In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Hunt Priest, founder of Ligare, about Christianity, mysticism, and the ethical integration of psychedelic experience within spiritual life.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-344/?ref=278

They discuss Hunt's participation in a 2016 Johns Hopkins psilocybin study for clergy, Christianity's long history of mystical experience, and how non-ordinary states can be held within ethical and communal containers. The conversation also explores legality versus ethics, justice and institutional risk, and how psychedelics relate to prayer, meditation, and service within a broader spiritual life.

Hunt Priest is a Christian minister and founder of Ligare, a nonprofit exploring the relationship between Christianity and psychedelics. Formerly an Episcopal priest, he works at the intersection of spiritual formation, ethics, and community-based integration of mystical experience.

Highlights:

• Johns Hopkins clergy study
• Christian mysticism and non-ordinary states
• Psychedelics as catalysts for spiritual practice
• Legal versus ethical tensions
• Institutional risk and grace

Episode Links:

• Ligare
• Hunt on Substack

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• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Justin Wolf, co-founder and CEO of New Brew, about plant-based alternatives to alcohol and how social drinking culture may be shifting.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-343/?ref=278

Justin shares how exploring kava and kratom traditions in Mexico shaped New Brew's approach to formulation, emphasizing reliable dosing, transparency, and harm reduction. Together, they discuss why alcohol became the default social drug, the limits of most "functional beverages," and the nuance behind terms like "Cali sober."

The conversation also explores dependency risk, intention, moderation, and why plant-based alternatives are not positioned for those pursuing full abstinence. At its core, this episode is about expanding optionality and building new social rituals responsibly.

Justin Wolf is the co-founder and CEO of New Brew, a plant-powered social tonic designed as an alternative to alcohol. Prior to launching New Brew, Justin spent five years leading Global Partnerships at Google and helped launch DripDrop, an electrolyte hydration brand now sold nationwide. Inspired by kava and kratom traditions he encountered in Mexico, he founded New Brew with a focus on transparency, education, and harm reduction. He is also an early investor and advisor in the psychedelic medicine

Highlights:

• Why alcohol became the default social drug
• The limits of "functional" beverages
• Discovering kava and kratom in Mexico
• Harm reduction through formulation and dosing
• Intention over abstinence or excess
• The nuance behind "Cali sober"
• Building new social rituals responsibly

Episode Link:

• New Brew (use code: THIRDWAVE)

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Dr. Paul Ryder, founding minister of the Congregation for Sacred Practices, about an alternative framework for psychedelic work rooted in spirituality, ritual, and community rather than medicine alone.

Paul Ryder shares how his own experiences led him to treat psychedelics as sacraments, and why he believes the medical model, while valuable, represents only an early phase of the psychedelic renaissance. Together, they explore how CSP operates as both a church and a seminary, training licensed ministers to hold ceremonies ethically, safely, and within a religious legal framework.

The conversation also examines the role of community in long-term transformation, the distinction between therapists and ministers, and why practices like breathwork, meditation, and integration circles are central to spiritual development. Throughout, Ryder offers a grounded perspective on how psychedelics can support not just healing, but maturation, responsibility, and a deeper sense of purpose.

You can find the full episode summary and related resources here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-342/?ref=278

Episode Links

• The Congregation for Sacred Practices

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Jhaimy Alvarez-Acosta, a traditional Andean curandero from Cusco, Peru, about lineage, ceremony, and responsibility within Indigenous wisdom traditions.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-341/?ref=278

They explore Andean cosmology as a living worldview and reframe master plant work as a form of deep education rather than clinical healing. The conversation emphasizes mentorship, initiation through lived experience, and healing as a relational process rooted in land, ancestors, and community.

Maestro Jhaimy Alvarez Acosta has walked the path of Andean wisdom for over thirty years, guiding ceremonies and pilgrimages throughout the Andes and internationally. His work emphasizes humility, relationship, and long-term commitment to lineage-based traditions.

Highlights:

• Fear as a guide rather than an obstacle
• Initiation through lived experience
• Huachuma in Andean tradition
• Roles within Indigenous healing lineages
• Master plants as teachers, not tools
• Healing as acceptance and relationship
• Andean cosmology in the modern world
• Mentorship and community-based learning

Episode Links:

• Children of the Seven Rays
• Heart of the Condor Podcast
• Jhaimy's Instagram
• Microdosing San Pedro for Nervous System Regulation | Traditional vs Modern Protocols

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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Can Europe Legalize Psychedelic Therapy?

In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Théo Giubilei, founder of PsychedeliCare, about how psychedelic therapy could become a public health issue at the European Union level.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-340/?ref=278

They discuss how EU policymaking works, why stigma and political risk continue to shape reform, and the challenges of coordinating psychedelic care across multiple healthcare systems. The conversation also explores why patient testimony and citizen-led advocacy may be essential to shifting public health policy in Europe.

Théo Giubilei is a Brussels-based mental health advocate and founder of the PsychedeliCare European Citizens' Initiative. A graduate in European Politics and Public Affairs from Sciences Po Strasbourg, he previously worked in European public affairs before dedicating himself full-time to psychedelic policy reform. Since 2022, Théo has led a grassroots coalition across all 27 EU member states working to advance safe, legal, and equitable access to psychedelic therapies as a public health issue.

Highlights:

• European Citizens' Initiative explained
• Political and cultural barriers to reform
• Patient testimony in policy debates
• U.S. vs EU access models
• Public funding and coordination

Episode Links:

• PsychedeliCare Initiative
• PsychedeliCare on Instagram

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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African Psychoactive Plants: Dreams, Ancestors, and Healing

In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Jean-Francois Sobiecki, a South African ethnobotanist, clinical nutritionist, and healer whose work challenges the assumption that Africa lacks psychoactive plant traditions.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-339/?ref=278

Drawing from over two decades of research and a 15-year apprenticeship with a Northern Sotho healer, Jean-Francois explores dream-enhancing medicines like Ubulawu, ancestral healing systems, and cross-cultural parallels with Amazonian plant traditions. The conversation also examines conservation, initiation, and the role of African psychoactive plants in global mental health.

Jean-Francois Sobiecki is a South African ethnobotanist, clinical nutritionist, and healer with over two decades of experience researching African psychoactive plant traditions. A research associate at the University of Johannesburg and founder of Phytoalchemy, he has documented more than 300 psychoactive plant species and completed a 15-year apprenticeship under Northern Sotho healer Leti Maponya. He is the author of African Psychoactive Plants: Journeys in Phytoalchemy.

Highlights:

• Challenging myths about African visionary plants
• Ubulawu and dream-based healing
• Psychoactive vs psychedelic distinctions
• African and Amazonian initiation parallels
• Archaeological evidence of psilocybin in Africa
• Conservation and healing gardens

Episode Links:

• Jean-Francois Sobiecki's Website
• Jean-Francois book, African Psychoactive Plants: Journeys in Phytoalchemy

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin sits down with Zach Leary to explore how psychedelic culture has evolved from its countercultural roots into today's rapidly commercializing landscape.

They discuss mysticism versus medicalization, the ethics of psychedelics in capitalist systems, the rise of psychedelic churches, and why integration and responsibility matter more than peak experience alone.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-338/?ref=278

Zach Leary is a psychedelic educator, integration coach, and host of the Psychedelics Then and Now Podcast. He has spent over 30 years immersed in psychedelic culture and is the author of Your Extraordinary Mind, forthcoming from Sounds True.

Highlights:

• Countercultural roots of psychedelics
• Medicalization vs mysticism
• Psychedelics in capitalism
• Set and setting
• Psychedelic churches
• Integration and stewardship

Episode Links:

• Zach Leary Website
• Zach Leary Instagram
• Psychedelics Then and Now Podcast

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule Mushrooms - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin reconnects with computational neurobiologist and author Dr. Andrew Gallimore to explore the mysteries of DMT, intelligence, and extended-state psychedelic technologies.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-337/?ref=278

They revisit themes from their earlier conversation and dive deeper into Andrew's latest book, Death by Astonishment, examining DMT as an information-gating technology, its relationship to non-human intelligences, and its emerging therapeutic and neuroprotective applications.

Andrew also shares updates on DMTx infusion research and reflects on what extended-state experiences could mean for the future of consciousness science and human evolution.

Dr. Andrew Gallimore is a computational neurobiologist, chemical pharmacologist, and writer based in Tokyo. He holds a master's degree in chemical pharmacology and a PhD in biological chemistry from the University of Cambridge, and has completed postdoctoral research fellowships in computational neuroscience at the Universities of York, Oxford, and Okinawa.

For more than two decades, Andrew has studied the neuropharmacology of psychedelics, with a particular focus on DMT and its implications for understanding consciousness. He is the author of Alien Information Theory, Reality Switch Technologies, and Death by Astonishment (St. Martin's Press, 2025). In collaboration with Dr. Rick Strassman, he helped develop the DMTx continuous intravenous infusion protocol for extended journeys in the DMT space.

Highlights:

• Revisiting the brain as an information-gating system
• DMT as a technology rather than a drug
• "Alien intelligences" and what intelligence really means
• The Intelligence Principle and post-biological minds
• Why extended-state DMT (DMTx) matters
• Continuous infusion as deep-sea diving vs. free-diving
• Psychedelics as tools for expanding intelligence
• Non-human entities and "galactic data networks"
• Neuroprotective effects of DMT during stroke
• The future of selective sigma-1 receptor agonists

Episode Links:

• Andrew Gallimore – Building Alien Worlds
• Death by Astonishment (Macmillan)
• Episode 146 with Andrew: DMT, Alien Intelligence, and Transhuman Ascension

Episode Sponsors:

• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Practitioner Certification Program at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule Mushrooms - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Giovanni Bartolomeo, founder of Elemental Rhythm Breathwork, about how breathwork can support meaningful personal change and deepen integration after psychedelic experiences.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-336/?ref=278

Gio shares his journey from high-pressure entrepreneurship into a more grounded, heart-led approach to life and business. He reflects on how Elemental Rhythm emerged through years of breathwork practice, somatic exploration, and deep work with plant medicine, eventually evolving into a system that blends breath, music, movement, meditation, and guided inquiry.

Together, Paul and Gio explore why accessible practices like breathwork can cultivate real agency rather than dependency, how preparation and integration shape long-term change, and what it means to take responsibility for one's own growth in both spiritual and entrepreneurial contexts.

Giovanni Bartolomeo is the founder of Elemental Rhythm Breathwork, where he shares breathwork resources and trains others to facilitate breathwork-based transformational coaching. A lifelong entrepreneur, Gio's own journey through self-discovery led him to create a grounded, embodied approach to personal and professional transformation. Today, he teaches workshops, trainings, and retreats internationally.

Highlights:

• From serial entrepreneur to inner-led leadership
• Growing beyond inherited belief systems
• How Elemental Rhythm emerged through plant medicine work
• Breathwork as a tool for agency and clarity
• Preparation and integration in psychedelic work
• Empowerment versus dependency in facilitation
• Responsibility as a cornerstone of transformation
• Ethical questions in entrepreneurship and healing spaces
• Insights from the Microdosing Practitioner Certification beta
• Daily breathwork and nervous system resilience

Episode Links:

• Elemental Rhythm Breathwork
• Psychedelic Coaching Institute – Microdosing Practitioner Certification

Episode Sponsors:

• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Practitioner Certification Program at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule Mushrooms - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with human connection specialist and Create The Love founder Mark Groves about how psychedelics reveal the hidden patterns shaping our relationships.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-335/?ref=278

Mark shares how heartbreak, honesty, and plant medicine helped him move from external validation to inner truth. Together, they explore emotional safety, attachment wounds, technology's influence on agency, and the growing overlap between relational healing and psychedelic integration.

Mark Groves is a human connection specialist, author, speaker, coach, podcast host, and founder of Create The Love. For over a decade, he has helped individuals and organizations transform relationships through emotional intelligence, self-awareness, and radical honesty.

Highlights:

• Psychedelics and relationship patterns
• Attachment wounds and emotional safety
• Honesty as integration practice
• Technology, agency, and attention
• Personal sovereignty in partnership

Episode Links:

• Mark Groves Website
• Create The Love

Episode Sponsors:

• The Microdosing Practitioner Certification at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• The Practitioner Certification Program at Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
• Golden Rule Mushrooms - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout

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