In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Chen Lizra, founder of the Power of Somatic Intelligence. A somatic coach, TED Speaker, and plant medicine facilitator, Chen bridges embodiment, trauma healing, and shamanic wisdom to help high achievers reconnect with the body's innate intelligence.

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Drawing from her own healing journey and decades of work in the Amazon, Chen shares how somatic intelligence allows us to regulate the nervous system, dissolve ancestral imprints, and reclaim authentic power. She and Paul explore how movement, breath, and plant medicine can open pathways to emotional mastery and feminine embodiment.

Chen Lizra is the founder of The Power of Somatic Intelligence, a somatic coach, TED Speaker, professional dancer, and plant medicine facilitator helping high achievers heal their nervous systems and release emotional blocks. With more than 30 years of experience blending embodiment, somatics, and shamanic wisdom, Chen guides clients toward inner alignment and authentic expression. She also leads retreats in the Amazon with a shamanic maestra, combining plant medicine, dieta, and somatic coaching for deep transformation.

Highlights:

• How trauma lives in the body—and how to release it
• The five pillars of somatic intelligence
• Why nervous system regulation precedes spiritual awakening
• Integrating shamanic plant medicine with embodiment work
• Healing ancestral imprints through somatic awareness
• Balancing divine feminine energy and grounded power
• Moving from survival patterns to inner alignment
• The art of "feeling safe enough to feel"

Episode Links:

• Power of Somatic Intelligence
• Chen's Ayahuasca & Somatic Healing Retreat – Mention 'Third Wave Special' for $300 off.

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin sits down with Jeff Stevens and David Shisel, co-founders of Psyched Wellness, the first publicly traded company in North America to bring an Amanita muscaria extract to market.

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Together, they discuss the mushroom's unique pharmacology, Psyched Wellness' multi-year path through Health Canada's safety testing, and the broader implications for the future of functional fungi. Paul also explores the tension between innovation and regulation, as Jeff and David share insights from operating in the gray area between supplements and psychedelics.

Jeff Stevens and David Shisel are the co-founders of Psyched Wellness. With backgrounds spanning capital markets, legal compliance, and product development, they've led the effort to bring Amanita muscaria into mainstream wellness through rigorous science and education.

Highlights:

• Understanding Amanita muscaria's active compounds
• Why Health Canada approval took three years
• How Psyched Wellness rebranded a controversial mushroom
• What separates Amanita from psilocybin
• Legal gray zones and ethical entrepreneurship
• Microdosing Amanita: early findings and consumer safety
• Building trust through transparency and research

Episode Links:

• Psyched Wellness
• Episode 197 with Jeff: Decoding Amanita muscaria: A New Era of Mushroom Healing

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Jay Fiset, best-selling author and founder of The Psychedelic Coach Accelerator.

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Jay shares how psychedelics have transformed his marriage, business, and view of leadership—offering a look into what he calls Functional Psychedelics, a practice of intentionally using medicine to expand awareness, connection, and creativity. Together they discuss how to hold trauma-informed space, translate insights into everyday leadership, and why integration is the true measure of transformation.

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Jay Fiset is a psychedelic educator, advocate, and guide. A best-selling author, global speaker, and mastermind mentor, he has helped thousands of entrepreneurs expand both their businesses and consciousness. Through The Connection Experience and The Psychedelic Coach Accelerator, Jay and his wife Cory train psychedelic guides and coaches to integrate medicine work into leadership and relational growth.

Highlights: • What "Functional Psychedelics" really means • How couples' journeys deepen emotional intelligence • Integration as innovation in business • The importance of trauma-informed facilitation • Building ethical, scalable psychedelic leadership • Balancing achievement with embodiment • Why business can be a spiritual practice

Episode Links:

• The Psychedelic Coach Accelerator (Use Code THIRDWAVE for a special discount)
• The Connection Experience
• Integrate In Between Guide Certification

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Elina Teboul, author of Feminine Intelligence: Visionary Leaders Reshaping Business. A former corporate attorney turned leadership coach, Elina explores how psychedelics and altered states can reconnect leaders to empathy, purpose, and environmental stewardship.

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Drawing on her background in law, psychology, and mindfulness, Elina shares how "feminine intelligence" can help leaders balance logic with intuition and reimagine business through love, creativity, and service.

Elina Teboul is a leadership expert and executive coach with degrees in psychology and law from Columbia University. She founded Light Up Lab, serves as an executive coach with The Preston Associates, and sits on the advisory board of the Earth Law Center. Her work bridges corporate leadership with spiritual and ecological awareness, offering a transformative model for conscious capitalism.

Highlights:

• From Big Law to psychedelic leadership
• Integrating empathy and purpose in business
• Psychedelics as tools for wholeness
• Positive psychology for high-stress professions
• Conscious capitalism and planetary stewardship
• Ethical frameworks for psychedelics at work

Episode Links

• Elina's Website
• Book: Feminine Intelligence

Episode Sponsor

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Dr. Conor H. Murray, a neuroscientist at UCLA whose research explores how psychedelics affect the brain.

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Conor shares insights from his placebo-controlled LSD microdosing study revealing measurable increases in neural complexity, suggesting unique neurological benefits even at sub-perceptual doses. He and Paul discuss what these findings mean for depression, addiction, and brain plasticity, as well as the future of citizen neuroscience through Conor's platform Psynautics. They also touch on his ongoing psilocybin study for cocaine use disorder and why low-dose research may hold keys to understanding consciousness itself.

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Conor Murray is a neuroscientist specializing in altered states of consciousness at UCLA. He is also the founder of Psynautics, the world's first citizen neuroscientist platform built for testing hypotheses related to altered states of mind and brain, from meditation to microdosing. His scientific expertise spans from the neurobiology of addiction to the effects of cannabis and psychedelics on the brain.

Highlights

• How Dr. Murray entered psychedelic research by chance
• What LSD microdosing reveals about neural complexity
• The "sweet spot" around 13 micrograms for mental clarity
• Why placebo effects don't fully explain brain changes
• Microdosing vs macrodosing in neuroplastic outcomes
• BDNF, inflammation, and the mechanisms of healing
• Psilocybin's potential for cocaine use disorder
• How environment influences addiction and relapse
• The rise of citizen neuroscience and DIY EEG studies
• Where psychedelic science is headed next

Episode Links

• Conor H. Murray, PhD Personal website
• Psynautics (Citizen Neuroscience Project)
• Psynautics Microdosing Study (Use code WAVE3 to receive 10% off your study kit)

Episode Sponsors

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Jay Campbell, five-time bestselling author, men's physique champion, and founder of BioLongevity Labs.

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Together they explore how peptides, hormones, and energy form a new model of regenerative health. Jay explains how these signaling molecules work at the cellular level and why coherence and self-awareness are essential to sustainable vitality. The discussion bridges scientific rigor with personal transformation—redefining what it means to be "optimized."

Jay Campbell is a bestselling author, athlete, and co-founder of BioLongevity Labs. Recognized for his expertise in hormone and peptide science, he blends decades of physical training experience with a deep understanding of consciousness and energetic alignment.

Highlights:

• Peptides as a bridge between biology and consciousness
• Why emotional regulation supports physical health
• The "God Stack" for daily optimization
• How light and sound technologies aid healing
• The future of energy-based medicine
• Love and service as true performance enhancers

Episode Links:

• BioLongevity Labs - Use Code THIRDWAVE for 15% off
• Jay's Website

Episode Sponsors

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Kevin Cannella, co-founder and executive director of Thank You Life, a nonprofit removing financial barriers to psychedelic therapy. Kevin shares his path from early mystical experiences and time at a Peruvian retreat center to becoming a licensed professional counselor and MAPS-trained therapist, then building a pay-it-forward fund that partners with clinics nationwide.

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Kevin explains how Thank You Life works with 120+ ketamine clinics, why group programs matter for cost and connection, and what's realistic about insurance coverage today. He also explores integration support, community pods, and how state partnerships could expand access for veterans, first responders, and more.

Kevin Cannella is the co-founder and executive director of Thank You Life, a 501(c)(3) psychedelic therapy access fund. A licensed professional counselor and MAPS-trained psychedelic therapist, Kevin founded the organization with Dr. Dan Engle to eliminate the financial barriers that prevent many from accessing psychedelic healing. Thank You Life partners with over 120 ketamine clinics in 35 states, offering financial assistance and group support programs to individuals in need. Rooted in his own transformative journey with meditation, intensive retreat work, and psychotherapy, Kevin is dedicated to advancing health equity, reciprocity, and compassionate care in the psychedelic field.

Highlights:

• Service-driven path into psychedelic care
• Founding Thank You Life as a pay-it-forward fund
• Partnering with 120+ ketamine clinics nationwide
• Group ketamine care: cost and community benefits
• Insurance realities: Spravato vs. generic ketamine
• Integration support through clinics and community pods
• Scaling access via philanthropy and state partnerships

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin sits down with meditation teacher and social entrepreneur Dr. Fleet Maull to explore how Neuro-Somatic Mindfulness (NSM) intersects with psychedelic therapy.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-324/?ref=278

Fleet shares his journey from a 14-year federal prison sentence—where he founded the first prison hospice program and led daily meditation groups—to developing NSM, a radically embodied, neuroscience- and trauma-informed approach to practice.

He explains how NSM trains five key brain networks, why embodiment quiets a noisy mind more reliably than "thinking about" the breath, and how pairing NSM with ketamine or psilocybin can help shift insights from state to trait. The conversation offers a grounded roadmap for practitioners and seekers who want deeper stability, safety, and integration in expanded-state work.

Fleet Maull, PhD, CMT-P is an author, meditation teacher, mindset coach, and social entrepreneur working at the intersection of personal and social transformation. He is the founder & CEO of Heart Mind Institute, which integrates Western science with contemplative wisdom across trauma healing, resilience, psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, and conscious entrepreneurship. While serving a 14-year federal sentence (1985–1999), he founded Prison Mindfulness Institute and National Prison Hospice Association, catalyzing national movements in contemplative rehabilitation and end-of-life care. A senior Dharma teacher in Tibetan Buddhism and a Zen Roshi, Dr. Maull developed Neuro-Somatic Mindfulness (NSM), a deeply embodied, trauma-informed practice for healing and awakening.

*This October 14–19, 2025, Paul will also co-host Heart Mind Institute's free online Microdosing & Psychedelic Retreats Summit, featuring 35+ global leaders including Paul Stamets, Deepak Chopra, and James Fadiman. Register free via the links below.

Highlights

• Why embodiment beats "thinking about" the breath
• Prison as practice: hospice, service, and sobriety
• What is Neuro-Somatic Mindfulness (NSM)?
• DMN vs. task-positive network in practice
• Training five neural networks for resilience
• From state to trait: integration by design
• NSM with low-dose ketamine: retreat outcomes
• Rigidity, chaos, and the Goldilocks zone

Episode Links

• FleetMaull.com: https://www.fleetmaull.com/
• Heart Mind Institute: https://www.heartmind.co/
• Microdosing & Psychedelic Retreats Summit (Free Registration): https://thethirdwave.co/wp/?bwfan-link-trigger=9662151721791b9c6c99a7d8adb5929c

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin sits down with medicine woman and transpersonal psychotherapist Lena Franklin to explore grief as a doorway to the sacred, bridging clinical training with embodied spirituality, and the ethics of honoring indigenous lineages in modern practice.

Find full show notes and links here: http://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-323?ref=278

Lena shares "The Method," a 90-day psilocybin-supported program (three ceremonies + twelve sessions), and reflects on lessons learned from founding and composting EAST Institute. She also previews a new global initiative for advanced, root-cause healing centers and closes with an embodied playbook for leaders.

Lena Franklin is a Medicine Woman, Transpersonal Psychotherapist, and transformational speaker bridging ancient medicine and modern technology for global healing. Raised in a Buddhist/Christian home, she integrates Eastern philosophy with Western neuroscience across meditation, energy medicine, longevity, human optimization, plant medicine, shamanism, and ecosystem consciousness. Formally trained in psychology (B.S.) and clinical social work (M.S.) at the University of Georgia, Lena weaves lineages from Mahayana Buddhism, Mopan Maya Ancient Medicine, Q'ero Peruvian shamanism, and Shipibo wisdom into ceremonial and teaching work worldwide. She founded The QUINTESSENCE Approach for activating Revolutionary Medicine Woman leadership, The BEING Method for mindfulness-based human potential, and The Meditation Membership of audio/video teachings. Her work has been featured in Vogue, The New York Times, Telegraph, and more.

Highlights:

• Grief as a sacred portal
• Clinician and mystic, not either/or
• Lineage stewardship and councils of elders
• "Harm reduction is bi-directional"
• Lessons from founding EAST Institute
• The 90-day, three-ceremony Method
• From psycho-emotional to psycho-spiritual
• Why assessment must stay rigorous
• Vision for root-cause healing centers
• Daily grounding for embodied leadership

Episode Links:

• Lena's website
• Lena on Instagram

Episode Sponsor:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes researcher and entrepreneur Sterling Cooley to explore xenon—the noble gas with surprising psychedelic-like effects. Sterling shares how his own health crisis led him from nitrous oxide to xenon, and why he believes gaseous anesthetics open a unique window into consciousness.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-322/?ref=278

Sterling connects xenon to microtubule research (Orch OR), contrasts it with ketamine and nitrous, and discusses harm-reduction considerations, trip reports, and integration. The discussion bridges Sterling's personal journey with emerging scientific theories, offering a thoughtful look at xenon's potential role in consciousness and healing.

Guest Bio Sterling Cooley is a researcher and biotech entrepreneur working in ultrasound neuromodulation and noninvasive vagus nerve stimulation. Over the past decade, he has collaborated with Dr. Stuart Hameroff on microtubules, quantum consciousness, and novel anesthetics. Sterling is focused on xenon, a noble gas with both anesthetic and psychedelic-like properties. Through his community at Skool.com/Ultra, he supports safe, informed exploration of xenon's therapeutic and consciousness-expanding potential.

Highlights:

• What xenon is and why it fascinates researchers
• Sterling's personal health journey with gaseous anesthetics
• Microtubules, Orch OR, and models of consciousness
• Xenon vs. ketamine vs. nitrous: similarities and differences
• Harm-reduction guidance for gaseous psychedelics
• Visionary and higher-self experiences on xenon
• Potential applications for pain and PTSD
• Why microtubules may bridge mind, matter, and ideals

Episode Links:

• Ultra Skool

• Skool.com/Ultra (Sterling's community and xenon classroom)

• Sterling on X

• Purchase Xenon Gas (USA)

Episode Sponsors:

• The Practitioner Certification Program by Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
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