Presented by Creaturae, specializing in trauma-informed somatic leadership. In this powerful episode, Somatic Coach Deborah Lee, CEO and Founder of Creaturae, sits down with Frank King — a suicide prevention expert who uses comedy to save lives — for a raw conversation about the razor-thin line between laughter and pain.
Frank King, who calls himself a "Mental Health Comedian," brings lived experience to this discussion. Having battled suicidal ideation throughout his life, he now uses humor as a bridge to reach those in their darkest moments. Together with Deborah and Marc Miller, CBT-Trained Executive Coach, they explore how comedy can be both a lifeline and a mask for those struggling with trauma and suicidal thoughts.
You'll discover:
• How Frank transforms his mental health struggles into life-saving comedy
• Why those battling suicidal ideation often appear the happiest
• The crucial difference between humor that heals and humor that harms
• How to recognize when someone's jokes are actually cries for help
• Why laughter can interrupt the spiral of suicidal thinking
Frank's unique insights include:
• Using comedy to normalize conversations about suicide
• How humor creates safety for discussing unbearable pain
• The neuroscience of why laughter can shift dark thought patterns
• Recognizing humor as both symptom and solution
• Building bridges to hope through shared laughter
This conversation reveals how the funniest people in our lives may be fighting invisible battles with their own minds. Frank's approach — using humor not to minimize pain but to create connection in the midst of it — offers a revolutionary perspective on both comedy and mental health.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Humor and Trauma
01:16 Exploring Personal Humor Strengths
01:57 Favorite Comedians and Their Impact
07:37 The Role of Humor in Relationships
19:54 Humor as a Coping Mechanism
33:55 Understanding Empathy and Humor
34:36 Theories of Humor: Non-Violation and Benign Violation
35:36 Cognitive Reframing and the Role of the Frontal Lobes
39:15 The Importance of Self-Affirming Humor
40:46 Patriotism and Humor in Different Cultures
41:49 The Social Dynamics of Humor
42:59 Humor's Impact on the Brain and Mental Health
49:27 The Contagious Nature of Laughter
58:30 The Dark Side of Humor: Transgressive Jokes
01:03:53 Recap and Final Thoughts on Humor and Trauma
Why listen? Because this episode could save a life — maybe yours, maybe someone you love. Frank King's unique blend of comedy and compassion shows how humor can be a powerful tool for suicide prevention when wielded with wisdom and care. In this conversation we discover how comedy can hold space for both pain and hope simultaneously.