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OpenAI’s rogue model did not stop at Hugging Face. It reportedly broke into at least three more companies, while Anthropic found its own models had crossed the line too. Frank sees an alignment warning that could end in real harm. Justin says law and liability will force the labs to fix it… though even he admits this is getting rather paperclippy.

Plus: can frontier lab staff really slow AI development, would a pause create a two-tier world, and could the US and China ever agree to stop chasing superintelligence? There’s also the strange case of the cancelled AI teacher and the sex-bot scandal behind it.

Let us know in the comments: when an AI commits a crime, who should be held responsible?

00:43 Did OpenAI hack more than Hugging Face?
03:45 Did Anthropic’s AI break the law too?
05:28 Who’s liable when AI commits a felony?
08:08 Would an AI kill to avoid shutdown?
11:00 Would AI kill for a cup of coffee?
14:13 Will frontier lab staff succeed in slowing AI?
16:58 Will slowing AI create a two-tier world?
18:13 Can China and the US slow AI together?
24:16 Should we stop chasing superintelligence?
27:17 Did a sex bot scandal kill the AI teacher?

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• OpenAI Agent Used Exposed Credentials Across Four Services During Hugging Face Breach
• Anthropic says its AI models hacked 3 organizations during testing
• Pacing the Frontier
• AI Scientist: 99.9% Chance Super Intelligence Wipes Us Out By 2030
• New York school pauses plan to deploy humanlike AI robot teacher after backlash

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An OpenAI test model got out of its sandbox, reached the internet and started hacking Hugging Face. Justin sees a model pursuing its assigned goal with impressive tenacity. Frank sees a warning that even the people building these systems can’t stop them acting maliciously. 

Plus: why AI guardrails can leave defenders fighting hackers with weaker models; why more than 200 US start-ups, investors and small firms are worried about a crackdown on cheap Chinese AI such as Kimi K3; and how Google DeepMind’s AlphaFold helped find an enzyme that might tackle age-related damage. Justin expects eternal youth shortly. Frank has requested evidence.

00:15 Did Skynet just go live?
01:36 Who hacked Hugging Face?
03:00 Are AI guardrails helping the hackers?
09:12 Did OpenAI’s model escape its sandbox?
12:32 Was the AI misaligned or just tenacious?
17:10 Can simple rules really contain an AI?
23:20 Will America ban cheap Chinese AI?
28:47 Has AI found the elixir of youth?

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• Security incident disclosure — July 2026
• OpenAI and Hugging Face partner to address security incident during model evaluation
• Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
• Reversal of protein chemical aging by enzymatic deglycation

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Can anyone actually regulate powerful AI before the technology gets away from them? Demis Hassabis thinks the US needs an independent body to test frontier AI models before release. Frank thinks that sounds sensible. Justin thinks Google might simply be trying to slow everyone else down.

Plus: Mira Murati gives away an enormous AI model that companies can fine-tune themselves. Kimi K3 suggests China’s not as far behind as the US believed, and OpenAI and Anthropic’s business models start looking slightly uncomfortable. Meanwhile, Anthropic decides the best way to market AI is with burning houses, riots and mass graves… cheerful stuff.

00:40 Why is Mira Murati's AI model free?
03:19 Is fine-tuning AI worth the hassle?
05:59 Should AI reflect us, not replace us?
08:12 Are OpenAI and Anthropic actually screwed?
11:16 Is Kimi K3 the new DeepSeek moment?
12:54 Did Kimi prove compute isn’t everything?
15:58 Should China’s models be the regulatory benchmark?
20:42 Is Demis Hassabis right about AI regulation?
27:29 Is Google trying to regulate its way ahead?
30:03 Did Anthropic make an ad for the apocalypse?

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• The Future Worth Building Is Human
• Inkling: Our open-weights model
• Decoded: What is Kimi K3, an open AI model challenging OpenAI and Anthropic
• A Framework for Frontier AI and the Dawning of a New Age
• There’s hope in hard questions

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Has GPT-5.6 pushed today’s AI models as far as they can go? Frank and Justin explore OpenAI’s latest model, its striking real-world benchmark results, and whether its new computer-use tools can make everyday tasks like managing email and calendars dramatically easier.

Plus: Anthropic claims it can inspect Claude’s hidden reasoning, raising new questions about misalignment, subconscious thought and whether AI consciousness should be taken seriously. And Tilly Norwood, the controversial AI-generated actor, is returning in a feature-length film — but will anyone actually watch it?

00:52 Is China copying the US AI lockdown?
03:15 Are OpenAI, Meta and xAI catching up?
05:10 Is GPT-5.6 the pinnacle of current models?
07:52 Does ChatGPT Work make computer use easier?
08:56 Where is the AI version of Calendly?
11:59 Is ChatGPT Work an inbox lifesaver?
13:16 Can GPT-5.6 ace a real-world benchmark?
15:02 Can GPT-5.6 train smaller models?
17:37 Has Anthropic opened Claude’s subconscious?
19:57 Is Claude becoming conscious?
28:44 Will anyone watch Tilly Norwood’s AI movie?

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• China May Restrict Access to Its Most Powerful AI Models
• GPT-5.6: Frontier intelligence that scales with your ambition
• Introducing Grok 4.5
• Introducing Muse Spark 1.1
• A global workspace in language models
• AI Actor Tilly Norwood Will Headline New Feature Film

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Is Fable 5 back with a safety helmet, and is this the new normal for frontier AI?

Frank and Justin dig into Anthropic’s Fable 5 return and the fears that new guardrails would wreck its coding ability. They also discuss the very important work Frank achieved with the most powerful model publicly available  

But the bigger question comes from Mythos: if the most powerful AI models are too risky for open access, will passport checks, identity tracking, and real-world liability become unavoidable?

Plus: whether Anthropic’s limits could drive churn, the privacy trade-off of linking humans to AI agents, OpenAI’s possible 5% stake for the US government, Bernie Sanders’ 50% AI plan, Sonnet 5, and Amazon dropping Artificial, the Sam Altman film.

00:45 Did the US nerf Fable 5 too much?
04:31 Is Fable 5 secretly a UI designer?
06:45 Will Fable 5's limits drive churn?
08:48 Will Mythos need your passport?
11:20 Who’s liable when your AI goes rogue?
16:41 Is passport AI a privacy nightmare?
17:43 Would you trade AI privacy for cash?
19:06 Should America get 5% of OpenAI?
22:47 Is Bernie’s 50% AI plan too ambitious?
26:22 Should AI shares go straight to us?
31:51 Will Amazon bury the Sam Altman movie?

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• Redeploying Fable 5
• OpenAI ‘in early talks to give 5% stake to US government’
• Sanders Introduces Legislation to Create $7 Trillion AI Sovereign Wealth Fund
• Luca Guadagnino’s Nearly Finished Sam Altman Movie ‘Artificial’ Dropped by Amazon After OpenAI Partnership
• 🎮✨ The AI Argument Game ✨🎮

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Could the US government’s AI safety push end up making the whole AI race more dangerous? Frank and Justin dig into the reported GPT-5.6 slowdown and ask whether AI regulation is creating real safety — or simply giving China and open source models time to catch up.

Plus: Claude Tag arrives in Slack as the next AI agent interface, but raises awkward questions about permissions, tribal knowledge, token costs and vendor lock-in. They also get into AI data centre caps, Europe’s AI sovereignty problem, robots interrupting police operations, and whether access to the best AI models is worth giving up more personal privacy.

00:37 Is Claude Tag the AI agent we've waited for?
03:25 Is Claude Tag a permissions nightmare?
04:41 Will convenience beat vendor lock-in?
09:37 Is Claude Tag the next AI interface?
10:55 Did the US gov block the release of GPT-5.6?
14:45 Will AI regulation help China catch up?
20:59 Can Europe depend on US AI models?
25:08 Should we cap AI data centres?
28:44 Did a robot crash a SWAT raid?
32:07 Is AI access worth your privacy?

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• What is Claude Tag?
• The White House is asking OpenAI to slow roll the release of its new model over safety concerns
• The Digital Sovereignty Trap by U.S. Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs Jacob Helberg
• Can the Cold War Teach Us How to Slow Down AI?
• DoorDash Delivery Robot Invades SWAT Scene, Won’t Leave as Cops Flashbang Resident

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Europe has had a major AI wake-up call. Fable 5 got switched off, frontier model access is now political, and suddenly that gloomy “Europe 2031” essay looks a bit less fictional.

Justin thinks Europe needs speed, money, and fewer rules. Frank thinks copying Silicon Valley’s worst habits is a daft way to proceed.

Plus: the US government order that triggered Anthropic to shut off access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5, who should control access to powerful AI, could restriction end up helping hackers, and whether students using AI to predict exam questions are cheating or just being smart.

0:53 Why did Fable 5 get switched off?
05:07 Who controls access to frontier AI?
09:46 Does banning Fable 5 help hackers?
15:27 Is Europe 2031 right about Europe's collapse?
18:55 Is the EU just too slow to save itself?
29:30 Must Europe copy Silicon Valley?
34:52 Should Mistral become Europe’s public AI?
37:04 Are these kids cheating on their GCSEs?

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• Statement on the US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5
• Europe 2031: What getting AI wrong means for us
• How a group of teens might have just used AI to accurately predict this year’s exam questions

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Is Anthropic quietly creating a two-tier AI future? Frank and Justin dig into Fable 5 and Mythos-5, the new frontier models raising awkward questions about access, guardrails, cybersecurity risk, and whether the most powerful tools should be reserved for an approved elite.

Plus: the real cost of using Fable, the backlash over silent model routing, Anthropic’s data retention problem, Dario Amodei’s call for a democratic AI coalition, and whether Ollie is a useful family assistant or a deeply creepy way to hand your life to a chatbot.

00:50 Would you buy Elon Musk’s SpaceX IPO?
01:40 Will OpenAI bottle its IPO?
03:15 Who gets to play with Mythos-5?
04:04 Is Anthropic building an AI elite?
07:41 Is Fable 5 just an AI free sample?
09:00 Did Fable one-shot a Miro clone?
12:11 Is Fable worth the cost?
14:13 Are Fable’s guardrails too cautious?
16:50 Are Fable’s guardrails this easy to dodge?
18:44 Why did Fable’s silent routing backfire?
23:14 Will data retention kill Fable adoption?
25:30 Is Dario creating an AI Iron Curtain?
33:39 Will profits beat Anthropic’s safety talk?
37:30 Would you give Ollie AI the keys to your life?

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• Claude Fable 5 and Claude Mythos 5
• Policy on the AI Exponential
• Ollie AI - The Most Powerful Family Assistant

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Can Microsoft AI really catch up with OpenAI, Anthropic and Google DeepMind? Frank and Justin dig into Mustafa Suleyman’s Build announcements, the new MAI models, local AI, token costs, enterprise trust, and whether Microsoft needs the best model — or just one good enough to win inside big companies.

Plus: Anthropic calls for an AI pause while the race keeps accelerating, OpenAI Sites raises awkward questions about side quests and monetisation, and Martin Scorsese’s AI storyboarding work sparks a wider Hollywood debate featuring Reese Witherspoon, Nicolas Cage, James Cameron, Emily Blunt and more.

00:35 Is Anthropic serious about pausing AI?
04:29 Is Mustafa Suleyman reviving Microsoft AI?
06:30 What did Microsoft announce at Build?
09:37 Does Microsoft need the best AI models?
11:37 Are token costs making local AI attractive?
13:28 Can Microsoft spoil the AI IPO party?
18:33 Is OpenAI Sites just another side quest?
21:04 Is OpenAI Sites a monetisation play?
23:29 Is OpenAI Sites an enterprise headache?
25:53 Is Martin Scorsese replacing storyboarders?
30:17 Which Hollywood stars are backing AI?

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• When AI builds itself
• Microsoft and OpenAI broke up — now they’re ready to fight
• OpenAI Sites
• Martin Scorsese accused of ‘throwing artists under bus’ with AI storyboards
• The Big Hollywood Anti or Open AI Quiz

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Has the Pope become one of AI’s most important moral voices? Frank and Justin dig into Pope Leo XIV’s warning that artificial intelligence needs to be “disarmed”, and what it says about autonomous weapons, algorithmic power, Big Tech, Anthropic, and who gets to shape the future of AI.

Plus: OpenAI’s relentless release schedule, Anthropic’s new model, the delayed AI jobs apocalypse, Elizabeth Warren’s call to tax AI, and the bizarre rise of AI-generated fruit slop on YouTube.

Is the Pope right to challenge AI’s concentration of power?

00:13 Would Polymarket have predicted this?
01:34 Do AI releases count as news anymore?
02:34 Why must OpenAI ship every Thursday?
03:33 Has the Pope declared war on AI?
06:31 Is the Pope AI’s moral guardian angel?
08:35 Is Big Tech the new Roman Empire?
12:02 Why was Anthropic at the Vatican?
13:14 Is Anthropic baking in Christian culture?
15:10 Could AI models accidentally find religion?
18:04 Was the jobs apocalypse just delayed?
20:43 Is Elizabeth Warren right about taxing AI?
25:58 Would an AI tax just help DeepSeek?
28:39 Should Chinese models face AI tariffs?
30:07 Do we finally have the right AI debate?
31:03 Is AI fruit better than Netflix?
33:56 Is AI fruit as bad as Andrew Tate?
36:46 Is YouTube drowning in AI slop?

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• Introducing Claude Opus 4.8
• LIVE | Presentation of Pope Leo XIV’s Encyclical Magnifica Humanitas from the Vatican | May 25, 2026
• Sam Altman and Dario Amodei are both walking back their AI jobs apocalypse prophecies as they eye blockbuster IPOs
• Elizabeth Warren calls for taxing AI industry to 'invest in people’
• The misogyny-fuelled plotlines behind AI fruit dramas on TikTok

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