The man, the myth, the legend and super-cool guy Page Hamilton joins ask ostensibly to talk about making the Betty album but we also talk about (in order): George Floyd killings, Trump, Waco, seeing a dead body, Helmet on MTV, their non-image, the Betty album cover, his home studio, cancelled tours, the upcoming Helmet documentary, visiting Australia, releasing the Big Day Out live show, working with T Ray, forming Helmet, Sonic Youth, getting into jazz, revisiting the classic albums, guitars, the Judgment night soundtrack.