The Authentic Legal Professional

The Authentic Legal Professional

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The Authentic Legal Professional episodes

  • Laura Frederick's Commitment to Generosity

    Laura Frederick left her job as in-house counsel at Tesla right before the pandemic to start her own firm in her 50s. As a single mom of 4 kids, she had to make this whole thing work.

    In this episode of the Build Your Book podcast, we learn about the lessons she learned along the way to not only survive, but thrive in this new paradigm. Along the way, she built a thriving LinkedIn following of 17,000+ lawyers, an online academy, wrote a book.

    Her secret is simple: start with generosity. This generosity has guided her relationships with clients, with friends, and so many more. Generosity is not only good for the heart, but good for business as well. This episode gets into how to do it all

    In this episode, we learn about:

    • Why security and freedom are not opposites, but part of the same equation...
    • What it takes to thrive on LinkedIn...
    • How to strengthen your connections before you need them...
    • How to lead with generosity...
    • The importance of small experiments...
    • What to do with the imposter syndrome...
    • Why you need vulnerability and authenticity to thrive...
    • and more!
    • Laura's Recommended Books:

      • Influence by Robert Cialdini
      • You are a Badass by Jen Sincero
      • Where to find Laura:

        • On LinkedIn
        • At Laura Frederick Law
        • Get her book: Practical Tips on How to Contract
        • Enroll for her course: How To Contract
        • Email her at [email protected] or call her at 512-668-9906.
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            • Take Charge with Norman Bacal

              Norman Bacal is a legend in Canadian law. Norm built & led one of Canada’s most prestigious law firms. He was also one of the most successful film finance lawyers in the country. He sat on the board of directors of a Hollywood studio and represented companies like Warner Bros, MGM, Sony, and Lionsgate. 

              Then, the firm collapsed and he re-invented himself as a bestselling author of Breakdown, speaker, and mentor to young lawyers (or just young professionals starting out).

              In this episode, we talk about:

              • How to get started in sales as a lawyer
              • What being a vacuum salesperson taught Norm about selling as a lawyer
              • Why "failing" 6 times with each client is part of the process
              • The most important thing to do when you fall through the trapdoor in life
              • The importance of a performance as a lawyer
              • What it's like to start from zero again
              • and so much more!
              • This episode is for the books! 

                References:

                • Find Norm's book Take Charge
                • Find Norman on his website at NormanBacal.com
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                    • From Wrestler to Legal Sales Pro with Nick Cegelski

                      Nick Cegelski gets what it takes to sell. Sales is not a dirty word to him. The heart of sales is a conversation, it is about questions.

                      In this episode, we break down the entire client sales meeting where you as a lawyer have to sit down and convince the client to retain you. But as you'll soon discover, there is no convincing required if you run the meeting in the right away.

                      In this practically grounded episode, we learn from Nick all the ways that lawyers get in their own way in running sales meetings with prospective clients.

                      He shows us a different approach, a more human approach. And it isn't about slicking back your hair, cracking jokes, and being sleazy. It is all about the art and science of building comfort and asking questions.

                      If you're looking for more sales ideas, don't forget to check out Nick's podcast: 30 Minutes to President's Club! It is made for salespeople who want to go further.

                      References:

                      • 30 Minutes to President's Club
                      • Fanatical Prospecting by Jeb Blount
                      • Find Nick on LinkedIn here.
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                        • Join the next cohort of our Build Your Book Academy.
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                          • The Entrepreneurial Lawyer with Sukhi Hansra

                            He's a food entrepreneur, a tech consultant, a lawyer, and just someone who thinks differently. Sukhi is an entrepreneur first who decided to choose himself and skip the line that other lawyers force themselves into.

                            The fact is, anyone can learn to be an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs are not born, they're made. And despite what you might think, there is less risk than ever before.

                            In this talk, we learn about Sukhi's story, and we get into solid tactics and strategies to help you get started with building your own abundance mindset as well as tips to get clients coming in through the door.

                            We also get into:

                            • The art of asking shamelessly (and usually getting what you're asking for)
                            • What it takes to skip the traditional line that a lawyer feels so confined in
                            • If optimism is learnable or not
                            • Why being different is your unique advantage and that you need to go all in on
                            • What cheesy marketing techniques actually work
                            • and more...
                            • References:

                              • Find Sukhi at Hansra Law.
                              • Recommended Books:

                                • Profit First: Transform Your Business from a Cash-Eating Monster to a Money-Making Machine by Mike Michalowicz
                                • Endless Referrals by Bob Burg
                                • No B.S. Guide to Direct Response Marketing by Dan Kennedy
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                                  • Join the next cohort of our Build Your Book Academy.
                                  • Get the LinkedIn for Lawyers Course.
                                  • If you have any comments or would to join as a guest on our podcast, send us an email at [email protected].

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                                    • Erin Durant - The Future is Small

                                      What makes someone go from an equity partner at a large law firm to striking out on their own in a small practice? In this incredible talk, we learn from the candid Erin Durant about her adventure into building something herself.

                                      She talks about how going out on your own is less scary than people think. She gets into all the ways she prepared herself to do things herself, and what it takes to build an incredible culture (that is to contrary to how big law thinks!) at a firm.

                                      She makes a compelling case on why now is a better time than ever before to strike out on your own and succeed.

                                      Plus of course, the need for a coach and mentor during pivotal moments of change in your life & career.

                                      We get into all the details about mentorship, marketing, and mental health as well in this episode.

                                      References:

                                      • Find Erin Durant at Durant Barristers.
                                      • Project Aristotle by Google: a large scale study on culture and corporate success.
                                      • Lead from the Outside by Stacey Abrams
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                                        • Join the next cohort of our Build Your Book Academy.
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                                          • Angela Han on How to Navigate Through Personal Blind Spots

                                            A teacher who becomes a lawyer. This is the story of Angela Han, an immigrant to the US who goes from feeling unwanted & unworthy to becoming someone who loves her work as a lawyer, a health coach, a life coach, and a mom. This is a deeply personal episode as Angela talks about her immigration story to the US, her turbulent start in the legal profession and what it takes to re-invent yourself.

                                            She's been coaching women to reinvent their legal careers and we're excited to have her on!

                                            In this episode, we discuss:

                                            • How finding your passion often begins with finding your deepest pain.
                                            • Why playfulness is so important in your career.
                                            • What most people are missing when they want to change their life.
                                            • The true cost of fear in your life.
                                            • The importance of finding a powerful why and the process to do it.
                                            • Transcending from "problem" thinking to "creating" thinking.
                                            • When it makes sense to hire a personal career/life-skill coach.
                                            • How to deal with the ego in the process of reinvention.
                                            • For us, the big lesson was about embracing the importance of creative thinking and playfulness. There is absolutely no question of deservedness.

                                              Have a vision. Take action. Go!

                                              References:

                                              • Angela Han's Personal Website.
                                              • Books we discussed:

                                                • Building a Storybrand
                                                • The Prosperous Coach
                                                • How to do the Work
                                                • Atomic Habits

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                                                  • Join the next cohort of our Build Your Book Academy.
                                                  • Get the LinkedIn for Lawyers Course.
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                                                    • Pivoting Your Legal Career, The Value of Little Experiments, and Recreating Your Work

                                                      People can spend their entire lives doing work they hate in this profession. Why? The fear of a drop in income. The fear of starting from scratch. But it doesn't have to be that way. It is simple to manage around these fears.

                                                      It is easier than ever to build a foundation right where you are, run small experiments, and pivot when the time is right. It doesn't require extremely focused planning. It's all about playful experimentation.

                                                      I am joined by Aaron Baer as he discusses big changes that he made in his legal career with small steps.

                                                      Plus, a big announcement on new people joining the Build Your Book team as well as the podcast in the coming weeks!

                                                      References:

                                                      • 80,000 Hours Project
                                                      • FISH! Philosophy
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                                                        • Join the next cohort of our Build Your Book Academy.
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                                                          • Choosing Yourself in the Legal Profession

                                                            Traditional law firms want you to stay in your lane, do your work, bill hours, and go home. This is no longer the right recipe for success, fulfillment and happiness. It is also the riskiest thing you can do for your career. 

                                                            In this episode, we discuss the many different ways you must choose yourself. Whether you're a solo practitioner or a partner at a big law firm, choosing yourself, your passion, your interests, and even your own way (unselfishly!) of doing things is downright necessary. 

                                                            Reinvention, chasing your curiosity, embracing change, are all part of this new economy. But this doesn't have to be scary. It can be exhilarating.

                                                            Refereces:

                                                            • The Startup of You by Reid Hoffman & Ben Casnocha.
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                                                                • Givers & Takers, Abundance vs. Scarcity

                                                                  Who comes out on top? The "sharks" or the takers, or the givers? Can saying "no" be a sign of abundance? Can saying "yes" be coming from a place of scarcity?

                                                                  The legal profession is mired in a scarcity mindset. Beliefs like there aren't enough clients, enough work, enough dollars keeps people constantly in stress, buttoned up and away from feeling true security, freedom, and financial success.

                                                                  In this episode, we talk about how to cultivate an abundance mindset. Before talking about any strategies and tactics, the mindset is key. We continue on this conversation about the right mindset needed to succeed in building a successful practice.

                                                                  References:

                                                                  • Give & Take by Adam Grant
                                                                  • WorkLife Podcast by Adam Grant
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                                                                      • The Importance of Mindset, Authenticity & Vulnerability in Business Development

                                                                        In this episode, we continue our conversation with Aaron Baer discussing the importance of mindset, authenticity and vulnerability when it comes to business development and life itself.

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                                                                        We discuss:

                                                                        • Why most people burn out from doing business development
                                                                        • How to gain more confidence and self-esteem in your work
                                                                        • The one crucial mindset change you need to make when you're wearing the business development hat
                                                                        • Why most strategic and tactical tips/ideas to do with business development don't work
                                                                        • Our favorite books & authors who can change your view of your work and people
                                                                        • The trends in corporate America in business development training
                                                                        • What the military and business development have in common
                                                                        • and much more...!
                                                                        • Resources:

                                                                          • Build Your Book: https://www.buildyourbook.org. Go here to setup a time to speak with us, or get the Amazon bestseller for free.
                                                                          • Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/build-your-book
                                                                          • Brene Brown TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvmsMzlF7o
                                                                          • Daring Greatly: https://www.amazon.com/Daring-Greatly-Courage-Vulnerable-Transforms/dp/1611736501
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                                                                              About The Authentic Legal Professional

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                                                                              The Authentic Legal Professional is a podcast exploring authenticity in the legal profession.