Sasquatch Odyssey

The Bigfoot Inquiry: Chimp Civil War


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This is another installment of The Bigfoot Inquiry with Brian and Dr. Hogan Sherrow, and the guys open with the recent follow-up email from Bill Munns regarding the Patterson-Gimlin Film and the upcoming Capturing Bigfoot documentary before moving on to other topics.

Brian narrated Bill's open letter in full on a recent Sasquatch Odyssey episode, and on this episode he and Hogan break down what Bill actually said and what it might mean. Bill doubles down on his position that the PGF is one hundred percent authentic, but in doing so he may have painted himself into a corner. If the forty-second clip in the new documentary turns out to look identical to Patty, then by Bill's own reasoning that clip has to be a man in a suit, which raises serious questions about the original film.

Brian also pushes back on Bill's claim that the new clip was shot on 1966 Kodak film stock but possibly not used until 1970 or later, arguing that filmmakers are creatures of habit who use their film within a reasonable window of purchase.Hogan brings the scientific perspective and pushes back on Bill's use of absolute language, explaining that science does not prove anything to one hundred percent and that any such claim is a methodological red flag.

He also takes issue with the assumption-based reasoning around the color of the foot, the angle of the step, and the supposed impossibility of anyone obtaining a Bigfoot suit. Both guys remind listeners that two things can be true at once, that the PGF could be a hoax and Bigfoot could still exist, and that everyone should reserve final judgment until they can see Capturing Bigfoot for themselves.

From there the conversation moves to Sasquatch Ontario and Mike Patterson's announcement of a new book called The Invisible Giant, which Brian considers part of one of the longest-running hoaxes in the Bigfoot world. That leads into a broader discussion of the growing divide in the Bigfoot community, which Hogan compares to the ongoing chimpanzee civil war at the Ngogo community in Uganda, the largest chimp group ever documented.

Hogan shares firsthand stories of being caught in the middle of chimp battles during his field research and explains how the loss of key social connectors can fracture a group, drawing a clear parallel to what is happening between the flesh-and-blood camp and the high-strangeness camp in Bigfoot research.Brian then previews his upcoming interview with David Bacara of the Expedition Bigfoot Museum in Blue Ridge, Georgia, and the guys discuss David's skepticism about Gigantopithecus and his belief that Sasquatch may be controlled by some other force. 

Hogan walks through the actual evidence for Gigantopithecus, including the Y-five dental pattern that identifies ape molars and the discovery of the original teeth being sold as dragon teeth in Chinese apothecary shops.

The episode also covers Brian's edge theory for why Bigfoot sightings happen in suburban areas, the importance of Occam's razor when evaluating high-strangeness reports, and Hogan's closing public service announcement on the difference between territories and home ranges in primates.

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