Kevin sits down with one of his longtime white friend, Chase Maher, and talks about the current racial climate in America. They talk about everything Police Brutality, George Floyd, Racism, White Privilege, Candace Owens and everything in between. Both Kevin and Chase share their viewpoints on how we can best move forward and make a difference together. We encourage all black people to create these conversations with their non-black friends and begin to bridge the gap that systemic racism has created.
3 Black Boss Values
- We must have these uncomfortable conversations if we want to see genuine change
- Understand the post-traumatic syndromes that both races have
- If we want to see true equality, all races must come from an empathetic place
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Shownotes [1:08] Intro to the Episode - Black and White People having conversations about race
- Kevin introduces his good friend Chase (who is white) and opens the discussion about race
- They're lifelong friends and it’s important to have these conversations with people who are important to you
- They're keeping it real and honest
[2:34] Chase shares his thoughts about what happened to George Floyd
- Felt different the attention time, whether it’s because of quarantine and or because it was highly publicized but it felt different
- Disclaimer : This may not be politically correct but it’s the real and raw perspective
- Two sides : the black community is taking a stand, and getting the rightful attention
- Media in the past always put a little bit of doubt on the death of a black person but this time there was no doubt
[9:56] Social media and the impact on the masses
- Apps like Tik Tok, Twitter, Instagram - kids are now seeing the world as a whole and are seeing different perspectives on life outside of parent views
- The masses are able to see the youth / kids challenge their parents about their old racist belief systems
- CNN and other media outlets are can't 100% control the narrative because Social Media is showing what's really happening
[7:05] Chase has been educating himself on what black people want the white man to do
- Believes we should focus on the system that breeds racists and breeds inequality
- Wants to help and do what he can to help the black community
- Kevin and Chase discuss why black people have been pointing out the racists or the situations that poke and are subtly racist
[12:18] The social media arguments
- Chase feels like it’s a waste of time to argue and fight with people on Facebook about these issues
- He believes that we should go after what systematic structures influences racism and who controls the corrupt cops
- Kevin thinks we need to work from the TOP down and the BOTTOM up, and that way we'll get to the middle, but knows it’s taken years to come this far
- We live in a white supremacist country
[14:49] Black Boss Valuable Minute
- Kevin shares how you can become a member of the Black Boss Club AND also how you can save 10% off your first purchase at the Black Boss Store.
[16:21] Taking a look at the top - court systems, presidents, ceos
- The top of the top are the most racist, they hold the most money and profit from these systems
- Kevin shares the book “White Fragility”
- The people who are in power and are white don’t want black people to be equal because they feel like they’ll lose their power
[19:16] The “sprinkle of doubt” tactic
- Has been used to distract the public from what really takes place
- This tactic has been used since the Black Panther movement, painting it as a military group when it was not
- Murdering the person who has threatened the throne
- Social media is starting to showcase the reality
[23:53] Chase shares the white supremacists tactic to make “hemp” negative
- White leaders made the propaganda that hemp or weed was bad
- They started to plant hemp in the black communities and locked blacks up for it
- Used prisoners as cheap labor after slavery days
- Now, weed is legal and white people are making money from it and black people can’t get licenses to sell it
[29:35] Post-traumatic slave syndrome
- Generations pass down trauma through their DNA
- The same energy and pain is transferred down
- Why don’t white people get it? They may have post-traumatic white supremacist syndrome
[33:23] Does hunting cause people who have less emotional ties to people dying?
- Kevin and Chase disagree on this perspective
- White people who like hunting but why? Does it desensitize people from seeing others die
- People kill animals without any emotional tie to that animal
[41:27] There are black people who milk the system because they're are born thinking the world is against them
- There is passed down trauma and hatred through the system
- White people need to educate themselves and realize there’s black people that don’t fit the stereotypes they are taught
[44:07] Kevin hates when people say check your emotions
- If these same things were to happen to White people, they'd be emotional too
- Challenge white people to feel and understand the pain, stop looking for justifications and put yourself in these black people's situation
- This shit always happens to black people, and they're fed up
[49:43] Being woke and “virtue signaling”
- Somebody who is trying to be morally correct but is challenged by someone else saying you are not being morally correct enough
- People are being attacked when they're trying to do the right thing
- Why do white people feel the need to apologize for decades of racism?
[59:07] Chase believes America is not as racist as we are seen to be
- He thinks we aren’t as racist as we are painted to be
- America was the first time people were enslaved on the color of skin
- Day to day actions, it’s not that bad
- Racism exists everywhere but America is under a microscope
[1:04:25] If you want to learn something, figure it out
- There’s resources available
- White people need to take the initiative if they really want to learn
- Figure it out, black people aren’t here to make it easier for you
[1:07:49] Why are there so many guns in Chicago? In other black neighborhoods?
- Guns are being planted and dropped in these communities
- The government sets it up to keep these systems funded
- They light the fire
[1:14:10] How this black jazz member dismantled a group of KKK through a conversation
- Darrell Davis episode on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast
- Had a conversation with white people and showed them the reliability
- Black people have been conditioned and so have white people to think a certain way
[1:16:46] Interracial marriages and love
- Chase’s friend shared a post to see how many racists he knows saying “would you let your daughter marry a black man?”
- People brought up religion and other ideals to explain why they wouldn’t let that happen
[1:19:21] What is white privilege?
- Some white people don’t like the term because it portrays that their life is easy
- Chase thinks too many people anchor white privilege on wealth and an easy upbringing but it’s not that
- To him, white privilege is getting the upper hand because of their color or name
- Benefiting in the workforce due to whiteness
- Cops not having their hand on their gun when you are pulled over
- Landlords skipping over the application
[1:26:49] How Kevin gamed the system and got away from lack
- Kevin received opportunities by leaving out his GPA
- He had other credentials and experiences that weighed heavier than his grades
- His name also doesn’t seem black
- He worked hard to make the right movements
[1:39:38] How can we stop losing focus?
- The looting and rioting and people being killed, distracting from the reason
- We need to stay focused on the matter and the reason
- People with money are trying to change the narrative
[1:46:40] Diving into the looting and connection to politics
- There’s a difference between certain types of looting
- They are setting up bricks and encouraging this behavior
- People with money are trying to change the narrative
- The rhetoric on politics is that if you’re black then you have to vote Democratic
- People shouldn’t be party specific
- Don’t believe you have to pick a side
[2:00:37] Candace Owens - the modern snitch
- Conservative black female
- She has now taken it too far, and is being ignorant
- White people using her as an anchor to prove that the black experience is BS
- Black people view her as a cop-out, racist with a black face
[2:08:20] Symbols and their correlation to pain
- The swastika may cause pain to Jewish people
- The confederate flag may cause pain to black people, thinking it represents racism
- The MAGA hat now symbolizes white supremacist pride for this era
- People need to recognize that certain symbols do cause people pain
[2:17:30] We need to fix the system
- There’s only so much that the people can do
- We need to change the dollar bill, we need wider change
- You can only march and have a peaceful protest for so long, without proper action being taken
- MLK was assassinated and he was peacefully protesting
- The first 8 out of 12 presidents had slaves
- All of our money has slave owners
[2:27:39] Black on black crime
- Something that white people use to deflect from police brutality
- It does not exist
- “Black on black crime” is another example of infiltrating and propaganda to cast doubt
[2:35:13] What can the black community do to make a change?
- Learn our history, discover the truth and understand the facts
- Build ourselves economically, become more entrepreneurial, stop making excuses and take action
- Make the choice to create generational wealth
- Personal Development
[2:41:11] The Doll Test
- An experiment where kids of all races asked questions pertaining to Black vs. White Dolls
- All the positive questions asked was in favor of White Doll
- All the negative questions asked was in favor of Black Doll
[2:43:20] Group Economics
- Black people have so much purchasing power yet we are broke
- Different cultures spend money within their community before they spend elsewhere
- Black wall street was the last community of thriving black people
[2:45:46] What can white people do to make a change in the culture?
- Stop making excuses and using certain areas to defend our point
- They need to have empathy, understand and see what black people think before creating a counterargument
- Chase can see this side because he grew up and learned about black people
- Focus on your hiring practices, where you're spending your money, look at your habits and see why you made those decisions
- Check their perspective on police
- Educate our children that racism is not okay and teach them about white privilege
Resources
- White Fragility
- Black Labor, White Wealth
- Snap Judgment - Daryl Davis podcast
- Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome
