Welcome to The Art of Leading! This podcast features interviews with arts leaders from art schools, colleges, and universities and focuses on education and the current state and future of the creative industries. 

It took us an hour to record this episode, a summer to conduct several interviews, and then two years to actually get the episodes edited and published. When we began the process in 2021 we had no idea how much work would be involved to make a podcast and then life and our jobs got in the way. However, now we have a better sense of what we are doing and feel hopeful that we can turn around a second season much faster now. We hope you enjoy this episode and listen to more moving forward.