In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Ian Gardner, founder and CEO of The Acraya, about dark retreats as an ancient contemplative practice now entering Western culture.

This episode is sponsored by The Acraya.

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Ian explains what happens when external stimulation disappears, why boredom and difficult inner material can become central parts of the experience, and how dark retreats compare with psychedelics and extended meditation. He also discusses screening, facilitator training, post-retreat integration, and his vision for technologically supported retreat centers in Costa Rica, Nepal, Bali, and beyond.

Episode Highlights:

• Ancient roots of dark retreat practice
• What remains when sensory anchors disappear
• Psychedelics versus gradual inner awakening
• Boredom as a gateway to deeper material
• Preparing for several days in darkness
• Why facilitators need embodied experience
• Screening for psychological contraindications
• Technology designed to support retreat safety
• Integrating before returning to ordinary life
• Scaling dark retreat centers worldwide

Ian Gardner is the founder and CEO of The Acraya, a network of dark meditation retreat sanctuaries. A seasoned entrepreneur, he has founded and exited five companies across biotechnology, renewable energy, and electric vehicles in private and public markets.

While earning his MBA from the University of California, Los Angeles, Ian was introduced to yoga and meditation. He later explored Transcendental Meditation, Self-Realization Fellowship, Eckankar, Mudrashram, and the Bridge Path. In 2001, he traveled to Allahabad, India, for the Maha Kumbh Mela before entering a year of seclusion, during which he meditated for up to eight hours daily.

Ian has written six books related to esoteric teachings and spent two years working at the Esalen Institute. In 2023, he founded the Church of the Acraya to support the development of dark meditation retreat centers worldwide. He lives in Scottsdale, Arizona, with his wife and children and maintains a daily meditation practice.

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• The Psychedelic Practitioner Certification by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes TOMS founder Blake Mycoskie for an honest conversation about depression, psychedelics, recovery, and the lifelong need to prove his worth.

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Blake explains how an early ayahuasca experience gave him the sense that he had already done enough, even though he had not yet learned to feel that he was enough. He shares what followed after selling TOMS, including a profound depression, a psychiatric diagnosis he later came to question, four medications, and a carefully supported nine-month taper.

Paul and Blake also discuss the daily meditation practice that helped reshape his relationship with self-worth, the return of his entrepreneurial energy, his $100 million commitment to psychedelic research and access, and why the future of psychedelic care will require scalable integration, group support, and careful use of emerging AI tools.

Blake Mycoskie is the founder of TOMS and creator of the One for One movement, which provided more than 100 million pairs of shoes to children in need. After selling TOMS and navigating a profound depression, he founded WE ARE ENOUGH, a movement supporting mental health organizations and challenging the belief that worth depends on achievement. Blake is also the host of the No Magic Pill podcast and has pledged $100 million to psychedelic research and access. Today, he brings his renewed entrepreneurial energy to ventures including Morning Water and Moovlab.

Highlights:

• Building TOMS through the One for One model
• Ayahuasca and the feeling of having done enough
• Depression, misdiagnosis, and psychiatric medication tapering
• Reworking the belief of never being enough
• Entrepreneurship and purpose after recovery
• Funding psychedelic research and access
• Scaling integration through group support
• AI therapy and psychedelic integration

Episode Links:

• Blake's Website: https://blakemycoskie.com/
• We Are Enough: https://weareenough.co/
• No Magic Pill: https://nomagicpill.com/
• Morning Water: https://morningwater.co/

Episode Sponsors:

• The Psychedelic Practitioner Certification by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this solo episode, Paul F. Austin offers a candid introduction to 5-MeO-DMT, one of the shortest and most intense psychedelic experiences.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-365/?ref=278

Paul distinguishes synthetic 5-MeO-DMT from Bufo, compares it with N,N-DMT and psilocybin, and examines the risks that social media narratives often leave out. He also explores low-dose versus breakthrough work, nervous system readiness, medication interactions, facilitator screening, reactivations, ecological responsibility, and why integration may matter far more than the experience itself.

Paul F. Austin is an entrepreneur, educator, and pioneer in the psychedelic field. He is the founder of Third Wave, a leading platform dedicated to psychedelic education, and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute, which trains coaches and practitioners to responsibly support psychedelic experiences and integration. As host of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul has interviewed hundreds of researchers, clinicians, Indigenous wisdom keepers, entrepreneurs, and cultural innovators. His work focuses on psychedelics, leadership, personal development, mental health, and cultural transformation.

Highlights:

• 5-MeO-DMT beyond the social media hype
• Synthetic 5-MeO-DMT versus Bufo
• How 5-MeO differs from N,N-DMT
• Low-dose work versus complete ego dissolution
• Why nervous system readiness matters
• Medication interactions and physical safety
• How to evaluate a 5-MeO facilitator
• Why integration outlasts the experience

Episode Links:

• The Psychedelic Practitioner Certification by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Third Wave's Ultimate Guide to 5-MeO-DMT

Disclaimer: This content is for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only. We do not promote or encourage the illegal use of any controlled substances. Nothing said here is medical or legal advice. Always consult a qualified medical or mental health professional before making decisions related to your health. The views expressed herein belong to the speaker alone, and do not reflect the views of any other person, company, or organization.

In this special replay of a past Psychedelic Coaching Institute webinar, Paul F. Austin is joined by Victoria J. Cvitanovic, attorney and leader of the Psychedelic Medicine and AI Governance practices at Rudick Law Group, for a practical conversation on how AI is reshaping psychedelic practice.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-364/?ref=278

Together, Paul and Victoria explore why psychedelic content can get flagged online, how automated moderation systems are changing what practitioners can safely post, and why educational content may still be misread by platforms like Meta. They also discuss payment processor risk, account freezes, client data privacy, AI note-taking tools, website compliance, and the legal nuance practitioners need to understand before building or growing their work online.

Victoria J. Cvitanovic is a psychedelic medicine, cannabis, wellness, and tech attorney. In addition to her law degree, Victoria holds CIPP-US and AIGP certifications from the International Association of Privacy Professionals. She leads the Psychedelic Medicine and AI Governance practices at Rudick Law Group, where she also serves as the firm's Data Privacy Officer. Her work covers cybersecurity, data privacy, AI governance, regulatory compliance, corporate formation, licensing, and healthcare integration.

Highlights:

• AI moderation and psychedelic content
• Why psychedelic posts get flagged online
• Posting about psychedelics responsibly
• Payment processors and risk reviews
• What to do when funds freeze
• Data privacy in client work
• AI tools and practitioner liability
• Website compliance basics

Episode Links:

• Rudick Law Group
• Psychedelic Coaching Institute

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by The Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Steven C. Hayes, Ph.D., originator of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, creator of Relational Frame Theory, and one of the most cited psychologists in the world.

Full Show Notes: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-363/?ref=278

Hayes reflects on his early experiences in the Summer of Love, why psychedelics were never meant to be treated as a party, and how those formative explorations helped shape his lifelong work on psychological flexibility. Paul and Steven explore what psychedelics can reveal about the nature of self, the role of preparation and context in safe outcomes, and why psychedelic therapy must not be reduced to a patented, "script and go" biomedical model. Their conversation also examines ACT, trauma, attachment, group experience, spiritual community, and the importance of honoring each person's unique path rather than forcing transformation into averages, labels, or protocols.

Steven C. Hayes, Ph.D., is a Nevada Foundation Professor of Psychology Emeritus at the University of Nevada, Reno and President of the Institute for Better Health, a 45-year-old charitable organization that promotes quality in mental and behavioral health services. He is the originator of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, creator of Relational Frame Theory, and a co-developer of Process-Based Therapy. Hayes has authored nearly 750 scientific articles and 48 books, including Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life and A Liberated Mind. His methods are distributed worldwide by the World Health Organization and other major scientific agencies, and are commonly used in psychedelic-assisted therapy. His TEDx talks and blogs have been viewed or read by more than five million people, and he is among the most cited psychologists in the world.

Highlights:

• Psychedelics as tools of the mind
• The Summer of Love's unfinished lessons
• Self as context and spiritual awareness
• Why good trips feel like coming home
• ACT as psychological flexibility
• Preparation, safety, and lasting change
• The danger of "script and go" psychedelics
• Group ceremony and relational healing
• Particularity, averages, and human uniqueness
• Psychedelics beyond the therapy frame

Episode Links:

• Steven's Website
• Steven on Medium
• Steven Instagram
• Steven on Linkedin

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this conversation, Paul F. Austin speaks with Dr. Dave Rabin, neuroscientist, board-certified psychiatrist, and co-founder of Apollo Neuroscience, about one of the most important questions in psychedelic work: why do some journeys become overwhelming, destabilizing, or difficult to integrate?

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-362/?ref=278

Dave explains why safety is not just a matter of set, setting, or a strong screening form. It is a physiological state in the nervous system. Together, Paul and Dave explore how fear, trauma, and dysregulation can shape a person's ability to receive and process a psychedelic experience, and why preparation must include a deeper understanding of the body.

The conversation also covers pre-session nervous system assessment, vagus nerve activity, HRV, haptic vibration, breathwork, therapeutic touch, consent, and the role of tools like Apollo Neuro in helping clients feel safe enough to surrender, process, and integrate.

Dr. David Rabin, MD, PhD, is a neuroscientist, board-certified psychiatrist, health-tech entrepreneur, and inventor who has studied the impact of chronic stress in humans for more than a decade. He is the co-founder and Chief Innovation Officer at Apollo Neuroscience, and co-founder and executive director of the Board of Medicine, a nonprofit organization establishing evidence-based clinical guidelines for the safe use of unregulated alternative medicines, including plant medicines. His research focuses on non-invasive therapies for treatment-resistant conditions, trauma recovery, psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, and the neurobiology of belief. Highlights:

• Why safety is physiological
• Beyond set and setting
• How fear interrupts healing
• Pre-session nervous system assessment
• MDMA and the safety cascade
• Haptic vibration and soothing touch
• HRV as a preparation signal
• Breathwork for embodied regulation
• Consent and therapeutic touch
• Scaling safe psychedelic care

Episode Links:

• Apollo Neuro
• Dr. Dave Rabin on Instagram
• Dr. Dave's Book, "A Simple Guide to Being Alive"

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin sits down with Dr. Stefanie Kleine, psychospiritual coach, author of BE THE WORK, and co-founder of The Sacred House of Eden, to explore the hidden wound that often drives achievement and why lasting transformation happens on the level of being rather than doing.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-361/?ref=278

Drawing on more than two decades of experience coaching executives, founders, athletes, physicians, and other high performers, Stefanie shares how her first psychedelic experience revealed the pattern beneath a lifetime of accomplishment and opened a path toward deeper self-acceptance. She explains her framework of grasping versus generative desire, the Be-Do-Have inversion, and why many personal growth and wellness practices can unintentionally reinforce the same striving they aim to heal.

The conversation also explores psychedelic integration, Internal Family Systems-informed coaching, conscious leadership, nervous system regulation, AI and human connection, and what it means to move from proving your worth to inhabiting it. Throughout, Stefanie offers a grounded perspective on why ceremony is only the beginning and how true transformation unfolds through the choices we make afterward.

Dr. Stefanie Kleine is a psychospiritual coach, guide, and author who has spent more than 23 years coaching executives, founders, attorneys, physicians, athletes, and other high performers. She holds a master's degree and PhD in psychology and is the co-founder of The Sacred House of Eden, one of the leading psychedelic retreat centers in the United States. Since 2018, she has guided more than 1,600 ceremonies and integration processes. Her work centers on what she calls the Be-Do-Have Inversion: the shift from human doing to human being. She is the author of BE THE WORK: The Shift from Human Doing to Human Being and has been featured in Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal, and Forbes.

Highlights:

• The wound beneath high achievement
• Stefanie's first psychedelic awakening
• Grasping versus generative desire
• Why transformation happens on the being level
• The Be-Do-Have inversion
• Psychedelic integration beyond ceremony
• Internal Family Systems and coaching
• Conscious leadership after psychedelic work
• AI, humanity, and authentic connection
• Moving from striving to wholeness

Episode Links:

• Dr. Stefanie's website
• The Sacred House of Eden
• "BE THE WORK" book
• Free Guided Meditation by Dr. Stefanie
• Dr. Stefanie on Instagram

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this solo episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin explores one of the most common questions in the psychedelic space: which psilocybin mushroom strain is actually best?

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-360/?ref=278

Moving beyond the search for the "strongest" mushroom, Paul breaks down the factors that truly shape a meaningful experience, including strain selection, potency, preparation methods, storage practices, individual sensitivity, and the critical role of context.

Drawing on years of experience through Third Wave and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute, Paul compares popular strains such as Golden Teacher, Penis Envy, Ghost, Enigma, and Psilocybe natalensis. He also explains why preparation methods like lemon tekking matter, how to think about microdosing versus macrodosing, and why integration remains one of the most important variables in long-term outcomes.

Paul F. Austin is an entrepreneur, educator, and pioneer in the psychedelic field. He is the founder of Third Wave, a leading platform dedicated to psychedelic education, and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute, which trains coaches and practitioners to responsibly support psychedelic experiences and integration. As the host of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul has interviewed hundreds of leading researchers, clinicians, indigenous wisdom keepers, entrepreneurs, and cultural innovators at the forefront of the psychedelic renaissance.

Highlights:

• Why stronger isn't always better
• The myth of the strongest strain
• Golden Teacher vs. Penis Envy
• Understanding Ghost and Enigma
• Psilocybe natalensis explained
• How lemon tek changes the journey
• Why storage affects potency
• Microdosing vs. macrodosing
• Context shapes psychedelic outcomes
• Integration beyond the peak experience

Episode Links:

• Paul on Instagram
• The Psychedelic Podcast
• The Psychedelic Coaching Institute

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

Disclaimer: This content is for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only. We do not promote or encourage the illegal use of any controlled substances. Nothing said here is medical or legal advice. Always consult a qualified medical or mental health professional before making decisions related to your health. The views expressed herein belong to the speaker alone, and do not reflect the views of any other person, company, or organization.

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In this special solo episode, adapted from a recent live training, Paul F. Austin explores one of the most important and often overlooked realities of microdosing: different substances create different outcomes.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-359/?ref=278

Drawing on more than a decade of experience in psychedelic education and coaching, Paul compares psilocybin, LSD, huachuma (San Pedro), ketamine, and iboga through the lens of client goals, nervous system regulation, emotional processing, cognitive performance, and contraindications.

Paul explains why generic microdosing protocols often fall short, how practitioners can better match substances to individual needs, and why context, preparation, and integration matter far more than any single medicine. He also shares why huachuma has become the foundation of the Psychedelic Coaching Institute's microdosing methodology and offers guidance for practitioners looking to support clients with greater precision and care.

Highlights:

• Why generic microdosing protocols can fall short
• How psilocybin supports emotional processing and inner work
• LSD's role in focus, creativity, and physiological performance
• Why huachuma may be especially useful for nervous system regulation
• Ketamine's role in SSRI tapering and clinical support
• Iboga's potential for neurodegenerative conditions and brain injury
• How to match substances to a client's goals and baseline state
• Why contraindications and clinical-grade intake matter
• How microdosing can support post-journey integration
• Why "more medicine" is not always the answer

Episode Links:

• Paul on Instagram
• The Psychedelic Podcast
• The Psychedelic Coaching Institute

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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Third Wave occasionally partners with or shares information about other people, companies, and/or providers. While we work hard to only share information about ethical and responsible third parties, we can't and don't control the behavior of, products and services offered by, or the statements made by people, companies, or providers other than Third Wave. Accordingly, we encourage you to research for yourself, and consult a medical, legal, or financial professional before making decisions in those areas. Third Wave isn't responsible for the statements, conduct, services, or products of third parties. If we share a coupon code, we may receive a commission from sales arising from customers who use our coupon code. No one is required to use our coupon codes.

In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Jason Grechanik, master tabaquero and host of The Universe Within Podcast, for a deep exploration of sacred tobacco as Amazonian plant medicine.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-358/?ref=278

Sacred tobacco is usually understood in the West through the lens of cigarettes, addiction, and commercial misuse. But in Amazonian traditions, Nicotiana rustica is understood very differently: as a master plant, a protector, and a powerful medicine that requires lineage, discernment, and right relationship.

Drawing from nearly a decade of Amazonian immersion and more than 1,000 people guided through plant ceremonies, Jason shares how tobacco is worked with in dieta, ayahuasca ceremony, energetic protection, and direct relationship with plant spirits. Paul and Jason also discuss cannabis, indigenous cosmologies, safety, and what tobacco's history can teach the modern psychedelic movement about power, humility, and proper containers.

Jason Grechanik is a master tabaquero trained in the Mamankunawa tradition under curandero Don Ernesto Garcia Torres. With nearly a decade of Amazonian immersion and more than 1,000 people guided through plant ceremonies, Jason spent many years at the renowned Shipibo healing center Temple of the Way of Light. He is the host of The Universe Within Podcast, with 180+ episodes and 20K+ monthly listeners, co-founder of the Nicotiana Rustica project, and has been featured in DoubleBlind Magazine.

Highlights:

• Jason's path into Amazonian tobacco medicine
• Tobacco beyond commercial cigarettes
• Why tobacco is considered a master plant
• Dieta as direct plant relationship
• Tobacco as portal and protector
• Ayahuasca, diagnosis, and plant doctors
• Safety, toxicity, and proper containers
• Jaguar and hummingbird tobacco archetypes
• Cannabis, dreams, and plant relationship
• Lessons for the psychedelic renaissance

Episode Links:

• The Universe Within Podcast
• Nicotiana Rustica Project
• Jason on Instagram

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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