This is part two of my conversation with author and researcher Norman Sollie, and this is where the rubber meets the road. In our first episode together on Friday, Norman walked us through more than four decades of his own personal encounters with Sasquatch across Washington, Illinois, Massachusetts, Colorado, and Alaska. If you missed it, go back and listen to that one first. You're going to want the foundation.
In part two, we leave Norman's personal experiences behind and we dig into the work he's spent the last several years building. His brand-new book, Before Patty, Volume One: Patrick, the Sasquatch-Human Hybrid and Our Genetic Inheritance, lays out a case unlike anything I've seen in this field in close to forty years of paying attention.Norman walks me through the chain that brought him to the story in the first place, starting with a self-published Russian hominology book he picked up at the twenty nineteen International Bigfoot Conference in Kennewick, Washington, that pointed him toward an obscure American anthropologist named Dr. Ed Fusch and a nineteen ninety-two paper most of the Bigfoot community had never heard of.
He walks me through how genealogist Heather Moser of Small Town Monsters cracked the trail open in forty-eight hours, and how Norman then spent the next two years personally tracking Patrick across the entire historical record, eventually surfacing a hundred and sixty documents that all point to the same man.The case Norman lays out is built on hard evidence. Birth records placing Patrick's birth in June of eighteen ninety-two, three months earlier than the family officially declared, with the strong implication that his mother was moved off-reservation to Chelan, Washington, to give birth in privacy.
A land patent on a hundred and four acres of Colville Reservation ranch land, signed by President Woodrow Wilson in nineteen seventeen. Court filings and arrest records from Patrick's later years documenting his slide into Prohibition-era bootlegging and alcoholism. Mugshots from the front and the side that show a man whose anatomy does not fit a clean Homo sapiens profile. And a careful ink signature in Patrick's own hand, consistent across roughly twenty-five years of documents, that now sits on the cover of Norman's book.Norman gets into the comparative anatomy in detail. The steeply sloped forehead without compensating brow ridges. The brain case that extends back behind the ears in a way no typical Homo sapiens skull extends. The ears themselves, sitting noticeably below the line between the pupils and rotated backward by roughly twenty-two degrees. The completely missing chin, the absence of the bony mentum projection, a feature that lines up cleanly with what we know about Neanderthal jaw structure.
The short compressed neck that mirrors Neanderthal cervical vertebrae. Norman ran comparative tracings against a Colville Indian contemporary and an Alaskan Native control, scaled to the same dimensions, and Patrick falls outside the human range on virtually every measurement that matters.We get into the strangeness of Patrick the man. The farmhand Louie, who worked for him through the late nineteen twenties, described him as a quiet gentle boss who was nearly impossible to play cards against because he always knew what everybody else was holding. We get into his eight children, including the three surviving daughters Mary Louise, Madeline, and Stella, and the inheritance that shows up in their faces and bodies in varying degrees.
We get into Patrick's slow decline through the nineteen twenties and thirties, the loss of the ranch, the bootlegging arrests, the hops-picking years, and the death in a Seattle morning in nineteen sixty-two on the same day Norman himself first arrived in the United States as a small child.And we get to the bottom line. Norman makes the case, plainly, that Patrick was real. That his father was not a human father. That the abduction described in the Sinixt family memory was a real event, with a real consequence, and that the consequence walked the earth for seventy years and left a paper trail any researcher with the time and the patience can now verify.
Norman's view, which I share, is that if Patrick is real, then at least some of what we are seeing out there in the woods is biologically close enough to us to interbreed and produce viable offspring.
The implications of that are not small.
You can pick up Norman's book at beforepatty.com, or through Amazon in paperback, hardcover, and Kindle. Better yet, ask for it through your local independent bookseller or Barnes and Noble. Norman has volume two on the way, making the broader evolutionary case for Sasquatch, with volume three to follow on what he calls the weird stuff. I'll have him back when those drop.
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