The Art/Lab Podcast: Conversations About Jewish Arts and Culture

My guest today is journalist Rebecca Clarren. Her work has appeared in Mother Jones, High Country News, The Nation, and Indian Country Today. For her reporting, she's won a Hillman Prize, received an Alicia Patterson Foundation Fellowship, and earned multiple grants from the Fund for Investigative Journalism. But as you'll hear in our conversation, she's much more than a journalist.

Her debut novel, which we touch on, is Kickdown, which was shortlisted for the PEN Bellwether Prize. Clarren is also a published poet; her work has appeared in North American Review, Catamaran, CutBank, and Poetry Northwest.

We spend most of our time talking about The Cost of Free Land: Jews, Lakota, and an American Inheritance, an extraordinary book in which she turns her journalistic eye on her own story—and her family's. It was named a Best Book of 2023 by several publications, won the Will Rogers Medallion Award, and was shortlisted for the High Plains Book Award and the Great Plains Book Award.

Rebecca and I talk about Jewish identity and values, and how those shape her work. She has a passion for amplifying marginalized and silenced voices—and for uncovering the stories that get buried beneath the dominant narrative. We talk about storytelling, contested truth, and what it means to hold multiple perspectives at once.

We also talk powerfully about grief and loss, and how they've informed her life and her work. Israel and Gaza come up because we're talking about competing narratives and moral urgency—and she offers a striking framework for balancing truth and compassion, rooted in learning with her rabbi.

It's a rich conversation, and I think you'll enjoy it. This is my conversation with Rebecca Clarren.

The Genesis is created, produced and edited by Rabbi Joshua Rose and is supported by Art/Lab: Innovating Jewish Arts and Culture. Theme music composed by Rabbi Joshua Rose

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Links & Show Notes

Art/Lab: artlabpdx.org

Rebecca's website: https://www.rebecca-clarren.com/

Indian Land Tenure Foundation: https://iltf.org/

Peter Beinart's Being Jewish Adrer the Destruction of Gaza: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/775348/being-jewish-after-the-destruction-of-gaza-by-peter-beinart/

A Christmas message (!) from Rabbi Josh

Rabbi Josh Rose sits down with writer Nikki Schulak to talk about humor as survival strategy, artistic method, and truth-telling device. What begins as a discussion of comedy quickly opens into an exploration of trauma, Jewish family life, grief, and the way humor can both conceal and reveal what hurts most. Nikki reflects on how comedy functioned in her childhood, in her eccentric Jewish family, and in the complicated dynamics between piety, cruelty, affection, and love.

The conversation moves into Nikki's radical commitment to honesty on the page. Known for writing with almost no filter, Nikki talks openly about shame, depression, sex, marriage, mental health, and the personal costs of telling the truth publicly. From her seventh-grade journals to her current Substack, vulnerability wasn't a strategy she adopted—it's who she's always been. Along the way, she shares the story behind her Prozac tattoo, her experience with depression, and why making mental health visible matters to her.

Josh and Nikki also dig into questions of marriage, intimacy, and unconventional family structures. Nikki speaks frankly about her long marriage, having an affair, the therapy that followed, and the surprising, hard-won equilibrium her family ultimately found. The discussion is not theoretical or ideological—it's grounded in lived experience, with all the discomfort, humor, and tenderness that entails.

The episode closes with reflections on parenting, teaching preschool, politics, and why humor remains an essential tool for surviving a tragic and absurd world. It's a conversation about truth, timing, and courage—about what happens when you refuse to look away from your own life, and insist on telling it as clearly and honestly as you can.

Links

Art/Lab artlabpdx.org

The Genesis on Youtube: youtube.com/@thegenesisjewishpodcast

Nikki Schulak's Website: nikkischulak.com

Her Substack: nschulak.substack.com

I sit down with Art/Lab director Shoshana Gugenheim—my longtime collaborator—to clarify what changed since Co/Lab went on hiatus and Art/Lab spun out as its own org and we tackle the basic question: why a Jewish contemporary arts fellowship, and why now? We talk about creativity as core to being human and Jewish, and how Art/Lab serves artists and audiences who don't always find a home in synagogues or legacy institutions.

We reflect on October 7 and the year that followed: how Jewish artists across the country were censored or sidelined, and how our cohort became a rare room where people could bring divergent views, grief, and complexity without an ideological litmus test. That experience also shaped the (paused-for-now) gallery vision: a space for experimentation and public-facing work by contemporary Jewish artists in the Pacific Northwest.

Then we lay out what Art/Lab looks like today: the flagship nine-month fellowship (this year's theme: memory), public workshops drawn from our growing network of 38 artists, this podcast, deep partnerships with the Oregon Jewish Museum and Eastside Jewish Commons, and new educators joining our text study series. We also share two big updates: Art/Lab's selection for the 2026 Jerusalem Biennale and fresh support from CANVAS—along with the real-world fundraising trade-offs arts programs face.

Finally, Shoshana name-checks what she's loving right now and we close with some breads-and-spreads talk and an open invite to learn more, get involved, or support the work.

Links from the Show

• Art/Lab website — artlabpdx.org

• CANVAS — bycanvas.org

• Jerusalem Biennale — jerusalembiennale.org

• Oregon Jewish Museum & Center for Holocaust Education — ojmche.org

• Eastside Jewish Commons — ejcpdx.org

• Guerrilla Girls at the Getty — "How to Be a Guerrilla Girl" (Getty Research Institute) — getty.edu

THIS THURSDAY, DECEMBER 4TH AT 7:30 PM AT THE EASTSIDE JEWISH COMMONS IN PORTLAND YOU CAN COME LEARN IN PERSON WITH THE GUEST ON THIS EPISODE, RABBI ADINA ALLEN. GO TO ARTLABPDX.ORG FOR TICKETS. DON'T MISS THIS WONDERFUL TEACHER!

*This is a re-release of Episode 20 from this season.*

On this show I've continued to explore the boundary between Jewish culture and Jewish religion. We've talked about for example the flourishing of Yiddish artistic culture in the 19th and 20th century, boldly, undeniably Jewish and largely secular. But we've also found links between Jewish religion and culture, like the continued focus on peoplehood, or the texts of the Jewish tradition, or the urge for transcendence. Today's conversation is all about the place where that line between Jewish creative culture and Jewish spirituality disappears, or is reimagined and leapt over - or something. Rabbi Adina Allen is the co-founder and creative director of the Jewish Studio Project. The work of this influential and growing organization is based on Jewish Studio Process, a unique methodology that unlocks creativity through the fusion of art and Jewish learning that has been embraced by thousands of organizational and community leaders, educators, artists, and clergy across the United States. I recently read her book The Place of All Possibility: Cultivating Creativity Through Ancient Jewish Wisdom. I thought it was going to be a book that just encouraged a creative approach to Jewish learning. It is much much more than that. As you'll hear today, it's something like a theology of making that is grounded in Jewish learning. Her work is profound and inspiring. In this conversation we talk about creativity as spiritual technology: a disciplined path to encounter the divine and build a community that is grounded in individual expression. We go into some depth about the Jewish Studio Process so you'll why this work is something original and powerful. We also discuss how this work has been used not only to help individuals deepen their connection to and understanding of Jewish sources but also how it is working its way through schools, synagogues and other organizations. I think you'll really like hearing about this meeting point between creativity, religious experience, and Jewish learning.

Finally, RabbiAllen will be here in Portland on December 4th at 7:30 pm, for a book talk sponsored by Art/Lab and co-sponsored by the Eastside Jewish Commons, The Portland Jewish Federation, and the Jewish Studio Project. More information at artlabpdx.org Enjoy my conversation with Rabbi Adina Allen.

Links: Art/Lab: www.artlabpdx.org Jewish Studio Project: www.jewishstudioproject.org Rabbi Allen's Personal Website: www.adina-allen.com Pat Allen (Rabbi Adina's Mom): www.patballen.com Ayin Press: www.ayinpress.org (where you can find Rabbi Adina's book and many other wonderful Jewish titles)

Don't miss Art/Lab's special guest Rabbi Adina Allen (a guest in episode 20 of this season) IN PORTLAND THIS THURSDAY at the Eastside Jewish Commons. Go to artlabpdx.org for the registration link.

In this week's episode, I talk with puppeteer and theater maker Ora Fruchter about what actually happens when an object comes alive on stage. Ora walks me into the inner mechanics of puppetry in a way that has nothing to do with tricks or clever engineering. Instead, she talks about breath, presence, and the strange collaborative agreement between performer and audience—the shared moment when everyone decides that a piece of tissue or wood is breathing. Hearing her describe how she "listens" to an object and lets it guide the next movement was one of the most arresting parts of our conversation.

As we keep talking, something deeper opens up. Ora grew up in a Modern Orthodox world steeped in text study, and although she doesn't label her art "Jewish," the parallels are unmistakable. She and I explore how puppetry resembles Torah in its basic structure: nothing comes alive unless the community brings its imagination to it. Meaning isn't delivered; it's co-created. The act of witnessing becomes the act of animating. That connective, interpretive, breath-driven space is where Ora locates her spirituality, and it's where she feels most present and most herself.

We also talk about her family, which turns out to be a full ecosystem of artists—writers, musicians, rabbis, makers. Ora shares the new collaborative project she's building with her siblings: Boy of the Sea, based on her sister's invented Jewish folktales, a set of stories that feel both ancient and entirely original. She describes the early stages of translating these tales into puppet theater and how she's thinking about ancestry, Shabbat tables layered across time, and the echoes of past generations that move through the work.

Finally, we explore another show she's developing with a collaborator in Portland, You're Doing It Wrong, a family performance about animals and natural creatures who are inexplicably terrible at what they're "supposed" to be good at. The piece, like much of Ora's work, uses humor and lightness as a way into more serious questions—how we handle discouragement, how we show up for each other, and how we stay human in difficult times. Throughout the episode, I found myself struck by how naturally Ora weaves craft, spirituality, and community into a single practice. It's a conversation about puppetry, yes, but also about presence, lineage, imagination, and the things that really make us come alive.

Links

Art/Lab: artlabpdx.org

Ora's Website: orafruchter.com

The South Philadelphia Shtiebel (synagogue of Ora's sister Rabbanit Dasi Fruchter): southphiladelphiashtiebel.org

Sandcatchers (Ora's Brother's Band): sandcatchers.bandcamp.com

City of Laughter (Novel by Ora's sister) Book Review in NYT. Click Here.

Ronnie Burkett: https://www.johnlambert.ca/ENGLISH/ronnie-burkett/

The Genesis is created, produced and edited by Rabbi Joshua Rose and is supported by Art/Lab: Innovating Jewish Arts and Culture. Theme music composed by Rabbi Joshua Rose

In this episode I sit down with illustrator Youki Iimori for a frank conversation about the realities of building an artistic life—creative identity, comparison, intention, and the pressure to make work that "sells." Youki was part of Art/Lab: Jewish Arts and Culture's third cohort. Youki talks openly about early talent, hitting a wall of self-comparison, an ADHD diagnosis that arrived much later, and the long aftermath of trying to make art while fighting a loud inner critic.

We get into how animation, manga/anime, and gaming shaped Youki's visual instincts, and why intent—not medium, not market—determines whether something is art. That takes us through Duchamp's urinal, bananas duct-taped to gallery walls, the economics of contemporary art, and why a game like Undertale can carry more artistic coherence than many prestige museum pieces.

We also talk about Youki's Jewish upbringing, the Jewish ideas that sit under the surface for Youki—not as symbols or motifs but as conceptual frameworks—and how those Jewish concepts might surface more clearly in long-form work like comics or animation. And throughout the conversation, we keep returning to a central question: what happens to an artist's work when they stop comparing themselves to everyone around them and start making the things they actually enjoy?

You'll hear about the challenge of finding one's voice, the pull between pure creativity and professional expectations, and the choice to relieve financial pressure so art can breathe again.

Show Notes:

Art/Lab: artlabpdx.org

Youki Imori (Ee-mori): yiillus.com

"Why Undertale is a Timeless Masterpiece" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o79TiRMgLmw (note: this is not a recomendation from Youki)

Museum of Modern Art page on Barnett Newman (painter) https://www.moma.org/artists/4285-barnett-newman

The podcast is a production of Rabbi Josh Rose with support of Art/Lab. Theme music created by Rabbi Josh Rose

Today's conversation is with artists historian and Jewish educator, Leila Wice, someone whose life pretty much explodes the idea that Judaism has to be either religious or secular, or traditional or creative. In fact, it can be all those things. Leila is an art lab alum but started out as a historian of 19th century Japan, so she's journeyed quite away.

She was obsessed with the idea that objects or texts as she talks about, and she'll actually share an object with us,, which you can see in video. It exemplifies how an object can become a text and also exemplifies how reinvention and creativity lie at the core of her vision of what it means to be Jewish

Over time and with a big push from Art La, her sensibility moved from the archive and her academic life into the studio and into her Jewish life. Leila talks also about the Jewish Studio Project and the impact that that had on her. And if you listen to last week's episode, you will have heard from the co-creator of the Jewish Studio Project, Rabbi Adina Allen, and you can go back and hear that episode if you want to understand the underpinnings of that.

Leila and I discuss all of that and we cover a lot of other ground. We talk about the erased world of Yiddish modernist culture and how it's been reclaimed by feminists and queer artists. We talk about Refrom Judaism not as a watered down tradition, but as a bold engine of invention. And really at the heart of our conversation and underlying all of this, is a discussion about whether creativity itself is the real through line of Judaism after the destruction of the temple.

So she brings her own experience of Jewish creativity from what she's learned. And from her own creative impulses and brings it all together in this vision that she has of what it means to live a Jewish life. Leila brings it all down to ground level with her work on mikvah, on ritual immersion, that is as a tool for transition, and on transforming broken glass from anti-Semitic vandalism into shimmering ritual art, which kind of encapsulates what she does. We also wrestle with fear and safety, armed guards or community peacekeepers, hiding damage or making art out of it, and what it all means to stay Jewishly rooted if you don't think of yourself as religious at all.

So I hope you enjoy this conversation with Leila Wice.

Art/Lab: www.artlapdx.org

Jewish Studio Project: https://www.jewishstudioproject.org 

SVARA: A Traditionally Radical Yeshiva: https://svara.org 

Yiddish Book Center: https://www.yiddishbookcenter.org 

The Way We Think: A Collection of Essays from the Yiddish (2 vols., 1969) Joseph Leftwich (ed.),

Persepolis, by Marjane Satrapi: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/15900/persepolis-by-marjane-satrapi 

Monsters Are Afraid of the Dark, Marjane Satrapi

Reminder: Stephen Arnoff will be in Portland tomorrow evening - that is Thursday, November 13th - for the Art/Lab event, The Jew-ish Spiritual Wisdom of Bob Dylan | An Evening of Music and Conversation with Dr. Stephen Arnoff (w/special guest Alicia Jo Rabins on violin). If you haven't heard my conversation with Stephen, go back and listen to episode 16 from this season. Such an interesting guy with big ideas and insights into Dylan and more. Go to artlabpdx.org to register. Again Thursday November 13th at 8pm at he Eastide Jewish commons.

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On this show I've continued to explore the boundary between Jewish culture and Jewish religion. We've talked about for example the flourishing of Yiddish artistic culture in the 19th and 20th century, boldly, undeniably Jewish and largely secular. But we've also found links between Jewish religion and culture, like the continued focus on peoplehood, or the texts of the Jewish tradition, or the urge for transcendence. Today's conversation is all about the place where that line between Jewish creative culture and Jewish spirituality disappears, or is reimagined and leapt over - or something.

Rabbi Adina Allen is the co-founder and creative director of the Jewish Studio Project. The work of this influential and growing organization is based on Jewish Studio Process, a unique methodology that unlocks creativity through the fusion of art and Jewish learning that has been embraced by thousands of organizational and community leaders, educators, artists, and clergy across the United States. I recently read her book The Place of All Possibility: Cultivating Creativity Through Ancient Jewish Wisdom. I thought it was going to be a book that just encouraged a creative approach to Jewish learning. It is much much more than that.

As you'll hear today, it's something like a theology of making that is grounded in Jewish learning. Her work is profound and inspiring. In this conversation we talk about creativity as spiritual technology: a disciplined path to encounter the divine and build a community that is grounded in individual expression. We go into some depth about the Jewish Studio Process so you'll why this work is something original and powerful. We also discuss how this work has been used not only to help individuals deepen their connection to and understanding of Jewish sources but also how it is working its way through schools, synagogues and other organizations. I think you'll really like hearing about this meeting point between creativity, religious experience, and Jewish learning.

Finally, RabbiAllen will be here in Portland on December 4th at 7:30 pm, for a book talk sponsored by Art/Lab and co-sponsored by the Eastside Jewish Commons, The Portland Jewish Federation, and the Jewish Studio Project. More information at artlabpdx.org Enjoy my conversation with Rabbi Adina Allen.

Links: Art/Lab: www.artlabpdx.org

Jewish Studio Project: www.jewishstudioproject.org

Rabbi Allen's Personal Website: www.adina-allen.com

Pat Allen (Rabbi Adina's Mom): www.patballen.com

Ayin Press (where you can find Rabbi Adina's book and many other wonderful Jewish titles): www.ayinpress.org

Today I am speaking with artist Jessica Rehfield, whose work lives at the intersection of art, Jewish identity and resistance. Jessica was in our first art lab cohort and her big, bold paintings at the first exhibition. I can still remember. Jessica is not a wallflower in their work or their life, and is a self-described big old queer Jew. And that Jewish and Queer self understanding isn't just decorative. It's the backbone of their practice paintings, their community projects, writings push back against what they call the state of Miseducation about both queer and Jewish histories.

In this conversation, Jessica describes how their work evolved from solitary charcoal drawings during graduate school into collaborative community centered projects, art as a form of collective response to fascism. Jessica insists that art. And politics cannot be separated when your very existence is politicized and is an advocate for linking the inherent politics of Jewishness as they see it with the experience of marginalization of Jews and of queer people. We talk about how Jewish and queer communities are each under pressure, and how shared language history and courage might help us rehumanize one another in this fractured moment.

We also dig into Jessica's rediscovery of Yiddish during the pandemic, A language that they call the body of the Jewish Spirit out of their focus. On that came a self illustrated Yiddish primer as they'll describe new large scale paintings in a renewed understanding. That they had of language as both inheritance and resistance. Now, if you have not heard yet, my discussion with Lou Cove way back in season two, that can help frame an understanding for this part of the conversation (Episode 20) about how Yiddish culture's breadth and unifying Jewish diversity contrasts with our fractured Jewish world today.

Thank you for listening. And hey, if Jewish ideas, Jewish identity, and Jewish creativity are important to you, please tell one person about this podcast. Word of mouth is how people hear about new, cool things, and it's how podcasts grow. Plus, this is a really, really important moment for us to put strength, creativity, and Jewish pride right out there, front and center. Thanks for listening. Enjoy my conversation with Jessica Rehfield.

Links relevant to the conversation:

www.artlabpdx.org

www.instagram.com/alenereh/

www.jessicarehfield.com

www.yiddishbookcenter.org