What happens after the psychedelic journey? How do we honor the wisdom, clarity, or lessons that arise — especially when they come through profound pain?

In this powerful episode, I sit down with integrative psychotherapist, artist, and author Deborah Kadagian to explore the often overlooked — but essential — process of integration.

Deborah shares her deeply personal story of losing her son, Sean, to a tragic fentanyl overdose — a loss that came as a complete shock and did not reflect his lifestyle. In the aftermath of unimaginable grief, Deborah turned to creativity, community, and psychedelics — including psilocybin, ayahuasca, and iboga — to begin transmuting her pain into something meaningful.

Together, we explore:

• Why integration is everything in psychedelic work

• How community and creativity become lifelines in grief

• The importance of making space to express the gifts you receive during a psychedelic journey

• The reality that grief is not something to "fix" — but something to move with

• The promise of plant medicines like iboga in healing opioid addiction

This conversation is for anyone navigating loss, exploring psychedelics, or simply wondering how to carry what they've learned in altered states back into their everyday life. Grief, like psychedelics, opens us — and what we do with that opening is where the real work begins.

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