In this episode, host Josh Baer speaks with Madeleine Grynsztejn, director of the MCA Chicago. In part one of the conversation, Baer and Grynsztejn discuss the past, present, and future of the MCA, Grynsztejn’s experience becoming a museum director after years as a curator, and how the MCA is pursuing its mission to be a “hyperlocal museum with global reach.”

Then, tune in as Grynsztejn and Baer tackle Chicago’s vibrant art scene and how the MCA integrates local culture into its programming, including through a new expansion into performance art; and, how the MCA is holding its principles firm in response to challenges facing public institutions and museums.