Wall Street analyst turned musical producer Pierre Ferragu joins Jeff Schiefelbein, Nick Bezner, and Paul Kolker at the tiny table to share the remarkable story behind Bernadette The Musical, a Broadway-level production about Saint Bernadette of Lourdes that is coming to the United States.

Pierre explains how a French stage show rooted in a deeply Catholic story managed to win over a secular French press, and why the life of a humble peasant girl continues to move hearts across cultures and worldviews. From the challenge of translating nuance and wordplay into English to navigating cultural differences between French abstraction and American love for stories that are clearly grounded in the flesh, Pierre gives an inside look at producing a show that stays faithful to history while speaking powerfully to modern audiences.

Along the way, the Dudes share the very personal connection Jeff and his family have to Lourdes, unpack Kelsey Grammer’s unexpected role as a producer and champion for the show, and reflect on why live theater can evangelize in ways that streaming content simply cannot. The episode closes with a stunning recording of the song “Why Me,” a cry of humble wonder that resonates with priests, parents, and anyone who has ever asked God why they were chosen for a particular cross or calling.

Takeaways

1. The life of Saint Bernadette is universally compelling

2. Translation is more than swapping words

3. Live experiences form hearts in a unique way

4. God uses unlikely people for big missions

5. Beauty can be a gentle path to evangelization

Episode Challenge

Pray with your own “Why me?”

Take ten minutes this week to bring your current calling or cross to the Lord. Ask honestly, “Why me” and then sit in silence, allowing God to remind you that He chooses the small, the weak, and the ordinary on purpose. Offer Him your poverty and ask for the courage of Saint Bernadette.

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Keith Mack is a man of courage and charity.

Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein meet Keith at the intersection of grit and grace as he shares his journey from Northwestern ROTC to flying the EA-6B Prowler, then into a vocation of fatherhood, parish service at St. Ann in Coppell, and board leadership with For Us the pro-life nonprofit that places ultrasound machines and now connects centers through a national Guardian Angel tech network.

Keith explains why an ultrasound can move hearts to choose life, how Knights of Columbus amplify the mission, and why regular Eucharistic adoration at 5 a.m. keeps him anchored. The crew revisits the Napa Institute connection, laughs through Top Gun references and car-brand confusion, and then receives a surprise on-air gift as Keith presents three custom BeatiDudes rosaries he made and already prayed over with his family. From counsel for seminarians to the beauty of the Latin Mass to building Catholic community in North Texas, this conversation is equal parts joyful fraternity and serious discipleship, ending exactly where it should… in prayer.

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Martin Watjen returns for a focused Friday deep dive about hearing God through images, living as protectors who trust the true provider, and slowing down to notice what the Lord is already growing along our path. With Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein, Martin shares vivid prayer images, from a narrow mountain trail with fertile soil underfoot to stepping off the moving walkway of routine and into a real relationship with Jesus.

The conversation moves from parish missions to family life, from cultural hurry to holy attentiveness, and from fear about provision to freedom in the Father who provides. It is a practical and prayerful halftime talk for any listener who wants faith that forms generations to come.

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Before the sun’s up and the coffee’s even finished brewing, Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein break the “donut seal” for the first-ever BeatiDudes breakfast episode — and welcome a man whose ministry is anything but half-baked. Guest Martin Watjen, founder of Elevated Parish Missions, joins the table from Steubenville, Ohio, bringing humor, humility, and holy conviction about what it means to help people move faith from head knowledge to heart encounter.

The conversation hops from sticky-sprinkle banter and beard jokes to powerful testimony. Martin shares his wild road trip with eight kids, his time working security for the federal government, and his leap of faith when he left a comfortable role at Franciscan University to follow God’s call. Together, the crew explores the real purpose of parish missions: to reawaken a relationship with Jesus in the very pews and neighborhoods where we already live.

This episode serves up plenty of caffeine-fueled laughs (including a “Jonah and the donut” moment and a few improv curveballs) but ultimately lands on the deep truth that knowing about Christ isn’t the same as really knowing Christ. Martin’s story and joy remind us that evangelization begins with encounter and maybe a good cup of coffee.

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BeatiDudes Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein welcome back Dr. Rob McKenna to keep exploring trust, formation, and the quirky on-ramps God uses to shape leaders.

Rob shares the origin of the WiLD Leaders washer symbol and a powerful “generational loop” story that began with his parents and found unexpected completion through his trips to India.

The Dudes trade formative childhood moments and what they learned about resilience, agency, and identity. Rob explains how a Halo map and a rocket launcher inspired a real-world assessment platform that highlights the metrics that drive behavior and build leaders. The conversation takes many twists and turns, including jaunts into vulnerability, the costs of public leadership, melodic metal, video game soundtracks at the gym, and the hope that sits right on the edge of despair. Along the way, you will catch movie trailers that never were, a Scooby-Doo villain named Mr. Parrot, and a Pac-Man sprint set to Final Fantasy.

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This week, The BeatiDudes welcome Dr. Rob McKenna, psychologist and founder of WiLD Leaders, for a fast-moving conversation about trust, leadership, and the kind of vulnerability that builds thriving organizations. Dr. Rob shares how growing up in a very public ministry home shaped his view of leadership, why Psalm 13 is a masterclass in honest prayer, and how “the little i” in WiLD points to whole and intentional leader development.

Rob and The BeatiDudes (Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein) unpack the WiLD Trust Index, explore how faith fits into a healthy workplace, and WiLDly launch into a round of Blessed Are the Joke Makers. Along the way, you will hear practical ways to spark better one-on-ones, cultivate humble curiosity, and turn culture talk into culture traction.

Dr. Rob also previews his new book, Whole Leaders, WiLD Trust: The Courageous Path to Personal, Relational, and Organizational Change, with a foreword by Stephen M. R. Covey.

Standout Moments

• WiLD Leaders origin story and why the “little i” matters for whole and intentional leader development

• Growing up under a seminary president dad and learning to face hard questions at the kitchen table

• Psalm 13 as a template for honest lament that still chooses trust

• The WiLD Toolkit: ten developmental assessments that build people capacity over time

• The WiLD Trust Index explained in plain English, including the 33 drivers of trust

• Three levels of trust building: awareness within, patterns between, and conditions around

• State of Trust research insight that many people work in a “jungle of trust”

• Why trust is not “everywhere” just because it is “somewhere” - and how fragmentation shows up on teams

• The power of asking questions you do not already know the answer to

• Faith and leadership through the lens of St. Paul’s “many parts, one body”

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The BeatiDudes are back at the Tiny Table with Patrick Thornton from Catholic.Store and Tiny Saints.

Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein start the episode with playful banter about names, shirts, and biceps, before Patrick shares a heartfelt family story that changed his life. Not too long ago, Patrick’s oldest son survived a serious car accident, spent weeks recovering, and then stood at his wedding after a last-minute clearance from the doctor.

The conversation turns to the gift of proximity, since all six Thornton kids now live within fifteen minutes of mom and dad in Irving. Patrick talks about ordinary names that feel wonderfully normal, the joy of grandparent life, and why Texas weather just works. The crew riffs on Tiny Saints as small reminders with a big mission, previews the red tiny table activation for the Catholic Music Initiative concert, and laughs through Catholic dad jokes, Tim Tebow sightings, and a legendary line delivered to Pudge Rodriguez.

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BeatiDudes Special Show Alert!

Dave Moore returns for a truly special and heartwarming visit.

That’s right! The BeatiDudes (Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein) welcome back their longtime friend and collaborator, Dave Moore, the heartbeat behind the Catholic Music Initiative and co-founder of the upcoming benefit concert The More We Are, featuring Dave and Lauren Moore at the Meyerson Symphony Center in Dallas on November 4, 2025.

What starts as a fun reflection on the early days of the BeatiDudes quickly turns into a moving testimony of faith, perseverance, and God’s faithfulness. Dave shares the incredible story of his wife’s recovery from Guillain-Barré Syndrome, a journey that took Lauren from paralysis and months in the ICU to now preparing for her first public performance since her illness. Through laughter, tears, and a few off-the-wall tangents, the Dudes uncover what it really means to experience John 10:10 — to have life and have it abundantly.

The November 4th concert isn’t just another show. It’s a resurrection moment for Lauren, a celebration of hope for the Catholic community, and an invitation to everyone to be part of something bigger than themselves. Attendees will witness Lauren’s return to the stage, hear stories of healing and gratitude, and experience a night that honors faith through beauty and music.

All proceeds benefit the Catholic Music Initiative, helping the Moore family continue to compose, record, and lead worship that lifts hearts toward heaven. Whether you attend in person, sponsor a table, or donate from afar, your support fuels this movement of faith and artistry.

🎟 Get your tickets or become a sponsor: catholicmusicinitiative.org

📅 Event: The More We Are – Faith, Hope, and Healing

📍 Meyerson Symphony Center, Dallas, TX – November 4, 2025

Patrick Thornton, marketing vet turned Catholic entrepreneur behind Tiny Saints and Catholic.store, joins Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein, at the famous Tiny Table for an episode that’s part improv, part inside-baseball for Catholic media, and all heart. From Chicago-to-Denver-to-Irving life moves and father-of-many/grandpa stories, to the ‘Tiny Saints Show’ (think “Catholic Bluey”) and why quality family content deserves real investment, Patrick keeps a dry wit while the Dudes serve up URL shenanigans, saint jokes, and a game of ‘Blessed Are the Joke Makers.’ The throughline: build excellent, joyful Catholic storytelling that the whole family can love, and help fund the pilot.

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Back the Tiny Saints Show pilot and help bring joyful, excellent Catholic family animation to life. Goal: ~$175,000 for the pilot episode (as of the episode’s recording). The Kickstarter campaign runs through October 23. Visit tinysaints.com and click the banner to watch the pitch video and support.

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