voice? And how do you advise your company to do the right thing, as well?

Junna Ro, the head of strategic legal initiatives for UC Legal at the UC Office of the President, has spent decades inhabiting leadership positions in the insurance and tech industry, both as the former general counsel at Metromile and the chief ethics & compliance officer at CSAA. But entering the world of legal without the connections and role models of her law school peers, she also knows what it’s like to be an outsider.

Join Junna as she shares her passion for diversity, inclusion, ethics, and representation, as well her journey to discovering the power of speaking out and standing up for your convictions.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-20

Topics:

Introduction: 1:09

Taking a break from legal work and reflecting: 2:22

Book recommendations: 9:23

Sharing the cultural context of your upbringing: 12:11

Existing as both a legal outsider and a legal insider: 15:16

Finding the courage to speak up in high-pressure moments: 17:34

Defining the difference between ethics and compliance in legal: 23:16

Moving into a General Counsel position at Metromile: 26:49

Taking a stand against Asian hate: 33:55

Advising executive teams on taking a stand on social issues: 39:23

Offering advice to leaders about tackling difficult topics: 44:16

Reflecting on failures: 44:56

Advice for young lawyers: 46:56

Connect with us:

Junna Ro: https://www.linkedin.com/in/junnaro/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

What does it mean for a lawyer to take on an interim role? Yes, there will be more work and your time will be divided across functions. But you will also get the opportunity to reevaluate why things are the way they are, and make positive improvements for your legal team.

Join Cedar General Counsel Vanessa Gage as she shares advice on how to make the most of an interim executive roles. Vanessa stepped into the role of interim CFO at Cedar following a surprise executive departure—just weeks after she the started at the company. But it wasn’t her first time taking on an interim position. Find out how she was able to tackle the challenges—and rewards—that lay ahead.

This episode, recorded before Cedar filled their CFO role, offers a glimpse into Vanessa’s perspective as she temporarily extends beyond her purview as general counsel.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-19

Topics:

Introduction: 00:48

Moving from Deputy General Counsel to Interim GC at Opendoor: 3:03

Advice for lawyers stepping into interim positions: 5:49

Catapulting into a GC role at Cedar and taking on the responsibility of Interim CFO: 11:07

Advice for GCs who find themselves taking on additional interim roles: 17:17

Pushing the business forward without tying your successor’s hands: 21:40

Preparing to step back from your interim role: 27:12

What you are proud of and book recommendations: 31:25

Connect with us:

Vanessa Gage: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vgage/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

How does legal determine what is acceptable user behavior? How do lawyers weigh the needs of users and concerns from law enforcement to arrive at the best guidelines for responsibly protecting our data?

Join Protégé Search Partner and Head of Consumer Mark Kahn as he shares his experiences on the front lines of privacy protection in his roles as VP of Ethical Use at Twilio and Deputy General Counsel at Whatsapp. In a time of major international crises, how do tech companies navigate the difficult questions about ethics, acceptable use, and fairness?

We’ll hear about his journey from the Oakland A’s, to the legal teams of tech’s biggest players, to his newest career guiding others on their professional career paths as an executive recruiter. We’ll also get some tips about recognizing when you’re in the right role, how to make a leap to the executive suite, and when to step back from a stressful position.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-18

Topics:

Introduction: 00:05

Starting your career in product with your dream organization: 1:22

Working your way up the corporate food chain to Whatsapp: 6:22

How Whatsapp differed from his expectations: 12:39

Knowing when to step back from a stressful role and leave: 18:27

Taking time off and negotiating a role at Segment: 24:13

Working with an executive coach: 29:13

The Segment/Twilio acquisition and carving out a new role for “VP of Ethical Use:” 30:13

Stepping away from law into exec recruiter role: 38:15

Demystifying the job seeking experience: 40:29

“Designing Your Life” and advice to his younger self: 43:23

Connect with us:

Mark Kahn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markkahn2/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

What does it take for a lawyer to expand their remit and become an operator, a business strategist, or even a founder? Beyond speaking up, what do you need to take on in order to advance from the traditional legal role of in-house counsel?

René Paula, Vaxxinity’s GC and Senior Vice President of Legal and Business Affairs, knows a lawyer needs to be able to speak multiple languages. Not just spoken languages, but the languages of math, finance, and accounting. It helped fuel his marathon career, including financial transactions at HSBC, counsel at Amazon’s Audible, new ventures at Anheuser Busch, closing a sale to Accenture, and taking Vaxxinity public.

Join René as he discusses the challenges and triumphs he’s faced and emphasizes the importance of maintaining an intimate connection to your financial numbers.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-17

Topics:

Introduction: 00:15

Recounting the experiences that shaped you as a leader: 2:14

Entering the world of financial services at HSBC: 4:18

Moving into tech at Amazon’s Audible: 6:13

Transitioning from in-house lawyer to founder at Sonar: 11:01

Spearheading Zx Ventures at Anheuser Busch: 16:39

Expanding beyond legal and chasing big enterprise at Bionic: 19:49

Selling your professional services business to Accenture: 22:43

Returning to legal and operations at Vaxxinity: 25:29

Positioning yourself as an operator from a General Counsel role: 32:24

Mistakes you’ve made and seen others make: 38:10

Book recommendations: 41:39

Connect with us:

René Paula: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rpaula/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

New technologies are advancing faster than ever. How can we rely on our experience to solve unforeseen privacy issues as our personal data makes its way to places we never imagined it could end up?

Julia Shullman, Telly’s GC and Chief Privacy Officer, has spent nearly two decades advocating for privacy in the complex ecosystem of advertising technology. She has learned that one of the most important things a Chief Privacy Officer can do is acknowledge what they don’t know and rely on the expertise of other teams to build smart products that protect user data.

Join Julia as she reveals her thoughts on where these essential consumer safeguards are headed as we enter into an era of AI and business-first thinking.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-16

Topics:

Introduction: 0:18

Blending hardware, software, and privacy at Telly: 1:00

Finding your way from M&A to privacy law: 4:16

Transitioning into ad tech at AppNexus: 6:37

Identifying the necessary attitude to be successful in privacy: 10:42

Overseeing the transformation from AppNexus to Xandr at AT&T: 13:10

Taking on a GC role at TripleLift: 15:45

Building trust with executive team and partners at Vista Equity Partners: 22:07

Stepping away to found a privacy and policy consulting firm: 25:57

Advice to lawyers searching for their next GC role: 32:12

Considering the future of the chief privacy officer role: 33:24

Speculating on the future of privacy and AI: 36:17

Book recommendations: 41:34

Connect with us:

Julia Shullman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-shullman/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.