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00:00.00

Max Shank

Welcome back everybody to Monday and mornings with max and Mike Today we were chatting before we hit record and Mike wisely suggested we hit record before we talk for an hour. We're talking about tools. We were talking about skills. Had an interesting experience where I was building a box but it wasn't any kind of box. It was actually a strongman pinata for a friend of mine and so I hung up this box in a tree. And had a sledgehammer that he had to go find as part of this scavenger hunt and when a box a wood box is not wedged against the ground if it's just hanging.

00:42.54

mikebledsoe

Um.

01:52.60

Max Shank

You can hit that thing pretty much as hard as you want if it's wellmade with a sledgehammer and it's really hard because the forest dissipates throughout anyway, it was a fun ah thing for my friend's birthday shout out Anders. You're the man did a great scavenger hunt. But it made me realize how little I know about the principles of woodworking construction in general and it also made me start thinking about the tools required to do certain jobs and I was talking Mike I was talking with you just a second ago. About how I breezed right past using the simple tools. Well and I just in None fell swoop I bought a friend's full set of tools when I didn't know anything I had basically just purchased a home. And I had a drill from before but I didn't really have any any tools so I bought this whole ah batch of tools and half of them I didn't even know what they were a quarter of them I knew what they were but I didn't know when to use them and the other quarter. Actually have learned how to use and it makes me wish that I had gone back and just started with a drill and a hammer and a saw or a chisel or something like that and I think um, the same thing is true for all types of education.

04:01.32

mikebledsoe

Oh.

05:06.28

Max Shank

I Think we fly right through so quick to ah, some end result before really understanding the principles involved. Ah I found myself having to use a little math for these projects which was very exciting but what I realized is so. Ah, cool is when you build something the the math is important but all of the geometry and stuff is very incomplete because I remember in math Class. You usually don't account for the thickness of a material so there are all these. Minor adjustments that you have to make so I think ah yeah I would ah I am doing it now I'm going back in time and relearning the the simple principles of using a saw and a drill and fastening. Pieces of wood together and cutting different types of angles and slots and it's It's been.. It's been really fun.

06:36.70

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, that that journey really resonates with me you were you were talking about the tools and ah everything that was happening over the weekend and and how you all this shit. You don't need and I had a very similar experience. Yeah I grew up I grew up in Construction. My dad had his own construction company and um, you know I witnessed him use a lot of tools that I didn't use that I never use because they were advanced So like I'd seen them and then I got a toolbox when I was a kid. I was like in my mid teens and that's that was my Christmas gift the most disappointing Christmas gift I ever received was a tool empty Toolbox I could put tools in it I would greatly appreciate that now at some it. He's like it's like like man.

08:56.90

Max Shank

Sounds like the best gift ever now.

08:27.40

mikebledsoe

My dad was just a little ahead of himself. Um, you know I think he was He did a good job of instilling the things that are important even if it wasn't the thing that was gonna make me the happiest in the moment. Ah, and yeah, what a good guide that guy was.

09:30.76

Max Shank

Um, right I think that's called parenting.

09:06.60

mikebledsoe

Ah, so um, but yeah I I spent years accumulating and losing tools and I moved around a lot so I didn't stay in one spot so something that did recently and you talked he said something you know about.

10:07.00

Max Shank

Ah.

09:42.50

mikebledsoe

Being able to go back in time or go back and do it over again is I I basically did that because I got I got rid of all my personal belongings in 2018 and got down to 2 bags and traveled nomatically and ah there was like None little box of tools that were. That were like they're they're good for vehicles like they're everything you would need in a vehicle to is something were to go wrong. You know, just ah, a socket set and and a few wrenches. Nothing.

11:10.40

Max Shank

E.

11:21.20

Max Shank

Would you know what to do I I would not know what to do ah with the perfect speaking of skills if you gave me the perfect car tool set and a car that wasn't working forget it I would have no idea how to apply that tool set.

11:09.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I was fortunate because my dad in his all of his foresight. He made sure I had classic cars growing up and so he made me pay for them but he really encouraged me to get classic cars because they are.

12:11.74

Max Shank

Oh.

11:47.54

mikebledsoe

Much easier to work on you know? Yeah, so if you anything before 1973 or 4 Yeah, everything is a hundred percent mechanical so right yeah the the electronics go as far as like the radio.

12:34.48

Max Shank

They're simpler machines.

12:49.78

Max Shank

No No electronics. The dash or something. Yeah.

12:26.62

mikebledsoe

The yeah the dash but like you don't you don't have fuel injection. There's nothing happening in the engine that's run electronically. There's no chips.

13:25.20

Max Shank

There's no power being adjusted to individual wheels during a turn via some computer making 60000 ah calculations per millisecond and you're like oh I'll just fix the computer.

12:47.80

mikebledsoe

Right? right.

13:09.92

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, so there's um, ah I think it was 1974 it was due to the oil crisis at the time which there's a lot of similarities between the 1970 s and the 2020 s in regard to if you look at.

14:20.20

Max Shank

Me.

13:44.62

mikebledsoe

What's happening geopolitically and economically, there's exactly yeah yeah, a little bit of pushback is what we're starting to witness with that as well. Um, yeah, there's a lot of similarities. Ah but 1 of the things that happened was in 1973 or 4

14:34.34

Max Shank

Psychedelic Resurgence currently too pretty cool.

14:24.36

mikebledsoe

They basically made they they wanted fuel. They wanted vehicles to become much more fuel efficient because the cost of oil was going up because of some opec shit that was going on so that's where fuel injectors came in now before that was mechanically driven fuel injection through Carburetors. So The the cool thing is is. My dad I don't know if he did this on purpose or not but with ah with a older vehicle. It is Simpler So It's easier to learn how to work on the other thing is is I'm confident now because I I rebuilt everything on cars I'm confident that if you gave me a carburet like a car that had a carburetor I could figure it out.

16:24.78

Max Shank

Qua.

15:43.32

mikebledsoe

And so um I'm not saying I would like figure it out like Macgyver in 10 seconds but I could I would eventually figure it out. It's been a long time but you start throwing all these electronics in and yeah, now you have to plug a computer into it just to know what's going on. So um.

16:34.68

Max Shank

Down.

16:22.70

mikebledsoe

So I know the basics.

17:04.66

Max Shank

It's a bit of an ego. It's a bit of an ego check too to go back and relearn the simple mechanics of things right? How how exact like how fluid passes through. Ah.

16:36.20

mikebledsoe

Things you think you should have learned or I should know by it as a man I should know this shit.

17:37.88

Max Shank

Pipe and what happens when it meets a junction and the pressure involved right? and the action of different things and just a really basic valve a very basic pump learning how these things work because I I realized I I mean I'm still not. Ah, educated in it. But you realize just what a tremendous amount of the world Around. You is only functioning because all of these parts are working exactly as they should and as soon as they would stop. You. At least I would at the time have no clue what's wrong or even how to ah track. Ah what might be wrong is wild.

18:28.24

mikebledsoe

Yeah I I find myself I want to get back to the tools but I like this track we're on because it makes me think about None thing I notice out in the world is um and again I think a lot of this has to do with. Ah. What a good job. My dad did raising me is I understand I didn't know that I understood how things worked better than most people and what I witness in the world now is people I watched them doing something I'm like don't do it like that you're going to fuck that thing up.

20:21.78

Max Shank

And it seems obvious to you it. It seems like I knew this when I was 8 But that's how I would be if I went to a farm the 10 year old kid would watch me doing something be like what are you? an idiot. That's not how you dig a trench like that's not how you drive a post.

19:40.66

mikebledsoe

And then it's gonna be broken or it's not gonna It's so obvious I'm like why would they do that.

19:56.78

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well.

20:13.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, but but when it comes down to and I look at something not not only was I taught how it's not just that I was taught how to do it. My dad did a good job in teaching me like end to end how it worked and why it worked like he was very big on the principles of like.

20:59.28

Max Shank

Dumb ass.

20:50.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, when you do this at least this this is the end result we're looking for and so I think a lot of times people are so focused on the end result that they don't They don't take the time to understand the process of how it gets there and they don't appreciate it either. So There's like ah, a really great appreciation that I have for. Ah technology because I understand enough about the ins and outs of how this thing works that um that it's I appreciate more and I can fix it quickly if I needed if needed. Um, so something I got into young as well as I got into computers I got into building computers.

22:30.32

Max Shank

Oh my God yeah.

22:04.60

mikebledsoe

And I got into running networks and yeah I can see.

22:49.22

Max Shank

You can follow the flow of energy. Basically you understand the flow of energy which is about relationships like the thing that blows my mind is there's no such thing as a thing which sounds Silly. So I'm gonna say it Again. There's no such thing as a thing because it's. Only describable in relation to other things. So if you have all of these end results and you have no idea how to track the energy flow of what's going On. It's like you're just in an ocean of darkness where you have no Clue. You're just kind of being ah, bounced around.

23:22.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's I've had us. Ah, my most recent experience of this is um, for 14 years of entrepreneurship I never did my books I always had a bookkeeper I I outsourced it heavily and one of the reasons.

24:06.12

Max Shank

By these forces.

24:35.52

Max Shank

Me too still. Do.

23:59.26

mikebledsoe

None of the reasons. Yeah what what? I stopped doing that recently one of the reasons I outsourced it heavily is because my none business partner ever what he had a ah master's in finance so he didn't even. He didn't even share I didn't even bother to look and he didn't share the profit loss the balance sheet like I really had no idea he would just tell me a thing. It was basically a thumbs up or thumbs down system and I was flying in the dark and um.

25:20.12

Max Shank

Right.

25:34.32

Max Shank

Right.

25:47.36

Max Shank

Um, which has its advantages I think has its advantages. Yeah.

25:08.74

mikebledsoe

At the end of the there were oh it. It allowed me to move really fast. So because of that business partner I was able to run barbell shrug with I didn't understand how I didn't understand the all the reporting but we were making millions of dollars a year. So.

26:23.36

Max Shank

The.

25:46.70

mikebledsoe

You know there there was a benefit now. The drawback was was when I no longer had that person and I found another I found another Cfo who also did an amazing job. But what I understood was when when that existing system ceased to be.

26:40.28

Max Shank

Right.

27:07.98

Max Shank

Her.

26:25.62

mikebledsoe

And I didn't have all the same people. It required me to understand learn things and I felt like and and this was accurate I had to go back and learn some really fundamental things about bookkeeping about accounting about ah cash flow cause really it comes down to cash flow and Cash Flow. Management and so I mean if you look at Accounting. It's I mean it's a big scam because the whole point of accounting is so you know how much to pay in taxes at the end of the day. But if you that's what that's what modern day accounting is yeah the majority of.

28:06.26

Max Shank

True True true. Yeah.

27:40.34

mikebledsoe

You know I wouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars a year on accounting if cut. Yeah, exactly yeah go. Um.

28:26.16

Max Shank

Is it counting kind of like cutting your switch for the Taxman You know you? you know if you're in trouble you have to like in your parents a real thug. They're like go cut a tree branch so I can beat you with it and that's what accounting is like.

28:11.22

mikebledsoe

Yeah, go go pick out. Go pick out your switch. Yeah, ah so ah, so the way I look at it now is look I gotta count I handle the tax ship but my job is cash flow management and the way I see it.

29:14.22

Max Shank

That's the.

29:30.28

Max Shank

Which is energy management right? which comes back to relationships you got to be able to track the energy flow and the relationship from 1 point to the next just the same way you got to be able to track the gasoline from the fuel tank.

28:51.16

mikebledsoe

Is if energy management and if I.

29:11.92

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

30:09.76

Max Shank

All the way to the exhaust can you track that gasoline all the way through you're probably going to have a decent idea of how this system is working together and actually cash is really good symbol for fuel or vice versa actually like fuel and cash.

29:59.16

mikebledsoe

I Think it's a great. Ah.

30:49.80

Max Shank

And a motor is like ah you you could also think of it like a cell instead of something man-made. But actually you know an organization can be looked at as a motor or as a cell or a creature or as an ecosystem I Think the motor analogy is a little bit more. Ah, tool-based and cold and the cell analogy or like a tree or something like that. But you're still tracking the flow of energy just the same Way. You could track the flow of gasoline through a car you could track the flow of Photon Photosynthesis. Ah, through a tree and you can understand the water and how the carbon dioxide from the air is converted into sugar through this process like you can understand the energy flow and transformation and cash flow is kind of the same thing you're understanding. How energy is transformed through that organism or organization which is your business.

32:10.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and and um, you're spot on I mean I like the the classic car mechanical analogy because it is so much simpler and so that's a great place to start if you start with the complexity of a cell. You know, now there's ah it exactly? Yeah, not. That's that's advanced I mean I think that is a great analogy but in the beginning if you don't understand the cash flow which is.

33:38.98

Max Shank

Our sales team is the Mitochondria and it's like wait wait. What? no.

33:29.11

mikebledsoe

Can you look at your profit loss. Can you look at your bash your balance sheet and your cash flow reporting like if you can't look at those and those tell you a story that make that they go Oh I know now how to make it doesn't It won't inform you on how to make all the decisions in your business. It's not gonna.

34:44.80

Max Shank

Right.

34:06.34

mikebledsoe

Gonna tell you who to hire. But it's gonna tell you what position to hire for right? And so um and people at the highest levels are making most of the decisions based on the numbers the higher up you get in your in your thinking and your business is that now here's the thing about I've learned about money. Is that I am um I'm in charge of the cash flow of my own cash flow management and the better I can manage what I currently have the more I'll be able to manage in the future If You think that. Adding more Cash. Ah I think most people walk around and I used to I used to walk around thinking like this if I just had more money then I'd be able to save and invest and I'd be I'd be a better steward of the money I had if there were more pete. That's what people.

36:36.54

Max Shank

If only.

36:00.58

mikebledsoe

That's what people believe but the truth is is if you become what is.

36:49.96

Max Shank

It's a very protective phrase it if only I had something then I could do this other thing If only if only I Yeah, it's it's perfect. Yes, very protective. Yeah no I'm I'm good.

36:19.32

mikebledsoe

Yeah, it's conditional and it's outside of yourself. You're not responsible for it. Yeah yeah.

37:23.48

Max Shank

I'm not I'm barely even related to this this dream here I have nothing to do with it. So it's related to something else. My my dream. My dream is related to the breeze.

36:51.40

mikebledsoe

Ah, yes, so this false belief is what keeps people in this this cycle of defeat in regard to to money is because. They don't understand how it flows because they're afraid to look at it. There's an emotional response to being present with the money. Step None is check your bank account every day now that doesn't tell you the whole story It's just a snapshot in time. But if you start doing that and then you learn about bookkeeping and you learn about. Ah. And you learn about cash flow management. You start getting to a more advanced conversation about cash flow. It is it can be in my experience. It's been incredibly painful in the short term. It's it's it can be frustrating. It takes way more time than I think it should take I sit down.

39:15.80

Max Shank

Like organizing the garage for me. But but once you get the the nuts and bolts in the same place and once you get the drill and the saw and the sandpaper and the grinders and the chisels all in their own like place.

38:39.92

mikebledsoe

Like organizing the garage.

39:52.28

Max Shank

Then you look at this organized grid and like I was telling you before we started this show. It's ah it's never been something ah that I have had as a work environment I have just thrived in chaos as soon as something urgent comes up I go into a. Hurricane of activity and I relentlessly pursue this thing ignoring everything else. But as you know I'm 34 now I'm appreciating more and more the clarity of having a clean. Space and a tightly organized Ah Toolbox ah tool shed garage workshop all that stuff and I think that understanding ah like we say you know as within so without same thing with the organization of. Your tools which are basically ah levers to amplify your energy or refocus your energy conversion same thing with the business. It's do you have everything tightly organized so you can really see what you need to see so you can know. When it's right to use which tool available to you? Um I Like to think of that energy flow also from a ah customer flow Standpoint. There's always this flow of customers who um.

41:45.88

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

42:59.46

Max Shank

You know you just capture their attention and that's the top layer of that funnel and the reason the funnel analogy works so well is because it has like gravity involved into it and there's this effortlessness where things just flow down into the funnel and it's this ah mathematical.

42:17.84

mikebledsoe

O.

43:37.64

Max Shank

Reduction to a focal point that um, it really describes um a nat a pretty natural probability curve too. But if you ah understand like how many people. You're capturing their attention. How many people you're keeping their attention because that's a form of energy your your attention is like I'm going to be bold here. Your attention is like Quantum energy because there is no math that can describe I mean maybe there is. There's no math that can really describe the potential power and force that can be driven ah through a person's Attention. So I think understanding how the flow of the attention of your customers and also eventually the cash of your customers is really important. For deciding which tools to use next. Do you hire a different marketing department. Do you need someone to work on ads. Do you need someone to ah improve the actual product itself because you get None of people who see it but then everyone hates it I mean it's so much easier to see. What to do next and I think uncertainty is really useful and of course the natural quality of life is uncertainty. We like to kid ourselves like we know what's going to happen next month.

45:53.14

mikebledsoe

The ah anything that's certain is ah is illusory. Yeah, the trick we plan ourselves to make ourselves feel safe so that we can actually get shit done If yeah.

46:44.66

Max Shank

Right? But but the more but but it does feel. Yeah and it does feel safer when we know more stuff like the illusion is useful. You know if we didn't have that illusion. We could not have this weekly appointment that I have found very.

46:34.58

mikebledsoe

Absolutely not? yeah.

47:22.82

Max Shank

That I have found very enriching We have to both believe the lie of next fucking monday.

46:50.86

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well the live that there's days of the week for one wait. Not yeah, but um, but it's it's a useful to useful belief to use it very confident.

47:43.96

Max Shank

Right? And that there will be a next one I feel pretty confident that we will talk again next week but what's that confidence based on. It's not based on certainty. What's that.

47:30.24

mikebledsoe

Um, I mean I be ah well look I the way another something I find very useful is attention is the most important thing because I love what Tony Robbins says which is where your attention goes energy flows and.

48:21.52

Max Shank

Voodoo.

48:46.94

Max Shank

Right.

48:09.52

mikebledsoe

Incredibly accurate. Here's the thing your energy is flowing all the time. No matter what it is moving and flowing and your attention is dictating where it goes and so a lot of times the the hardest thing for someone to do the the highest amount of effort. To get something going is to make the choice to do it to change the inertia of the moment. Oh I'm lying in bed right now. But I I want to go for a walk I Want to go work out the hardest part of starting to work out is actually putting on. Your gym clothes and walking into the gym and doing the None movement. That's the hardest part after that working out's enjoyable sometimes going to bed is hard to do. But once you get in bed. You're glad you're there. It's because we are.

50:31.96

Max Shank

And then.

49:57.28

mikebledsoe

Constantly choosing where our tension is at the energy is moving. So I think that I didn't get.

50:47.74

Max Shank

Or or we're just scratching an itch like the the itch becomes enough that we get up and scratch it and that's that's really all it is is you're waiting for a painful enough catalyst and and and then you could argue that nothing is difficult.

50:25.94

mikebledsoe

It's painful enough enough pain.

51:25.44

Max Shank

It's just that you have this sensation of things you do want to do this sensation of things You don't want to do and if you don't want to do it. The pain has to be very significant and if you already want to do it. The pain could be almost nothing.

51:13.68

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and you know we're surrounded by people who try to warn us about the the incoming pain they say you know if you keep doing things this way then the pain. The pain is gonna get really big but you don't you don't believe it. You don't believe it and then.

52:18.22

Max Shank

Oh my oh my god I hate that I hate that um it make okay Jesus oh god.

51:52.80

mikebledsoe

And then one day they're fucking right? They you're like oh the pain is really outrageous now Oh had I only listened and made a different choice a little bit sooner I'd experience less pain right now. It's a good teacher.

52:58.34

Max Shank

Regrets. But how do you? How do you? determine fact from fiction like like rightfully so rightfully so an orthopedic surgeon could say don't do jujitsu. The risk is not worth it.

52:28.76

mikebledsoe

What what you got it. We got it.

52:45.24

mikebledsoe

Totally totally.

53:31.58

Max Shank

You're going to hurt yourself and you could a ah like hurt yourself badly and be like oh I should've listened to that guy or or you might not, you might have you know 40 years of fun and family and camaraderie not hurt yourself. Or see a combination of both. You could have this community and family and quality that you love and totally fuck yourself up and go you know what? I think that was still worth it. I mean look people still do Crossfit Pretty aggressively beyond their capacity and frankly.

53:43.56

mikebledsoe

You still have.

54:43.74

Max Shank

Whatever Kinks you're into exercise-wise powerlifting Olympic lifting I'm a bit of a tennis nut at the moment. It doesn't matter your flavor. Um, but as long as you're willing to pay the price who am I to say that you shouldn't pay that price because if you're getting a lot more out of something.

54:38.64

mikebledsoe

Um, ah.

55:22.52

Max Shank

Community Family activity. Even if you're ah, harming yourself to some extent Maybe as long as you think it's worth the price. You know who am I to say.

54:56.58

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well deciding who you're going to listen to who gives you the advice right? like like like an like an orthopedic surgeon telling you not to do jijitsu First you have to consider they're coming at you from an orthopedic surgeon perspective.

55:51.84

Max Shank

So tough.

55:34.70

mikebledsoe

Who probably doesn't do jujitsu and they're looking at you and going look I can I can tell you that this can be a ah poor choice in the ah in the realm of ah your bone and joint health you know and you go Okay, but what about all the other benefits.

56:45.58

Max Shank

Oh. Right? And you can't calculate. It. It's unknowable. That's why decision making is so tough.

56:14.52

mikebledsoe

You know that might come along with it and so so so so there's 2 ways that you can learn None is you can just wait for things to be so painful that you figure it out and you learn that way and or you could listen to other people now. We have and ah some people are yeah well you can also but here's the thing is it's not just you don't want to just listen to anybody right? you guys? What would you have is.

57:37.38

Max Shank

So through Belief or experience.

57:54.40

Max Shank

Ah, no, no, no, no, but but you can learn those two ways you can believe someone or you can experience it firsthand.

57:24.56

mikebledsoe

Totally totally and so you got to be careful about who you believe and you you got to go with their track record right? And so this is one of the things that I notice is that this is one of the this where wisdom is missing So wisdom can be passed down.

58:16.56

Max Shank

Yeah, no shit.

58:03.80

mikebledsoe

Or it can be developed by yourself and the problem is is that people are listening to people who have very poor track records and it's very fucking true and so a lot of times. Ah.

58:49.52

Max Shank

The.

59:07.82

Max Shank

Ah, yeah.

58:38.96

mikebledsoe

For instance, someone might listen to you know I won't get into anything that's too controversial. But yeah, the last couple years there was a lot of people giving advice from a place of authority that was that were obvious that they were not in alignment.

59:26.48

Max Shank

It's got to be a fable for that or something.

59:45.36

Max Shank

Bold claims.

59:17.34

mikebledsoe

Personally with the advice they were giving ah it was obvious that these were policies that were being passed down from a political perspective not due to science or or true ah medicine right? so.

01:00:24.38

Max Shank

Um, you mean Hypocrisy hypocrisy.

59:54.90

mikebledsoe

So but then I I look at a guy like Paul check and I go and ah, most people look at what Paul check says if they listen what he says a go that guy's fucking crazy I don't know how you could listen to that guy and I go. Ah.

01:01:06.42

Max Shank

Um, is that what most people say Ah, ah.

01:00:32.62

mikebledsoe

Yeah, if you introduce him to a mainstream person I'm talking about the mainstream people they they listen to them. They're like they're like man they may not say he's they may not say he's wrong, but they feel like he's extreme right? and and he is to you know he he's hes all in on the lifestyle.

01:01:47.12

Max Shank

He's he's beyond its extreme. It's incredible to see Actually you know the library and the the rocks and the the water charging and electric she and he is like this is what I'm doing I'm going to do this all day every day.

01:01:31.74

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well he he's the.

01:02:22.60

Max Shank

And this is what I got and very unapologetic I think he's ah, a really, He's a really cool cat. You know he's He's all in on that thing.

01:01:50.98

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and I'm not I'd say I'm on board with him for 98% of it and you know just every once when I'm like and not really for me. Not gonna fault him for. But yeah, like like who am I but um, but that's the guy listened to.

01:02:52.84

Max Shank

Um, yeah, he's a wizard. Right.

01:02:30.48

mikebledsoe

Like if I want health advice I listen to him I listen to Alex Rachinski he's one of ah Paul Chick's top guys.

01:03:17.90

Max Shank

So you got to be careful who you trust because you can make a ton of benefit trusting the right person like I got to trust you or someone like you to fix my car if you trust the wrong person to fix your car car's going to be fucked up. It's going to cost you a lot of money same thing with your body if someone's like hey.

01:02:53.78

mikebledsoe

Right.

01:03:56.30

Max Shank

You know, don't eat bananas because they have too much sugar. Maybe you believe that and you never have a banana and that's maybe not going to hurt you but you may be missing out so there it can be a negative. It can be just removing of a positive.

01:03:24.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we got look Yeah, we look at be one ways is track records but the other thing is also a lot of times people I think people are searching for that perfect mentor like this person has everything that I want and that's probably not going to happen and.

01:04:53.48

Max Shank

Oo yeah, the perfect teacher I'm just waiting I'm gonna I'm gonna really get it together once I find the perfect teacher see the problem Mike is I don't have a good role model I got all these guys that are like 90% role models. But it's just not enough for me to try anything yet. But.

01:04:28.74

mikebledsoe

A.

01:05:27.42

Max Shank

I Know the right guy is out there when I find him.

01:04:46.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so what I but I um I saw a a psychic once and she said stop looking for a mentor. There aren't any for you. You're gonna be your own and and I was like okay, whatever and um.

01:05:54.32

Max Shank

Oh yeah.

01:05:26.12

mikebledsoe

And and but it did get me thinking and I go you know there is no one person who really is living the lifestyle that I want to live like there's like if I really sit and dream about what's my ideal Lifestyle. No One's doing it now. There are people who have figured out the business stuff. Are people who figured out the health stuff they have figured out the things that I'm interested in but they I don't know anyone who's figured out the business side and the health side and the family side and all these things. Yeah except for max. Yeah, That's why you're here, but um, ah the.

01:06:47.80

Max Shank

It's very exciting.

01:07:05.60

Max Shank

Um, except for me except for me obviously. Is that is that a dig at both of us that we're that we're here Talking. He's like it's like you're such a loser. You're here talking to me. Ah.

01:06:44.72

mikebledsoe

Are.

01:07:01.74

mikebledsoe

So My my what I started doing I was like I was like look I'm gonna just learn about business from this guy I don't you know what? if he starts talking about anything that's not business grain assault it doesn't mean I'm gonna stop listening but I understand that he's the expert in this. And I'm gonna take from that he may be great. There's so many people who are really good at business and some of the health advice they give is really good for someone who's just obese and out of shape. But you know like they're not giving me health advice and someone who is some of the the top people in Health I mean you know you know this as well Like. Don't listen them for business advice at all and you want the relationships totally.

01:09:06.38

Max Shank

Or or relationship advice or you know language communication skills I mean you know you gotta separate the trait from the the persona like this mask that people like people just wear this mask and they're like I'm this guy I'm.

01:08:47.58

mikebledsoe

E.

01:09:45.84

Max Shank

This is my character.. What do you think?? Ah, the last thing you want to do because then you get trapped two ways. Ah you'll dislike some people so ah, aggressively. That you'll ignore what they say even if they say something really wise that would be super helpful for you. So I think I'm actually quite good at this because I dislike so many. No I'm just kidding but you have to be able to separate the bit of information that is being.

01:09:35.76

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, have the um.

01:10:49.84

Max Shank

Sent to you that you are receiving the message that you're receiving from the messenger. It's like don't kill the messenger but hey look don't glorify him either and that's maybe the the key to messaging in general is you don't want to glorify but you also don't want to kill the messenger and it should.

01:10:21.26

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, um.

01:11:26.14

Max Shank

You want to try to separate it from how you feel about the ah the persona or the the mask um it it makes me think of ancient Egypt. Of course where they would do trials in the dark so you couldn't be swayed by knowing who was who ah so.

01:11:14.80

mikebledsoe

Move.

01:12:04.20

Max Shank

I Think that's really important but certainly ah.

01:11:30.58

mikebledsoe

It's a skill. It's a skill to develop is to not throw the baby out with the bathwater and I I um I ah yeah I was talking to Ashley the other day I was like I'm she's like.

01:12:22.64

Max Shank

It's like a ego release I don't like that guy So I'm gonna reject him.

01:12:06.16

mikebledsoe

Man you you tend to get a lot of hard cases like I'm I'm very good at dealing with difficult men men who tend to be you know? Ah,, there's something that's that's wounded or there's some like heavy. Ah, ego or whatever it is. They're real heavy and something and they they tend they um they tend to they tend to turn a lot of people off. But for some reason I have the patience to sit through some of the bullshit or.

01:13:34.80

Max Shank

Feels like I'm being attacked right now.

01:13:19.54

mikebledsoe

You know, a lot of the the what's guarded in order to get to the gold and I was like yeah think that like like I I'm not quick to and a lot of it just comes down to Judgment. It's like yeah I'm I'm really just always looking for the good and everybody and. And not that they're a good person but that they have something that is of value I look for the value in every single person because I know that every single person they know something deeply that I I don't know yet and ah everything about who they are is what has created that.

01:15:01.72

Max Shank

Oh.

01:14:34.60

mikebledsoe

That possibility from that for them to have that Knowledge. So for me to judge all parts of them before I get to that nugget would it would keep me from finding it but also like coming from a place of appreciating like the reason a guy you know. But try to stay away from naming names. But the reason some of these people that they're they're kind of crazy in a lot of ways. They're not.. They're not mainstream, but the the gold is with the people who are so outside they're outliers that most people can't understand or get along with them.

01:16:05.20

Max Shank

Crazy compared to what I mean they're all relative terms. But I think that's.

01:16:24.80

Max Shank

The freaks the freaks the teslas you know the person the the ah marcones they're like hey what do you think if we like vibrate something through the air across the atlantic and they're like yeah that sounds that would be really nice if we could send messages.

01:15:48.12

mikebledsoe

But free. Yeah.

01:17:03.82

Max Shank

Across this gigantic Ocean. They're like yeah,, let's let's try it out like the freaks are where you get like the really juicy Gold. It's like we all get a shovel and if you dig one hole your entire Life. You're going to dig a lot deeper into that topic or you can dig a bunch of different holes. Like I'll dig a tennis hole over here I'll dig a fitness hole over here I'll dig a you know philosophy hole over here and like a nietzsche hole and a young and you know you're digging all these holes but the people who only dig one hole and they go all the way down they go as deep as they can. With this fucking topic I speak from personal experience because while I have a lot of diverse interests. It All does come back to energy transformation whether it's tennis where we're like I'm literally transforming the ah energy of my body. Transferring it into the ball when I'm playing music same thing I'm basically turning sausages into sound with my fingers. So I eat sausages I get the energy to move my fingers. It makes noise. It's incredible. But. I have spent such a tremendous amount of time in ah fitness and Health ah pain Mobility Strength athleticism that I feel a little crazy about it and you can't help Um, but. Feel compassion for people who are just barely into the Journey. You know you realize like are they bad? Are they good. It's like they're on a different path even if they're on the same path as you they're either ahead or behind or left or right it's um, it's It's all compassion related that allows you. To let people feel free and open to let that energy out because usually it's an energy blockage and that's what the ego is the ego is like an energy trap and it it captures some of the shit right? you and I have a conversation. And it's basically 1 plus 1 makes 3 because it's you and I and now there's this ah Harmony or resonance between us and it could be more dissonant or it could be more resonant and harmonious. But it's this third, it's this. Third thing that is the relationship between those entities and if you say something I like or you just say nice things about me. Maybe my ego filter will like capture those things I'll be like ah I'm gonna I'm gonna store this energy up now and it's usually not conscious.

01:21:35.28

mikebledsoe

A.

01:22:35.68

Max Shank

Which things we store and which things we don't but it can ah it can direct the flow and it can also plug the flow if you get too much ego in there. So the ego diverts the flow but it can also clog it up a little bit.

01:22:25.38

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, agreed I want to shift back because I never finished one point that I got what is extremely practical for people and that is started saying that.

01:23:11.92

Max Shank

That's kind of how I think of it.

01:23:02.20

mikebledsoe

When you were talking about being able to go back and rebuild your toolset and I did that because I went nomadic didn't have anything and I've since purchased a house three months ago and I rented a house for twelve months in Austin Texas and. It was I still didn't a it didn't feel like home didn't I didn't feel very permanent I really couldn't do anything to the House. So I I didn't accumulate any new tools there but in the last three months of owning a home I have a i.

01:24:37.30

Max Shank

A.

01:24:12.46

mikebledsoe

I've been very selective about which tools I buy because I walk into home Depot now and I want to buy everything I'm like oh I know what this could be used for I Know what this could be used for. But I yeah but that's that's the um.

01:25:09.52

Max Shank

That's what I did I was like supermarket sweep I was like hustling around there with a shopping cart just throwing stuff in the thing.

01:24:49.40

mikebledsoe

That's that's the warrior energy. Um Paul check had this conversation with me Doug and anders and he talked yeah, the the warrior tries to fucking kill everything and and part of that is he tries to accumulate the the warrior doesn't isn't worried about boundaries.

01:25:45.66

Max Shank

Hoarding.

01:25:25.80

mikebledsoe

He wants to see how big he can build the empire. How much can I accomplish how much can I accumulate The warrior is trying to accumulate and accomplish as much as possible. Yeah, it's the end and then and then when you move into the King Archetype What? you.

01:26:28.60

Max Shank

It's like the inhale.

01:26:01.42

mikebledsoe

What you move into is you and you realize how much energy is needed to maintain. Ah all of those new those boundaries. It's like oh I could go weigh the fuck over there but do I want to build a wall that far out and then have to protect.

01:27:15.96

Max Shank

Manage it.

01:26:38.94

mikebledsoe

And manage everything inside that wall and so a good king when when Matures well goes. You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna draw a boundary that's inside of my ability to manage it and this goes back to money management too. It's like living within your means is a really good practical application of this. Spend less than you make and so the the War The the warrior will walk into home Depot and fill the basket with a bunch of stuff that he thinks he may need ah for some future project because there's an idea but when you when someone gets in the King Archetype which.

01:28:04.60

Max Shank

Seems simple.

01:27:56.30

mikebledsoe

Like it's funny because I I heard this and as I've you know in the last couple years I've I've felt myself moving into it and I think that especially especially in the the spiritual community right now people are like talking about Kings and queens and all this in in the woooo community.

01:29:07.88

Max Shank

I Prefer to be a thought of as a God King is a little lower I wanted to be like the emperor of exercise for a while but it didn't really satisfy my craving for divine power. So I'm skipping I was warrior for a long time Emperor king.

01:28:34.94

mikebledsoe

A.

01:29:01.50

mikebledsoe

Well I think what's important when we think about archetypes is you're you are able to ah cultivate the energy of that archetype you are not that archetype don't don't let the ego get confused and that you're not a King you're not.

01:29:45.14

Max Shank

Not really my speed. So.

01:30:20.58

Max Shank

It's like putting on a persona.

01:29:40.96

mikebledsoe

You're not a warrior you are you are inhabiting the energy of a warrior you are inhabiting and so I think that's it's you're playing a character. It's It's a really healthy place to approach psychologically because it allows you to be much more agile in your thinking and your ability to to.

01:30:38.60

Max Shank

You're playing a character almost.

01:30:20.24

mikebledsoe

Show up the way is needed for the the moment people who get stuck in 1 identity you know thing it works for a while and then it becomes troublesome but going back to the.

01:31:19.44

Max Shank

Well to be a good Tactician you need to be able to put yourself in the perspective of the other entities involved in your campaign. So let's say No yeah I mean.

01:30:56.16

mikebledsoe

Yeah, if you're ever gonna get to that point where you're actually working strategy like you're gonna get to the you're gonna be able to happen. Yeah, well this is why if you read a king warrior magician lover in order to get to the to a really well suited King Archetype and be able to.

01:31:54.34

Max Shank

Isn't all life that.

01:31:36.60

mikebledsoe

Energize that well is you have to have really explored the other archetypes because you have to understand how to have command over them. Um, and so um, so for for myself instead of walking in the home depot the last few months and

01:32:35.56

Max Shank

A he.

01:32:12.94

mikebledsoe

I've I wanted to there was the thought oh I could get this. This would be really good for this project I should get this for whatever I said no only and my girlfriend did the same that she was like she's like what don't you get the thing you know I can tell you want to get I'm like like yeah but I'm not gonna use it today and home depot is 5 minutes from my house.

01:33:03.80

Max Shank

Right.

01:33:23.18

Max Shank

Yeah, boom.

01:32:49.96

mikebledsoe

So it's not like you know and I know that there's there's a store near you too. It's not like you have to travel hours away to get your shit and now we got Amazon prime. Yeah, but yeah, and so now I just get I've been getting the tools that I really need.

01:33:47.88

Max Shank

You can order it online. Also you can order almost any tool.

01:33:28.88

mikebledsoe

For what I for that day that week. Whatever it is whatever project and only the ones I need and if I can borrow it and it's easy to get my hands on it I'll do that first because I may only need it once and so I've been slowly accumulating tools. So one of the things I've done is I've stuck with 1 brand for all my power tools.

01:34:33.00

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

01:34:46.16

Max Shank

I did the same ah, that's what I do I like the color it makes me feel cool. It makes me feel cool to have a drill that is like good enough for a contractor to use all day and I use it for 4 minutes every three weeks

01:34:07.56

mikebledsoe

Um, and I just I go with the wall and I oh sweet they and.

01:34:36.00

mikebledsoe

Exactly exactly. Ah.

01:35:23.24

Max Shank

You know I have this like heavy duty I have this heavy duty like Twisty gun with this five amp hour battery twenty is so aggressive for what I usually use it for but I love having like buy once cry once get like one good.

01:35:04.92

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:35:59.12

Max Shank

Tool especially for the core group. Ps yeah ah.

01:35:18.14

mikebledsoe

Well, that's what that's what I like about that's what I like about duwalt like my dad always taught him is like get craftsman hammers because if you break the if you break the the handle on it. They replace it for free. Lifetime warranties on those things and then de walt I looked at the guarantees I shopped around I had a couple who were like oh you should get Riob I'm like have but the guarantee is not nearly as good as de waltz.

01:36:44.64

Max Shank

And it depends on the person like if you go all riobi. You'll probably be fine. Um, if you want to go like see something really cool. There's actually a Youtube channel called project farm and he does these tests of tools and they're incredible.

01:36:39.14

mikebledsoe

Project Farm okay

01:37:22.36

Max Shank

He is really a project farm new video every Sunday guys the man he basically goes through a whole battery of tests. So. It's like a 10 to 20 minute long video. It looks like they take him ah like twenty forty hours to make per video. It's so. Brutal because he'll you know test different tools in like None different ways and really objective so he shows you what kind of wear and tear they can handle can they be left out in the rain for a week. What kind of rust if it really good so getting the right tool is a big point for this ah some some cheap ass tools are just as good if not better than the expensive ones so you don't always get what you pay for ah, the other thing I would say is even.

01:37:52.48

mikebledsoe

Down.

01:38:03.82

mikebledsoe

Um. Yeah.

01:39:12.46

Max Shank

Gosh Even if you don't think you're very craft mine minded or craft. Ah crafty I was trying to not say crafty I was like ah you know? ah.

01:38:49.96

mikebledsoe

Crafty. I I knew you wanted to say it I had to give you permission.

01:39:49.48

Max Shank

A little bit of that ah feels really nice. Um, and maybe it's just maybe it's just because I don't do it very often. But every time I go into the workshop and start building things. You just get into this flow and you know the creative force is.

01:39:11.78

mikebledsoe

Really good.

01:40:27.38

Max Shank

Is such a ah powerful Energy. So the connection with ah the work that you do and the attention that you put into something and the result is is really neat. It doesn't have to be Woodworking. You could build stuff out of clay you could. Ah, make stuff out of legos I mean they're all different ways you do macrame That's pretty fun.

01:40:27.34

mikebledsoe

Well, there's there's something primal about I think building something that has utility and that anytime I build something that that like woodworking man it just turns my my girlfriend on so much and that like and it's.

01:41:40.20

Max Shank

Then you take her to the woodshed.

01:41:04.64

mikebledsoe

That's right, but it's um, it The fact that ignites something in her. It's like and then that that then feeds back into me I'm like I'm like oh I did something fucking. You know, impressive and because I mean everything that we do is men is really for women you know women are. And are definitely in charge of this whole thing. Yeah.

01:42:29.32

Max Shank

It's all for sex the more I think about it the more I like what? why are we? Why are we trying to get food so we can have sex later. Why are we trying to run away from the tiger. So we can have sex later. That's it why? Why are we building this.

01:42:09.58

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah, was it supposed to Pat.

01:43:02.64

Max Shank

This big nest to attract a female so we can have sex. It's it's ah it's all about sex across the board. All the fighting is for sex. It's is crazy. Ah, but that's the how else could it be That's light and dark connecting.

01:42:27.52

mikebledsoe

Um, sex and it's crazy. Yeah.

01:42:52.42

mikebledsoe

What's ah, that's how we got here as ah, that's all a human human race continues on.

01:43:35.24

Max Shank

That's the vibration of everything. Evolution evolution is God's savage boredom playing out. Basically it's it's this this divine creation. Not divine necessarily but the force of creation who knows the Tao Darkness some some sort of thing. There. It's ah it's just it's just dancing on and offs at different levels and it's somehow perfectly Fair. You know what? I mean like the the forces are perfectly fair when you think about how different creatures have organized themselves some are spiky.

01:43:54.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:45:02.26

Max Shank

Some are armored some are venomous. It's all just about ah energy management right? Some are really fast. Some are really so like a tortoise versus ah I don't know like a Hummingbird tortoise lives way longer.

01:44:31.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:44:56.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah now. Yeah.

01:45:40.64

Max Shank

Relatively speaking is a very interesting thing but so it all comes back to energy management and tools are a way to gain leverage and focus that energy we can actually focus it in like ah like a pickaxe. Something like that. So we can focus energy down to a finer point or we can focus it on to ah a much larger area like a mallet or something like that and using the right tool for the job is is pretty big.

01:46:01.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah I would find the same thing in the kitchen I witnessed people trying to cook something. They don't have the right type of pan. They don't have the right knives The knives aren't sharp the you know they don't have the right spatula like like people.

01:47:16.10

Max Shank

It's a hodgepodge.

01:46:37.52

mikebledsoe

People who don't like to cook usually don't have a great kitchen and if you put somebody if yeah if I put somebody who doesn't like to cook in my house for a month and we started cooking together I bet you they start liking to cook because they go.

01:47:31.60

Max Shank

Chicken or the egg right? ah.

01:47:14.00

mikebledsoe

Oh it's actually really easy. Yeah, you just do this and then you do this and then it's very low effort. Yeah, you can get exactly what you want and yeah have some music playing. Yeah.

01:48:00.48

Max Shank

Can always get exactly what you want easy to modify have a bunch of different sauces handy when when I cook. That's how I like to do it I like to give a few options make it really modular like I get the. Couple meats get a couple breads get a couple sauces mix and match Boom Boom Boom We're off track. Let's bring it. Let's bring it home. Okay, so the topic again was tools and skills. We talked about role models which is kind of a cool. Um.

01:48:00.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah I think we nail the topics fairly. Well yeah I was bring a home tools and skills.

01:49:15.26

Max Shank

Way to bring it all together. Um not necessarily lumping the the practitioner with the skill that you're trying to learn right? That's that's a big that's a big one.

01:48:57.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, like like ah, choosing who you learn from wisely. You know, understanding what they're an expert at what they're not an expert at. Um, sticking with just the things that an expert at and then also judging how much of an expert they are at that thing based on their track record and if you can find somebody has a track record that's decades old you're doing pretty fucking Good. So But yeah in regard that.

01:50:31.94

Max Shank

Yeah, it's good to be objective. Yeah, ah basically you're talking about who who to choosing who to trust which ah, that's a big one for any relationship right.

01:49:56.40

mikebledsoe

How to choose a ah wise elder.

01:50:07.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah. Yeah, so mentor Mentee so we're gonna pick up a lot. You know you could either fumble through and try to figure things out for yourself which you will do a lot of that. That's that's gonna be ever present in your life. You should always be you know. How much time did I in the last year did I spend in Quickbooks just fumbling around and doing things and then seeing the report and going and then realizing oh I should categorize this like this and because I want my report to look like this and it took a lot of fumbling around. While also having a mentor for the whole thing so it was a mix of the two is a mix of getting some instruction from someone who's got decades of experience that has proof in the pudding and then also fumbling around a lot myself and then realizing that this is one of the things that's like really great about being older.

01:52:32.98

Max Shank

The fumbling is fun.

01:52:45.86

Max Shank

Oh shit, he's older now appeal to authority old man I'm old listen to me I'm old. That's what you sound like Mike Trust trust me I'm old trust me I'm old.

01:52:05.44

mikebledsoe

Is I now I now have a history of I have enough History. Ah. Ah, it's true though you should listen listen up listen up. Well you know there there are some people who are 40 that haven't really paid attention maybe shouldn't listen to them I think I've paid attention to about half of my life. So I'm doing okay, but. I Think that with age comes the perspective and that I now understand how long it takes to learn something to be actually skilled at it for me exactly and so and so like it used to I used to believe that I should be able.

01:54:00.38

Max Shank

For you? Yeah, totally.

01:53:38.40

mikebledsoe

This happens with athletes all the time they get in the gym I want to squat £500 like you do squat £300 right now. It's gonna take you maybe years to get to 500 and they're like no I'll get there faster like £5 a week times so many weeks and and maybe but but um, but what i.

01:54:45.16

Max Shank

Maybe yeah.

01:54:16.34

mikebledsoe

What I look at is I mean I miscalculate my progress constantly and in the wait room.

01:55:06.22

Max Shank

I Always calculate my progress perfectly. What do you think of that this is all working exactly as I planned talking to you.

01:54:32.88

mikebledsoe

Ah, so. So the so but I realize how how long it takes me to learn something and so I give myself so much more grace and which is interesting is because when I give myself grace and I give myself. A lot of time to learn something and even when I went through this financial course they were like you should be able to get through this in this amount of time and I I So came back to them within a couple weeks after looking at the content I go. It's gonna take me about twice as long and part of it is I Really like to get into the content I don't want to just pass over it.

01:56:34.74

Max Shank

People are different too I know exactly what you're talking about I am the same way and the the reaction the ego reaction when I try to learn something new. A lot of the time especially in the workshop is holy fuck I'm retarded I am so so.

01:55:56.28

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

01:57:11.62

Max Shank

I am so stupid I can't build a box. How am I going to build this fucking box and I'm drawing stuff on a piece of paper and I'm like I can't make 3 dimensions on a None dimensional paper I don't know how to fucking draw this thing and then so I'm here I'm like in my garage sweating suffering thinking. Um, how fucking stupid am I that I can't make a square I can't do it I can draw a square but the idea of manufacture. So what I ended up doing is I took a bunch of tiny planks and I learned about the relationship of pieces of wood. By thickness width and length and I made these boards that have a one ah for thickness to None to width and None to length and I learned how they fit together not thinking of the dimensions as um. Metrics that we normally use like ah imperial or metric I thought of them as ratios and figured out how to put stuff and it wasn't until I held these boards in my hands and actually glued some of them together these tiny little ah ratio.

01:58:33.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah.

01:58:50.74

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

01:59:49.24

Max Shank

Ah, tester board like I I want to like give the other retarded kids who might feel like me some of these boards because it wasn't until I made these that I was like oh that's how you can factor in the thickness to join stuff together. But I so resonate with you because I also like to go deep into a topic. And if I just kind of ah glance through it I just feel stupid I feel so far behind it's it's it's Crazy. It's crazy how how like dumb I feel but then this is where it's cool because what you said is awesome. That is what allows you to have.

01:59:59.70

mikebledsoe

Ah, accurate. Well.

02:01:04.90

Max Shank

Compassion for others is when you're fumbling around and you're like God if I'm like this like maybe it's It's differently hard for other people to to do other stuff because you know words are tools also and most people um, not only talk shit but they talk like shit.

02:00:44.34

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

02:01:41.88

Max Shank

Can't express themselves very well at all and should you like blame them and shame them or should you recognize that they've just had this working pattern for a really long time and it really changes the perspective.

02:01:19.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

02:02:19.68

Max Shank

That was a good one.

02:01:38.88

mikebledsoe

That was a good one. Yeah, so so you're gonna fumble around listen to listen to people who have good track records and yeah, really I think one of the key points you brought home was pay attention.

02:02:30.16

Max Shank

Ladies and gentlemen.

02:02:14.22

mikebledsoe

Energy ins and outs and everything in between so people normally see how that you know they know how to put gas in the gas tank and they know to push the pedal and steer the car and that's usually where the knowledge ends and if you want to have a ah. Ah, deeper understanding of it I think that's a good way to approach it when it comes to money when it comes to cars when it comes to the plumbing in your house. Um, yeah, yeah I had somebody. You know, screw some up with the plumbing in my house I'm like how did you get? How did you do that? It's like you know you shoot and put that.

02:04:06.00

Max Shank

There.

02:03:30.34

mikebledsoe

There and they're like why I go oh because they'll get stuck down the pipe to today then they're like oh I didn't think about that I was like oh I realized they didn't think about the entire system of plumbing. They've existed on the planet for 30 years and never thought about it. But now they will um but ah yeah I think I think we. That's a good Let's get a little cap on this.

02:04:52.44

Max Shank

Yeah I I love it man um you want to step one understand the flow of energy and the path and the components involved and step 2 is you want to learn how to manage.

02:04:42.28

mikebledsoe

Um, a is it is.

02:05:28.98

Max Shank

That energy flow cash flow conversation flow um managing the flow of energy using tools in the physical world like on a piece of wood or managing the flow of energy using the tools called words to direct the flow of attention which is perhaps the most. Ah, powerful energy because it is full on quantum as it relates to our human conspiracy called language and um, you know use the right tool for the job you can significantly amplify the output energy versus the input energy using. Leverage and that that's that's it folks that was awesome I had so much fun talking about that today I had so much fun building shit I I built this box. It was indestructible for my buddy oners I called a strong man pinata I made him climb up a tree.

02:06:08.14

mikebledsoe

Beautifully said beautifully said. Yeah yeah.

02:06:30.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:26.76

Max Shank

To grab a sledgehammer and then I locked this box that I built and this box was like bombproof. It was like one inch thick plywood on all sides with 2 by 4 s reinforcing the inside. It was so fucking na he hit it like a none times and that. It would not break so I had to ah take it off the chains and put it on the ground then he could finally hit it against something but it was it was so much fun. Another box.

02:07:39.42

mikebledsoe

What was inside.

02:07:52.78

mikebledsoe

Um, very clever.

02:08:37.72

Max Shank

Ah, and then ah and then a little piece of paper with a clue. There was nothing for him except go to the next step in the but it was awesome. Ah, anyway it was. It was so good. Um.

02:08:09.48

mikebledsoe

Ah, oh so it's just a piece of the scavenger hunt. Okay, got it.

02:09:16.70

Max Shank

Anyway, Mike thanks for the the chat that was awesome I loved the way that we managed our energy today. Thanks everybody for listening catch y'all next week Mike where can they find you.

02:08:36.86

mikebledsoe

Absolutely absolutely yeah and find me on Instagram Mike Underscore Bloodso and just keep tuning in to the blood. So show now. Um None thing. Oh. And I also have a summit coming up if you go to http://thestrongcoach.com or shop dot thes strongcoach dot com you can check that out. Got a lot of cool speakers coming in to talk at that. It's a pay what you want. And lastly, if you're interested in how to. Manage your cash flow better just shoot me a dm I've got a little course I can share with you.

02:10:37.20

Max Shank

Cool man later folks.

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00:00.00

mikebledsoe

Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're gonna be talking about order and chaos. You know I think that there's a place for both and society as a whole likes to swing really really hard and me as an individual I do the same thing max. Thanks for joining for another Monday as we discuss topics that seem highly abstract and somehow try to get it to become practical for the listeners.

00:28.90

Max Shank

Yeah I think order and chaos could be the name of our show because it's really quite a chaotic ride I think it's an excellent train of thought that gets frequently derailed. But that's part of what makes it fun and interesting and not only do I think order and chaos are ah definitive of each other they define each other i. I think what you said is perfect. We we swing back and forth really hard from more order to more chaos and we try to get tighter control and then more freedom and ah you know more openness or more boundary setting and that back and forth ah can be. Can be really exciting and in societies actually None of the things that's really important about playing and especially wrestling roughhousing that sort of thing is understanding the line between fighting and play fighting and ah. Being able to introduce chaos in a safe environment because the whole purpose of society is to create order reduce chaos as much as possible so you need something to dose you. With chaos. So you don't become um a a sissy and sad.

04:01.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, that and it yeah said I mean the like for me creativity happens after things get shaken up I think about um, no structure is the structure forever. Um, we the human spirit desires for change because we also live in an environment. Ah, ah, ever present change and um, you know we got to if we want to have some stability. We do need to set up structures in society. We need to set up structures in our own life. But we also need to recognize when it's time to assess and reassess these things and I think creating those safe spaces like you're saying where we can't introduce chaos in small amounts or over a short period of time in ah and a confined space. Ah. Really allows us to not have to go through really big societal bits of chaos which I think we're experiencing right now. There's when I think about rites of passage for young men that has been. Ah, regularly conducted over Millennia and it hasn't really happened in american society in the last few generations and so nature comes along and says hey um. Noticed that you guys haven't introduced any of this planned chaos. Ah you know a rite of passage for a man usually involves being out of control and and being needing to submit to the universe and. And usually facing death in some way or the acknowledgement of death and it can feel It's a big pattern interrupt and pattern interrupts tend to be a little chaotic in nature and when a society or an individual. Has been comfortable for too long in their order then nature is going to come along and shake it up because everything's always changing and we may be fighting to keep it the same but at some point the environment's going to break the the individual or the culture.

08:24.35

Max Shank

Yes, and you also sacrifice some of the excitement of life if you imagine someone who was born in a castle isolated from most of the world. There's going to be None of order. None exposure to chaos and they may live their whole life in that environment and then have a child of their own that lives in that environment but eventually ah just like the seasons change and ah different. Creatures Rise up and overcome in different parts of the ecosystem. Ah the people in power never stay up there for long and the more you try to create order the more fragile that individual becomes because they're not dosed. With that chaos and that stimulus because our bodies and minds are always adapting via the said principle. So We're always adjusting to what's going on. So if you have no exposure to Chaos. You will be much more fragile. Ah.

10:54.40

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

10:50.13

Max Shank

By by definition.

11:18.74

mikebledsoe

Yeah I'm listening to a book by Ray Dalio right now I think it's called the rise of the rise of nation rise and fall of nations or something like that and he he he's talking about the 5 cycles through a society and.

11:10.69

Max Shank

M.

11:24.51

Max Shank

Ah.

11:58.14

mikebledsoe

You know if you've read the fourth turning they they identify None cycles. He identifies 5 and these cycles last about 100 years or the the cycles last about 2025 years and there's 4 or 5 of them depending on which expert you ask? and basically what happens is it. Ah, you the society falls into ah each generation becomes more and more chaotic until it's unbearable and that everyone who's like and it usually ends in civil war and external war and then everybody says. Fuck it. We need. We need more order. You know the the economics are broken where everyone's fighting with each other It's it's highly disordered and then what you end up with is a whole yeah a whole generation comes comes along and is like starving for it. So they.

13:04.10

Max Shank

The big prick comes in.

13:19.11

Max Shank

Yeah, one and it's ah.

13:52.30

mikebledsoe

They're wanting I mean that that's basically how Hitler got the power right? Germany was experiencing an incredible amount of chaos and this guy says you know what? if you just do what I say then things will be better and and they were for a while. There's there's there's videos of like.

13:33.19

Max Shank

Exactly.

13:52.97

Max Shank

And it's frightening.

14:31.72

mikebledsoe

The the population gathering and arenas and exercising together. They were like very lockstep and everything was really good for a short period of time until the 1 person who was in charge decided to fucking go nuts and one of the thing.

14:34.17

Max Shank

Right? Where there's there's like a line where people are like you know we're really glad that this ah this dick really like got things under control. You know it was a little too chaotic I felt afraid there was pillaging and rioting and then that dictator. Crosses the line and everyone's like whoa, not like that and then and then it goes back to you know, just that did that to that to da today.

15:47.14

mikebledsoe

Um, well the the danger is is when you're when you're in ah and a highly ordered society like that the the amount of thinking by the individual is reduced because they don't have to make as many choices and so. They're less likely.. There's that slippery slope they're less likely to catch poor judgment from the top because it's been so good and just one value judgment at a time and next thing you know you're just killing a bunch of people.

16:15.69

Max Shank

Yo absolutely and you you can understand why that would attract people I remember watching this series. Excellent series. The dictator's playbook. The episode on Mussolini he's you know, given a speech from some balcony and he goes None italy None decision and everyone goes. Yeah, they are.

17:51.80

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

17:24.61

Max Shank

Onboard They want a so bad like None maybe hundreds. It's so many people and they were so excited that he's like look I will call the shots. You guys don't want to trouble yourselves with these minor details I will take care of everything and. If you've had a good lady or significant other in your life having someone make decisions for you effectively in ah is amazing like there are certain things like some. You have this comparative advantage where someone else now is responsible for stocking the kitchen stocking the bathrooms getting this taken care of like you know you have that division of management basically and it feels amazing. Like if you get the right person to make your decisions you are on Easy Street. It's just ah, absolute power right.

19:55.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think I think the the happy medium with that because I agree is is you know when you have for instance in the United States you have if you had None person if we had a dictatorship you have None person making the. Decision for 350000000 people. It's not possible for the human mind to be able to grasp the actual impact of the decision on on the individuals and this makes me think about Dunbar's number you know was a.

20:42.37

Max Shank

Oh.

21:10.94

mikebledsoe

Around None is about as many people as 1 person can keep up with in relationship after that you know people all kind of start looking the same. You don't make as much eye contact. You're not going to remember their names. You're you're not in community and this is why a lot of churches.

21:07.45

Max Shank

Oh.

21:49.94

mikebledsoe

What they do is they break up after they get to about 150 members and then another church will open up. Ah yeah, and so these like that most churches do that. But in some churches become megachurches and have 10000 members or something like that.

21:37.77

Max Shank

It's like setting up little franchises with limits.

21:56.53

Max Shank

Yeah.

22:28.92

mikebledsoe

And that requires a higher level of leadership and hierarchy hierarchy has to be built into the system in order for that to happen. So when there's and the same thing for Crossfit Gyms all these crossfit gyms sprung up a decade ago and we all watched it happen. It.

22:10.19

Max Shank

Right.

23:05.62

mikebledsoe

It was a very community driven thing and when it got about 150 members 1 member goes I could do this better. They go open another gym and then they pull some of the gym members away and it's it's just like church and.

22:53.27

Max Shank

Ah, crossfits are like church well said I agree there are a lot of similarities there I'm on board.

23:41.28

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, there's a lot of similarities. Yeah, but I think it's a really great demonstration of Dumbbar's number and that the person the person that I'm gonna trust to help.

23:29.31

Max Shank

O.

24:13.36

mikebledsoe

So make decisions for me right? There's somebody on my team and my company my girlfriend my close group of friends. You know, somebody's organizing a ah ah week long vacation I don't even ask me any questions. They just tell me how much money to throw in the pot and then I show up I'm okay with that. But when we start dealing with people I've never met before and have never met me and now they're making decisions on my behalf I think that becomes problematic.

24:31.63

Max Shank

Well, yeah I mean that's that's trust right there I mean who who you choose to trust is a really important choice choosing the right doctor instead of the wrong doctor. Choosing the right trainer instead of the wrong trainer right? Coach instead of the wrong coach and it's not that there it was an absolute good and an absolute bad.. It's just whether or not the resultant partnership or collaboration is gonna be constructive or not because. Some people respond really well to ah stick-based motivation and competitiveness and some people respond way better to carrot-based motivation and creativity and Non-competitiveness. So just finding the right? um. Partnership there like who do you trust with that area of your life is massive.

26:59.62

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and going into trust I think one of the reasons we're we're in a massive amount of chaos in our society right now is because there is a lack of trust you know nobody like like the trust of the media is an all time low.

26:43.99

Max Shank

Um, well yeah.

27:37.62

mikebledsoe

Politicians is an all time low you you ask the average american and they'll just be like yeah the the news and the the politicians are all full of shit. You know there's probably twenty thirty percent think it's still good. But.

27:25.71

Max Shank

Which I think is which I think is good I think ah like a skeptical society will actually come up with better solutions but trust saves Calories. Ah the whole Concept. Of a group is built on trust the the whole the whole thing is trust based ah fiat currency all these different things you're trusting that the person in charge is going to do. What's best for You. You're trusting that. Um. You know if you help out with the hunt that you're going to get some of the bounty from that hunt and that we're all going to be part of this unit. We're going to look out for each other.. It's like you scratch my back I'll scratch yours and having those relationships. Is the most powerful thing there is like I think of one of the best survival tools as a radical Rolodex So Just having the right array of people that you can call experts in different fields. But more importantly people that you trust to give you. Real solid Answer. So our whole response to bringing order into chaos bringing order out of chaos is based on faith or Trust. Ah, even if you take it from a religious standpoint. You are putting your faith or trust in a supreme being that we cannot see so it's all it's all trust you could say that? yeah.

31:12.48

mikebledsoe

Know or or you could say that that supreme being is everything and everywhere and you see it all the time. But yeah, that's what I say. Ah.

31:13.51

Max Shank

I'm pretty sure God is a butterfly. It's the butterfly God Yeah, the other all the other ones are not true I mean I'm pretty religious but it's definitely the butterfly god.

31:45.94

mikebledsoe

The Butterfly god.

32:04.78

mikebledsoe

There you go. So I I think I think back to like personal experiences with order and chaos and I watch I look at my own life and I watch my own self I'm one of those people that the pendulum swings pretty hard. I Think for some people the pendulum kind of hangs out in the middle for me. It's I go really deep into chaos and then really deep into order and ah, there's not a lot of time spent in the middle. But for me I think that helps with ah.

32:39.39

Max Shank

Go.

33:23.50

mikebledsoe

More progress is it's definitely not the less least painful way of going about it. But I find it's not for everybody but when I'm but everyone does experience that everyone goes to these cycles of order and chaos and the when I go into.

33:06.10

Max Shank

It's not for everybody.

33:59.68

mikebledsoe

Times of order what I see is a destruction of the structures. Ah that I had set up in my life previously. Whatever rituals or routines that I had previously were swept away So a really good example of this is I went I sold all my things.

33:32.25

Max Shank

Length.

34:39.80

mikebledsoe

Got down to two bags and went nomadic for a few years I really didn't have much of anything I left my books with some friends. Yeah yeah, dude I I did some crazy shit Um, during that time it was it.

34:20.60

Max Shank

Speaking of a rite of passage right? feels like a rite of passage.

35:15.32

mikebledsoe

I destroyed everything like I I left the business I had spent years building I ended up getting divorced I was traveling didn't have a home the level of novelty that was always present was so high that getting making progress on any None thing was. Was close to impossible including taking care of my own health and but it was a really necessary time for me to reestablish a new structure so I needed to I desired a.

35:29.75

Max Shank

A.

36:26.78

mikebledsoe

New structure so much that I had to I had to really flatten the building I had to rebuild some people are just renovating their house all the time I needed to it was a teardown say my life is a Teardown. Let's just go back down to the slab. Let's go down to the slab and then rethink the floor plan.

36:11.45

Max Shank

Ah.

37:05.66

mikebledsoe

And everything so the I think I think the reason yeah I think the reason people don't do that is because well when you've been living under 1 structure your whole life going back to the and rebuilding new floor plan. You have no idea what to do so there's there's the lack of.

36:39.21

Max Shank

Takes a lot more time to do that. Also.

37:43.52

mikebledsoe

Knowledge that can be scary for people to do that demolition plan and then the the knowing that man I I spent say None building this one house and now I'm just going to completely demolish it and start over I know that what I build next is going to be so much better. But.

37:35.91

Max Shank

Her.

38:23.36

mikebledsoe

That's a lot of work.

37:56.33

Max Shank

And absolutely and it's even ah, depending on. Ah how you're wired. It's more like choosing which limb to cut off because it's a part of you is like you're.

38:54.38

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

38:30.73

Max Shank

Your identity is wrapped up into whatever it is you have going on this marriage this business this habit this thing over here to like strip those away and start coming to the I I think. Crazy shocking realization that most of your like baggage and Bullshit was just thoughtlessly inherited just thoughtlessly and you you weren't like trying to inherit it. It was just Monkey See Monkey Do Bing Bam boom.

39:58.54

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

39:48.63

Max Shank

And you're like now I'm this and you get wrapped up into like I'm this and this is good cause I'm good and that's what I'm trying to say all the time. So why would you want to let that go in exchange for something that is unknown right? because that's what really scares people is like I'll take this from.

40:44.56

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and.

40:26.73

Max Shank

Familiar pain to the unknown that is like I don't know if it's a devil's bargain or a fool's bargain but it doesn't sound like a good deal and yet that's what most of us make is we'll take the familiar pain I'll take familiar pain again. Thank you compared to the unknown.

41:28.26

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, there's um I think in the landmark education they call it the winning strategy. So it's it's a strategy that you learn at a young age where you go Oh if I behave like this.

41:03.49

Max Shank

Ah, no yeah.

41:17.77

Max Shank

Oh.

41:29.70

Max Shank

Um, ah yeah.

42:04.72

mikebledsoe

Then this happens or I get to avoid this by being like this I get to you know my dad got mad at me 1 time for doing this. You know I'll never do anything that resembles that ever again and now you become now that that becomes part of who you are and forms the personality and it becomes a winning strategy and.

41:39.89

Max Shank

Totally.

42:15.71

Max Shank

Oh man.

42:44.80

mikebledsoe

And you end up and you get the reward at a young age and then you start collecting evidence for that being a winning strategy. Yeah, you're like oh and you're unable to see where it's not working because it's the only thing that's present. So this is what creates the blind spots.

42:27.79

Max Shank

Um, it's like heroin. Oh my god.

42:45.71

Max Shank

Man.

43:23.54

mikebledsoe

And the the winning strategy is something that is very difficult to let go because it is usually very responsible for a lot of success in your life like somebody may their winning strategy may be shit talking themselves and that's and they overcome it like the beside Navy Seal's name.

43:21.95

Max Shank

Yeah.

44:01.38

mikebledsoe

Who are ah David Goggins yeah I mean he's he's highly accomplished but he seems miserable as fuck and so he he seems like it is like like he's a perfect example. David Goggins is a perfect example of somebody who.

43:36.69

Max Shank

Goggins. Yeah.

44:41.32

mikebledsoe

Has a winning strategy. It's getting him some type of reward. But it's costing him so much in his life that he's completely unaware of and doesn't he doesn't value it because he hasn't touched it yet and yet I've met I mean I went through this myself I went from becoming successful.

44:37.30

Max Shank

When.

45:16.80

mikebledsoe

Shit talking myself and what I was trying to avoid versus you know, ah talking to myself like I was a how would I talk to a None ar old. Well, that's probably how I should talk to myself and so anyways going back to the the people are afraid to give up that. Winning strategy because they're afraid that if they let go of that piece that that piece of their identity. They're not going to be good at something anymore and being good at something is what's earned them. Love.

45:46.51

Max Shank

Oh my God It's like a tool. It's It's like you're setting down your sword before you waltz into the Dragons Den It's like when I was a kid I learned about lying now. Okay, lying is a strategy.

46:30.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

46:24.11

Max Shank

That has almost no limits to it in terms of what you can get for Yourself. You can get out of trouble instantly so I was lying all the time growing up as soon as I was able to get away with it I mean what's a better rush than that and there are all kinds of behaviors like that. That they work so you just keep doing them.

47:34.92

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah, they work and then until they don't right? and this is this is where you know, um when we did when in psychology when when we look at like stages of development and.

47:19.29

Max Shank

Until they don't.

48:13.72

mikebledsoe

What ends up happening is the the things that that move you into one stage of development will end up being the things that hold you back from the next and in fact, when if you look at say the the model of spiral dynamics for psychology and and human development is you're actually moving from. Um.

47:59.71

Max Shank

A.

48:52.36

mikebledsoe

More of an eye oriented to a we oriented but there's also a bit of chaos and order on either side of that as well. So it's more of a spiral so you got we and I so some stages are more we oriented some stages more eye oriented but then it's it's not ah, it's not a straight line back and forth. It's ah it's a spiral.

48:40.75

Max Shank

Ah.

49:29.10

mikebledsoe

And in between the eye and the we is is chaos and when you're making the transition and then you've got to bring the order back and so for people to want that chaos in their life. They usually have to be really unhappy with the way something's going on in their life. People when I think about this I think about ah people that have dysfunctional patterns of behavior and a lot of people I think think about oh I have anxiety or I have like some type of system a symptom that might show up in the Dsm um, Dsm whatever it is the. Psychology playbook of symptoms and diagnoses and they they think oh I've got this I'm suffering from this thing and that's the dysfunction. But it's not the best way to find dys function in your life is to just to see what's not working. What what do you desire to be different in your life but you can't seem to get there that to me that demonstrates that there's some type of dysfunction and usually people believe that there's nothing they can do about it. But once they get a hint. And they're just fucking sick and tired of this thing being true in their life. You're like you know I'm gonna do something about it fuck it and then they start digging deep and there's a lot of work to be done there but that that itself becomes chaotic because as you start making changes in your life. You basically have to start behaving differently for everyone else in your life. And they do not like that because they expect you to behave a certain way and that that creates relational chaos.

52:14.97

Max Shank

I Think of it in a very basic way which is you have momentum being a certain way and the easiest thing to do is just continue with that Momentum. That's the most effortless thing you can do. So your pain or discomfort needs to be proportional to the adjustment of your trajectory like you need to be dissatisfied or uncomfortable enough to overcome the momentum of living a certain way. And it's not until that happens that a person takes action. Otherwise why would they? it's pure law of least Action. We're going to do the minimum we can unless ah otherwise authorized from a higher order kind of function. And even that is going to be based on a ah big picture discomfort um with just letting things flow as they may. It's like ah I'm uncomfortable not doing this thing. It's it's too painful to not. Go to Mars anymore. It's too painful to not get a divorce anymore. It's too painful to not start a business anymore. Whatever it is. There's like it's different for everybody different pain threshold for different pain catalyst.

55:40.30

mikebledsoe

Everyone's got different rock bottom. Yeah, and that makes me think about our concept I I know I didn't create it. But um, the the feather I don't know where it came from the feather the break the Mac truck and if have I told you about this yet.

55:46.10

Max Shank

The feather the brick and the Mac truck. No no I told you this but why don't you go ahead and share it with everybody.

56:28.20

mikebledsoe

Are you.

56:34.76

mikebledsoe

Pretty out did I hear I didn't hear from you did you or did you are you the originator.

56:15.21

Max Shank

Go ahead. Just let let them know what it is. It's fine. Go ahead.

56:55.98

mikebledsoe

Um, so yeah, the the the feather the Breakke the mack truck. You always get the message very lightly in the beginning and most people ignore it then it comes a little harder and then it's a fucking mack truck and it runs you over.

56:51.95

Max Shank

Here. A e.

57:31.96

mikebledsoe

And think that the skill is learning to listen for feathers and so it's a it's a it's a it's about being more sensitive. Yeah.

57:23.75

Max Shank

Right? But you don't want to get startled every time you feel the wind either right? when there's nothing there. Yeah, you didn't get that for me for me. It's always been the wind the feather the brick and the Mac truck.

58:04.28

mikebledsoe

No, you gotta be you gotta be listening to the right thing.

58:23.54

mikebledsoe

The wind the feather oh shit oh shit, did you get it from somebody. Are you reading the same person or did you are you really an originator. Do you even know.

58:12.97

Max Shank

Now I just I just made the whole thing up I never heard of it until just now. But I thought it would be fun to ah, just throw that Monkey Wrench in there because because see for me. Ah I think.

59:01.42

mikebledsoe

Ah, the wind the fact. Okay, we'll throw in the wind now now we've got 4 levels.

58:52.97

Max Shank

It's it's like ah a hypochondriac. The hypochondriac is thinking. Everything is some health disaster and really they were just constipated or something like that and I think the line between Prudence and paranoia is a truly fascinating one.

59:33.18

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um.

59:31.55

Max Shank

Because everybody has a different idea of what is reasonable preparedness and responsibility like the ability to respond or not so it's It's really the same thing like what's the line between prudence and having like a very deep awareness.

01:00:11.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:00:09.93

Max Shank

Of what's going on around you and responding to the slightest stimulus so being a little I don't know hypersensitive versus like hyposensitive. It's ah it's an interesting thing.

01:01:04.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:00:41.87

Max Shank

So so like to kind of bring us back to that concept of the feather the brick and the Mac truck that what you're saying is change is or or like life. Let's say is giving you signals.

01:01:43.28

mikebledsoe

M.

01:01:19.51

Max Shank

And if you pay attention to the signal when it's really light. It's not going to cause you much harm. But if you if you wait the feather becomes a brick becomes a mac truck when it eventually just absolutely wrecks you.

01:01:57.20

mikebledsoe

Right.

01:02:13.12

mikebledsoe

Yeah, becomes more painful but also the amount of change that you're gonna have to make is probably more drastic so it's a double whammy you got extra pain and and additional work to do like I think about say somebody who is a.

01:01:56.33

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

01:02:52.68

mikebledsoe

A meth at it. You know if they're one weekend and they notice like oh I'm not getting good sleep I'm Jittery I you know I'm not paying attention at work or whatever and they and they go you know what? I've you know I'm gonna check myself into a clinic and I'm gonna kick this thing but then you got the person who's.

01:02:25.25

Max Shank

Ah.

01:02:38.41

Max Shank

For her.

01:03:31.22

mikebledsoe

10 years in you know they're missing their teeth like for them to be able to get their life back on track and get a job and all that is going to be monumentally more difficult.

01:03:25.91

Max Shank

Right? So going past the point of no return basically like how how hard it is. yeah yeah I mean David Goggins is a ah great example of ah.

01:04:07.88

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's a point you cross where you never getting back? Yeah yeah.

01:04:05.55

Max Shank

Someone who has just made such an impression on so many people I think you know he he just flipped total extremes right? Big fat guy boom now I'm a Navy seal running millions of miles. Oh my foot's broken.

01:04:55.40

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

01:04:45.43

Max Shank

Who Cares stay hard and I think that now that Persona has gotten him speaking of winning strategies. So now even if he did say you know what I think a more gentle form of exercise is really the right choice for most people because. You know, Actually you're going to harm yourself long term by just running through these injuries. Ah, he almost can't do that now because he has got this winning strategy as this character and I think he.

01:05:55.24

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah. Well, you know.

01:05:59.77

Max Shank

Wants to be that character for himself and for everybody else I think he's got to be thinking. Wow This is an amazing thing that I am doing here and I'm this guy for myself and for these other folks.

01:06:50.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think a lot of people are attracted to it because they yeah they're they're attracted to it and they want to do it. They want to be like it. But I think it's a it's.

01:06:37.95

Max Shank

Superhero shit. Of course it's attractive.

01:07:27.40

mikebledsoe

It's immature in a lot of ways you know there's there's somebody who I saw go through a transformation which was a gary banynerchuk and I don't know if he shifted I Never really heard him say hey I had a realization I'm changing the way that I'm speaking now.

01:07:14.71

Max Shank

He.

01:08:05.50

mikebledsoe

But I watched him shift over like a 5 year period of hustling rind. You know, get out of your mouth and maybe that his audience matured and he needed to shift his his message.

01:07:47.10

Max Shank

Ah.

01:08:00.99

Max Shank

He.

01:08:33.64

mikebledsoe

But it became more of like hey let's work smarter not harder like be kind to yourself all these things Gary Vaynerchuk I mean if you go back and watch videos from ten years ago and him trying to motivate a crowd. He's telling him to like you know, buck up, you know quit being a little bitch and now he's.

01:08:31.53

Max Shank

In.

01:09:09.56

mikebledsoe

He's found a little more kindness in in his approach. So I think there's a that's something that was working for him but he also was able to to mature beyond that hopefully David Goggins experiences the same thing I mean for his sake because I mean if you got to keep that persona on.

01:08:47.84

Max Shank

Right.

01:09:47.38

mikebledsoe

For the rest of your life. It's just hard to.

01:09:21.90

Max Shank

But maybe that feels like good for him. Maybe that's that's exactly what he's looking for he he won't be happy unless there's a ah, big physical challenge and you know who can imagine what it's like to live that guy's life.

01:10:22.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, who knows and there's a place for everybody right? like there's a reason that he's so prolific right now is because there are a lot of soft people that need to hear that message. They're probably sick and tired of being soft or like you know what I'm I'm fat too.

01:09:57.85

Max Shank

Is what I say. Ah.

01:10:21.19

Max Shank

Yes.

01:11:00.82

mikebledsoe

And I don't know what to do about this so you know what? like and I mean I am of the opinion that whatever, whatever the fuck gets you started go but my encouragement is it's never the whole thing get gets you started on being healthier.

01:10:33.47

Max Shank

Right.

01:10:55.17

Max Shank

Whatever gets you started on anything. Ah.

01:11:40.46

mikebledsoe

But you know it got fat shamed Now you're losing weight. Okay, but here's the thing is take it further yeah like take it get up take it further. You know I think people a lot of times. It's It's like.

01:11:22.69

Max Shank

You got fat shamed you got fat shamed.

01:12:15.30

mikebledsoe

The reason you're fat is not because it's not necessarily because you're not exercising enough or you didn't You're not I mean these are the the behaviors you're not exercising enough and you're and you're eating like shit but like there's an entire lifestyle that goes behind this that that needs to shift that doesn't need to be. Maniacal about food and exercise.

01:12:35.29

Max Shank

It's literally just using food as pleasure more than your activity will allow and the reason we do things like that is because we feel like there's something missing and we want to change our state salty sweet fatty cheesy bits. Will will pretty much resolve that immediately. It's not super long lasting but you know Obesity is just a drug addiction that has a really easy to see physical manifestation to it.

01:14:15.22

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:47.35

Max Shank

Right. Ah, it's It's like a lot of people are addicted to their phones but it doesn't make you £40 heavier. Oh you're you're addicted to your phone but this other person is addicted to ah like hostess cupcakes. That's we're not getting sponsored by them but just because.

01:14:55.26

mikebledsoe

Not yet max not yet.

01:14:30.53

Max Shank

Just because they're addicted to just God I Hope so sponsored by Twinkie. Ah, but yeah, if someone's addicted to hostess cupcakes instead of the telephone they get fat but it's you're still just. Pulling a pleasure lever to distract from being here and now basically right.

01:15:46.26

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah I Um, definitely use food as a little bit of entertainment and but you know what I've I've figured out how to use my entertainment food. Like I can get really entertained by my food without it being just outlandishly terrible and that I think that's ah, that's a good like like. For instance I eat like ah, a keto ice cream that doesn't have It's like the cleanest one I could find mammoth It's mostly just fat. With a tiny bit of sweetener supposed to just cream and by the way I mean just eating frozen cream by itself is so good. Yeah, and then and then I put put strawberries on it I put strawberries on it and then I put.

01:16:35.10

Max Shank

Don't don't eat that bad sugar. Don't eat that bad sugar fat Only sugar is bad for you. Don't eat sugar Listen there's a killer out there. It's sugar.

01:17:28.34

mikebledsoe

Raw honey on it. Yeah yeah, and then that'll usually beat whatever fucking dessert that's sitting on the shelf somewhere or even at a restaurant like it's actually tastier.

01:17:00.87

Max Shank

Um, very fancy.

01:17:20.81

Max Shank

Well, you know that's great that you have found a strategy that that works for you. Um, for for your mouth pleasure. Although.

01:18:03.82

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah I know it's not your your morning cheesecake that you like to start your day with.

01:17:54.75

Max Shank

I Do like to start with a cheesecake and mocha in the morning if the opportunity arises I'm definitely going to take it. Absolutely.

01:18:46.22

mikebledsoe

Ah, well ordering Chaos I.

01:18:20.35

Max Shank

So with the with the food is it about the mouth pleasure like the the flavor the chewing the swallowing the whole thing I mean that's what helped me like get a handle on the the food addiction I mean it's all good right. Is it that I like the flavor while I'm chewing. Is it like some deeper primal thing where I I just feel good that I'm putting stuff in my belly like there's this primal desire. That's like yeah food goes in this tube this way and then that's a good thing.

01:19:52.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think I think for me it um like I'm a low appetite person. So yeah, yeah.

01:19:39.73

Max Shank

How nice someone the other day said to me he goes. Ah I've been trying he was at he was at our gym he goes I've been trying to eat more and the idea of someone who had to try to eat more.

01:20:31.44

mikebledsoe

You know? okay.

01:20:17.41

Max Shank

Was so foreign to me ah eating more is my absolute default. Ah the concept of eating less food than I need or even just the right amount that I need is insane like every time I'm eating food I Want more. I Want hometown Buffet I want all you can eat sushi I Want a gigantic porter house with mashed potatoes.

01:21:34.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think I think what may be different between you and I is I've been obsessing over the nutrient density of my food since I was about 14 So it's um.

01:21:28.17

Max Shank

A.

01:22:06.66

mikebledsoe

Like yeah I'm in this constant search for the highest quality of what I'm what I'm eating now Super dens. It's a superfood and so the yeah.

01:21:46.59

Max Shank

That's why I just eat bullying cubes.

01:22:03.33

Max Shank

I Think we should try to make that a thing super concentrated beef essence.

01:22:45.88

mikebledsoe

Well, it's kind of like kale kale was like being sold as ah like a garnish for these buffets at Wendy's or whatever for for almost nothing and then it was listed as a super food. It was marketed properly and then ah.

01:22:34.83

Max Shank

Ah.

01:23:20.12

mikebledsoe

The fucking price of it skyrocket. We can do the same thing for Bullyon Cubes I think is somehow you know hate. It's.

01:23:01.79

Max Shank

That would be such an exciting thing to get like all these high level athletes just snacking on bullion cubes. Everyone starts carrying around a little beef pouch salty. Yeah.

01:23:43.38

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think it's a good hydration. It's more like a hydration tool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but ah yeah I think for me like I've always all I'm like this this quality freak about food and be and like I don't want it.

01:23:46.70

Max Shank

Here.

01:24:21.96

mikebledsoe

I could eat like a footlong Subway Club sandwich like I could do that like don't get me wrong I could do it but but it just it just doesn't like um, there's something about it I Just don't I don't feel satisfied in the same way and so.

01:23:59.59

Max Shank

That sounds good I like a good submarine sandwich.

01:25:01.60

mikebledsoe

When I'm eating higher quality foods like it does seem like it's harder to eat. It's like I get satisfied more quickly So I don't eat as many calories and then I'm also burning through a lot of calories in the day and then if I'm training which I am right now. Are you just the.

01:25:00.83

Max Shank

Then.

01:25:40.30

mikebledsoe

The appetite just skyrocket. But I don't I won't put down just anything So then I end up eating Keto ice cream with honey and strawberries at night.

01:25:17.83

Max Shank

A.

01:25:28.93

Max Shank

Yeah I'll I'll eat healthy food I'll just eat 3 times the volume of what I should eat. It's weird I'll be at a restaurant or something and they'll be like. Do you want any dessert and I'll look at the dessert menu.

01:26:12.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think I just have a small stomach some you know.

01:26:06.89

Max Shank

And I'll be like no but I will get another entree instead when it's like roughly this I Really like savory foods so we'll be out. It'll be like sushi or something they'll be like oh you want dessert and I'm looking the desserts I'm go think I'll just have more rice and fish and avocado and that kind of thing.

01:26:59.64

mikebledsoe

A ah.

01:26:42.61

Max Shank

Um, food Huh How about that.

01:27:13.82

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so going back to ordering chaos where we started. Ah I I think that what we're gonna be witnessing moving forward is a lot of people seeking order. There was I was listening ah to.

01:26:55.61

Max Shank

Order up.

01:27:16.30

Max Shank

A.

01:27:52.76

mikebledsoe

Gad sad god sad how do you say his name on Rogan the other day and it was talking about how some of the professors are starting to report that the that the new students in the college in the universities are. Really wanting a more conservative approach to things like they seem to be tired with you know all the the crazy shit around you know like they're being 72 different genders and and all that kind of stuff and so the ah.

01:28:26.15

Max Shank

All that shit is just all that shit doesn't matter. It's just about whether or not the discourse is violent or not I think.

01:29:13.46

mikebledsoe

Well I think that's part of the problem is it's it. You know it's obviously been violent people certain people aren't allowed to talk at universities because they get shouted out and basically forced out So that's chaos. That's that's people's emotional state.

01:28:57.53

Max Shank

Right? wild.

01:29:51.40

mikebledsoe

Overtaking their behavior becoming illogical and then are unable to you know have intepit discourse. So I yeah I think I mean if we look at if we look at what Ray Dalio says if we look at the fourth turning. We look at these things that these people who talk about. These cycles that are going on in the world and I think we're pretty getting pretty close to maxing out on chaos I mean I think the only thing that's more chaotic for for for the american public for for the.

01:30:19.51

Max Shank

Um, what whoa woa I don't know I'm still listening though but I don't know.

01:31:05.40

mikebledsoe

For the American Public's taste for things you think they can take more chaos. We'll see. Um, yeah I could see it going a little bit further I mean but the the only thing that's left is is now and.

01:30:58.23

Max Shank

Um I think of anarchy as chaos like anarchy is chaos that I mean that would be soak I Oh my God I think things like I don't think things are being run well. But.

01:31:40.16

mikebledsoe

No anarchy is different. So ah.

01:32:01.30

mikebledsoe

Boy here.

01:31:36.77

Max Shank

My gosh I think a lot of stuff is still running so smoothly so predictably in such an ordered fashion I mean I hope it doesn't get more chaotic and unpredictable.

01:32:22.40

mikebledsoe

Well well anarchy anarchy just means without a ruler and so it no without a ruler and so it has to do with.

01:32:06.67

Max Shank

Right? Well without without rule isn't it or just without a guy who enforces the rules then.

01:32:59.34

mikebledsoe

God.

01:32:36.89

Max Shank

No.

01:33:08.42

mikebledsoe

Ah, well if you define God by natural law like like gravity like like to me that is the the forces that have put been put in place to create physical order in the world which we don't need. Anyone to be in charge to do that right? like real laws are things that no person has to enforce and so you have natural law and then you have common law which is basically don't fuck with me and I'm not going to fuck with you right.

01:33:47.53

Max Shank

Right? But who's enforcing that is the question. That's what I'm saying So it's ah you know I think there would be a lot more people stealing each other shit if they didn't think there was some like repercussion.

01:34:22.64

mikebledsoe

Well people ultimately have to enforce it for themselves. Yeah.

01:34:43.68

mikebledsoe

Her maybe maybe well here here's wait. There is a reapercussion so here's an example San Francisco has riots how long do they last Minneapolis long fucking time. You know how long they lasted in Miami.

01:34:25.51

Max Shank

That the hired guns could lay in a long time. Yeah, not as long.

01:35:20.78

mikebledsoe

Yeah, about 36 hours and then it everyone went back to order and it's not because they put more police force out. It's because the the ah the police came out and said hey if you own a store on this street. You might want to come out with your gun. They basically encourage people to protect their own property because that's a state in which they honor property rights right? and then right and then but.

01:35:43.30

Max Shank

Which are the only reason we have all these rules in the None place.

01:36:24.58

mikebledsoe

But property rights aren't necessarily I don't think they necessarily have to be enforced by an outside entity whereas in California you have government officials that are impeding property rights so in 1 state you've got the encouragement of protecting your own property like we're not even going to do it. You do it.

01:36:19.49

Max Shank

Right.

01:36:32.53

Max Shank

Right.

01:37:03.90

mikebledsoe

And then in San Francisco they're saying whatever you do don't protect your own property or else we're gonna come after you, you know you can't have a gun if you shoot somebody on your property. We're gonna you're gonna be in trouble. So some people would say that San Francisco has got way more order or.

01:36:46.10

Max Shank

Right.

01:37:42.64

mikebledsoe

Whereas Florida seems a little more anarchist right? where they're encouraging when I think about anarchy it brings it down to there is a ruler and each person has to be their own ruler in which case. So we look at Miami and people would say oh we're just gonna let people kill each other but the the amount of damage that was done and the amount of deaths were really small because what happened was people came out with their guns. A couple writers got shot and killed and then everyone goes. Oh you can't do that or else you might get shot and killed and so they just don't do it anymore. So I think this is a good example of of the order being placed by. You know, an authoritative government is shown to be ineffective. So I think.

01:38:32.51

Max Shank

Um, well yeah.

01:39:31.30

mikebledsoe

Majority of order that's produced people generally want to be kind to each other people generally want to get along in all the research people avoid conflict. They don't They don't do these things they enter into conflict when they think they can be faceless and nameless and they're wearing a mask and and running through the streets.

01:39:24.49

Max Shank

Most people.

01:39:38.77

Max Shank

A.

01:40:09.94

mikebledsoe

With a thousand other people and they can blend in now they become that's chaos. That's that's that's the mob but that's not anarchy. That's ah anarchy would be everyone. There would be consequences. You're held liable for your personal stuff.

01:39:48.30

Max Shank

Um, a mob.

01:40:44.12

mikebledsoe

Just because everybody was doing It doesn't mean that you are um that it's okay to do it So There's a level of individual responsibility that I see that happens with anarchy and I think that this I think that anything that's not anarchy is actually a. It's an illusion because if we if we go up so we.

01:40:58.49

Max Shank

Well hold up every society is an illusion based on a unify unifying set of beliefs whether it's the tree spirit or an eye for an eye code of hamurabi or hey that guy with the big stick is in charge because he can beat up everyone else.

01:41:50.46

mikebledsoe

It's just it's a story.

01:42:02.26

mikebledsoe

Well well the big, the big stick guy is usually what people think about anything about anarchy is like it's like oh yeah, it's a power game right? It's like if everyone's just running around and.

01:41:38.50

Max Shank

Right? And we just do what he says. That's all.

01:41:56.53

Max Shank

Well it it is extra Well if there's no recourse if someone takes your stuff except for your own then everyone is going to have to arm themselves significantly more now I do think that would make a community.

01:43:01.74

mikebledsoe

I Think it would be a much more peaceful community as well.

01:42:33.81

Max Shank

Much much stronger been to Oklahoma I agree completely. Um, people would respect boundaries a little more I believe and if you think that you may get shot. You're less likely to go try to Rob someone unless it's really really desperate.

01:43:32.78

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

01:43:12.31

Max Shank

And even then you're more likely to go ask? What can you do you can beg borrow or steal if someone has something you want. You know you can work you can beg or you can take um so I think it has a lot to do with.

01:43:52.82

mikebledsoe

Now.

01:44:05.90

mikebledsoe

Or.

01:43:51.67

Max Shank

Fact that we can get our needs met relatively smoothly and I think if you had let's say a dis because I'm not a fan of how taxpayer dollars are managed at all because that's all government is it's all all of our pooled resources put to work by a few. Ah. Clever folks. But I think if you were to dissolve that whole system. Ah it would be a really shaky turbulent. Ah very chaotic adjustment period because the whole concept of. dollars and cents and retirements and everything would just completely collapse and all of these agreements based on that old system would also collapse so all of your existing contracts would basically be like I'm gonna just not.

01:46:08.66

mikebledsoe

Well, a lot of a lot of these structures are are corporate in nature and so these agreements and so any agreements you have with government I mean it's a corporate. It's an agreement between a corporation and an individual which is technically like unlawful.

01:45:43.21

Max Shank

Do that anymore.

01:46:13.47

Max Shank

Right? But those ah but those agreements are basically just for if you have to go to a court.

01:46:46.74

mikebledsoe

In a way. But.

01:46:56.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah there I got a I got a show coming out with Jesse Elder where he covers the whole going to court thing but the which I think will be interesting but I want I want to take this back to the the idea that that do we live. My argument is we already live in anarchy right? And so the I was thinking about this the other day is so there's a war between well I'm about to explain it. So everyone everyone thinks that there's a rule of law right? like the United States is like it's it's not ruled by men. It's ruled by law.

01:47:21.70

Max Shank

Why do we live in anarchy. Okay.

01:47:46.37

Max Shank

Sometimes.

01:48:14.78

mikebledsoe

And so that's that was that's kind of the concept of the United States it's not necessarily how it's resulted, but that's the concept was to to keep us out of trouble. But if we get outside of the United States and we go global. We have global anarchy right? the.

01:47:57.31

Max Shank

Right.

01:48:53.24

mikebledsoe

There is no. There is no authority that makes the countries behave So some of these.

01:48:32.10

Max Shank

Maybe oligarchy maybe more like an oligarchy than total anarchy like I think there's a lot of power centers and unions and allegiances that guide the flow of the world.

01:49:22.52

mikebledsoe

There are there are the um that that are a lot less oligarchies. Well depends on the oligarch like what system you're using can be less violent. You mean you could say that like Elon Musk is probably None of the most powerful people on the planet. Not probably He's more powerful than most countries. Ah and ah, but all the interaction with him and his stuff is is voluntary. So it's it's a less. He may be he may be in charge of people's minds in a way because he's deciding you know what? they.

01:49:54.17

Max Shank

Which is amazing. Ah, right.

01:50:38.78

mikebledsoe

They may be seeing because he controls that way, but it's not.. It's not overtly coercive or or violent. Um, but if we if we extrapolate out and we go what keeps these nations like what supersedes the nation you know and some people might say Nato UN. Ah, have all these different organizations where these countries send representatives and they jerk each other off for a few days and then go back. Ah these that the truth is is the only thing that keeps anyone from fucking with anybody else is the possibility of total destruction. There's an entire global strategy going on by each country On. You have a few powers that are trying to dominate. But there's all these allies that are created and rules and and and they're generating all this stuff but generally like if you I think people. People are under this false premise of there is law and order that's produced by human beings. But it's completely inaccurate because if we keep going to a larger Magnitude. We start seeing that there's nothing other than brute force and power that is. That is in charge and so in which case I say that that's truly just Anarchy. We already exist under it. But the problem is is we suffer under a ah like ah this illusion because people don't ah. Because they put their trust in the illusion. They never take personal responsibility. They never become their own ruler. They never make their own decisions. They never learn to protect themselves feed themselves provide for themselves and so they're putting the trust in something illusory that can change at a moment's notice. And put them out in the cold.

01:54:07.63

Max Shank

Um, yeah I I tend to think that all ah Authority matters are resolved that way with the threat of total destruction on a micro level and on a macro level. You know the.

01:55:06.22

mikebledsoe

M.

01:54:45.33

Max Shank

Way that individuals are ruled the way that countries are ruled the way that countries rule over each other.. It's always the threat of total destruction and you know self-preservation is a very powerful instinct and I think that's probably what drives ah countries more than anything. Is the self-preservation Instinct of the rulers.

01:55:59.64

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, gotta be I mean I think that's just everybody.

01:55:39.27

Max Shank

Keep the power get a little bit more keep the power get a little bit more because it never ends it very rarely ends well like the dictator doesn't like ride off into the sunset and be like hey guys I had fun oppressing the shit out of you. Thank you for letting me just go on.

01:56:36.86

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well when was the last time there was a dictator that like died of natural causes and everybody all the your country. The country was like oh yeah, ah.

01:56:14.47

Max Shank

Down the dusty road dude North Korea North Korea one of my favorite front. None of my favorite stories ever I another plug for dictators playbook. Very good series. The story of ah Kim il-sung. And then ah Kim Jong -il and now kim jong un none generation dictatorship pretty good for the modern era he is repressing the shit out of those people's ability to see information and see what other life is like he's smeared the hell out of the fat americans it's incredible.

01:57:29.64

mikebledsoe

Now. Yeah.

01:58:00.28

mikebledsoe

I need to I need to watch this. It sounds.

01:57:33.19

Max Shank

Ah, anyway, Kim il-sung dot died of natural causes. Kim Jong -il also died of natural causes. Kim Jong un maybe eating himself to death. But that's still a natural cause basically like it's incredible.

01:58:25.98

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well what I'm saying yeah but people aren't happy what I'm saying is like has anyone ah as a dictator ever like died and then everyone's like oh genuinely sad.

01:58:17.75

Max Shank

There is way less obesity in North Korea than the United States that's a fact that's a fact.

01:58:57.48

mikebledsoe

Did you did you listen to that? Ah interview Rogan did with um that North Korean woman who escaped at fucking crazy. Totally worth listening to.

01:58:44.51

Max Shank

Um, yeah I did it was wild. Loved it. Dude That's the history of the world is like awful awful stuff like that look at all the like torture shame the the um juxtaposition of. Art and war as ah, vessels for this oscillation between order and chaos is Incredible. We're making these beautiful pieces of art. We're you know, putting together quilts and nice things for people and medicines and then we have like these. Ah. Mechanical suppositories that expand up your anus as torture and you just have these like weird is such ah, an insane level of destruction and violent and then creation and cooperation and you know optimism. I Mean human beings are insane and then a few of them get really insane and are like I will lead these people and then and then I here's what I think happens I don't think this is going to be a very popular take but I think ah. Most of the most of the guys who went and did these insane things. It was really like the whispers of a lady that was driving him. You know what? I mean I think we we cannot. We cannot Blame. Ah.

02:02:04.24

mikebledsoe

Oh yeah.

02:01:53.57

Max Shank

White We We can't make white men the whipping boy of all the evil shit. That's ever been Done. You know ladies men of all colors of all creeds have oppressed people I'm sure that there were Queens who would tease their king about the size of his kingdom. And just nag nag nag him until he conquered the neighbors be like you call this a kingdom This is the tiniest Kingdom. That's what I think yeah.

02:03:07.16

mikebledsoe

I think that was like Alexander the great alexander the great. Yeah and what's her name or is it Ashley and I got this conversation the other day which was we we take we take like things that are really hot. Like unstable topics in society and then we debate them in the car and because she grew up in the bay where there's a very she grew up in a very left leaning view. So there's a lot of opportunity for me to ask her questions just had a curiosity is like okay how is.

02:03:38.67

Max Shank

Ah.

02:04:22.20

mikebledsoe

Okay, this is how I understand this situation. What's the okay, what's going on over there and she tells me I'm like okay have are those people have they considered this so no, okay, cool and so it's like it ends up in a interesting conversation. So one was um, we were listening to a show. They're talking about. Um you know, ah, ah, equity like equity amongst men and women for pay right? who you know men men generally get paid more money than women and so the feminist movement has been. Incredibly focused on money in in regard to things not being fair and so and so that was my that was my so we got in this conversation. so so yeah yeah so Ashley's like you know it's unfair and.

02:05:19.71

Max Shank

They already spend all the money. There are so many reasons for there are so many reasons for this I mean. Okay.

02:06:16.72

mikebledsoe

And I was like I was like well have we talked about all the contributing factors to why it might be that way and then the number one? Well the None thing that I came up with not came up with but like the None stat that we looked at was ah okay. So men make how much more money on average and women for the same type of work. Okay, well, who spends the money who who spends more money. It's like well the women spend 70% of all the money on.

02:06:44.45

Max Shank

But there there are like 10 different reasons that things usually are this way if it was so clear cut as like the Twitter sized argument would have you believe then every smart businessman would just hire women I would save.

02:07:45.74

mikebledsoe

Totally.

02:07:24.37

Max Shank

I would save 25% on my ah payroll and I would be because if it's the same job for ah 25% less money. You would be a fool not to do it. You would have just factories. You would only have women employees. It would only be women working ah like why wouldn't you why wouldn't you no no, it's it's stupid. It's just another distraction. We have so much more in common.

02:08:32.48

mikebledsoe

That's that's a really good point or because of discrimination people are are misogynist What it's It's ah it's a. Well the thing the thing is is people people will they look at the result and then they they that that's the explanation. Oh. There's not this so it must be.. It must be that that person that men are generally bad at you know that are generally misogynistic.

02:08:37.10

Max Shank

Ah, then we have different.

02:09:41.72

mikebledsoe

So There's this like the proof for a lot of people. The proof is in the the lack of equity versus getting into all the little things that might contribute to that and you make a really good point because you know what? if if I could get away with that I do the same thing and. And then you could like claim to be nobles like oh I I Only hire women and and in the background you know you, you're making more money That's not necessarily I don't see in the conversations I yeah.

02:09:53.91

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

02:10:09.43

Max Shank

It's just like a different type of sexism I mean I don't think I think more than people being like pro-man or pro lady or anti-man or anti-lady people are just selfish understandably. So. You're the only None living your experience. You're the only one responsible for it if you can get a few extra points of street cred for talking shit. Why wouldn't you I mean we talked about how effective lying is talking shit is so effective I mean do you think Tom Sawyer painted the fence. No. Sweet talked the other kid and said hey wouldn't you like to paint this fence I will trade you the opportunity of painting this fence for that shiny red Apple you got and so he's there eating the Apple while this guy is so happy that he now has the opportunity to build a fence so people are just. Selfish and they realize that they can talk to get attention and energy and that kind of thing instead of work and there are so many I mean my god we could talk all day about this like alleged discrimination between men and women. But um. This is a contest that nobody wins there's no way to win this discussion because it's like hey did you know that men kill themselves 4 times more than women they're like no I didn't know that is like well can you just like fucking eat the quarter and like. Not worry I mean we're dying 4 times as much at our own hand like is it really? So amazing. Yeah.

02:13:43.26

mikebledsoe

Well 98% of workplace deaths are men as well like I it's like is what.

02:13:27.69

Max Shank

But but that's that's the whole point is like people just do what they want to do that's all and quite frankly, you know if you're a lady you can just get really hot and nice. But if you're a fella I mean I guess you could do that too like you could be a cabana boy. Type of ah life strategy I've considered it I've done the entrepreneurship thing for a while but I've also considered what if I put the same amount of dedication to being like a really like goodlooking Kabana boy right? and just like teach yoga classes by the pool of some like rich lady. And my whole responsibility is just like oh a little more suntann for you I'll whip up a little ah sandwich for you there like that's totally a strategy and maybe I would earn more doing that than what I'm currently doing so. It's fine, but it's just that usually the way that a guy shows.

02:15:33.80

mikebledsoe

Maybe maybe.

02:15:21.39

Max Shank

Ah, dominance in the hierarchy is by making lots of money That's usually how it is and then if you like get the gender roles confused sometimes you have people chasing things that don't even feel good to them. They just do it because they think they're supposed to and that's.

02:15:54.00

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah.

02:16:21.18

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

02:15:59.83

Max Shank

I think that is ah actually really scary spent a lot of energy getting something that you didn't even want in the None place.

02:16:31.36

mikebledsoe

You know. Yeah Jordan Peterson was talking about a ah ah a concept that women are just generally more intelligent than men they they are generally have more opportunities at. Through childhood and adolescence and because guys tend to only be really good at None thing and then they throw themselves completely into it and engineering might be a really good example of this is men are were sport men men.

02:17:15.75

Max Shank

Or sport.

02:17:54.79

mikebledsoe

We'll use engineers for as an example, why do engineers get paid more than women. Well most engineers didn't do.

02:17:32.81

Max Shank

Well not, they don't necessarily. It's just engineering people get paid more than nursing people typically.

02:18:13.58

mikebledsoe

Well well why are there more male engineers than female engineers This was this was this was the question being talked about and now I'm gonna give it to you but but the the the thing that he was proposing is that.

02:18:00.59

Max Shank

Are you looking for an answer. Are you going to give it to me. Okay I have ideas.

02:18:51.76

mikebledsoe

Women have more opportunities through their youth because they're generally more intelligent and don't dedicate themselves wholly to None subject whereas men tend to be a little less intelligent and in a broad and a broad amount of subjects whereas. And it has less to do with like level of intelligence versus being able to be intelligent at a lot of things versus just None thing so men at for a lot of engineers. They they sucked at english history. All the stuff that wasn't mathematics. But then there's a lot of women who were pretty good at mathematics. But they were also really good at english and. History and all these other subjects so there wasn't this this force of focus in order to be become valuable. So I think that between between you know, if you look at just math mathematicians out in the world like the highest levels are men but.

02:19:57.17

Max Shank

Yeah.

02:20:47.10

mikebledsoe

Women are generally if you were to look at the averages. The average woman is better at it than the average man but men tend to to live more at the extremes when it comes to these things and so that person's more likely to get to become a high paid engineer than the average woman and so.

02:20:34.29

Max Shank

I see ah.

02:20:48.79

Max Shank

Um.

02:21:26.68

mikebledsoe

Um, because women have the argument he was making is because women have more opportunities than men they actually may not get completely focused into a ah vocation. That's gonna pay really really well and the other thing is to the point you were making earlier is. Men are generally generally ah judged on their their finances and their financial success and women are generally ah their status comes from being beautiful and so if you're a woman and and.

02:22:05.31

Max Shank

Or the or the niceness of the Shark cuttery board that they can lay out.

02:22:45.48

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah for that that would be the case for me my girlfriend won me over with sharuery boards.

02:22:24.29

Max Shank

Like for a like party planning like that's ah that's a skill that among the other ladies I don't think I'm being crazy here. That's a skill where everyone else would be like man look at that meat and cheese plate. There are dried apricots on there that looks that looks amazing right.

02:23:20.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah, but but if you're a woman and you have many different interests and you don't dedicate yourself into a single field and then in the background. There's also this the majority of your focuses on status that involves beauty as well. So you have this social.

02:23:26.97

Max Shank

Oh right.

02:23:58.20

mikebledsoe

Social pressure being beautiful and then you also have a lot of opportunities academically and then you got guys are like you know I just got to get good at 1 thing and they just throw themselves at it and so that that's 1 explanation of like why there might be some discrepancy.

02:23:51.85

Max Shank

I Think it's I think it's even simpler I think that men and women generally get pushed a certain direction and guys who might naturally be more creative. Get funneled into something that is more utilitarian and women who might be more math and science and technology oriented might get diverted off toward like barbies and art and that kind of thing. Because I think that's just the the natural momentum of our culture is that girls do girly things and guys do manly things and so it's just when there's an intersection of your preference. However, that was derived and your ability.

02:26:18.54

mikebledsoe

I Mean that's generally true.

02:25:55.17

Max Shank

Yeah, and that's also why ah you know nurses are typically women and they're a little bit more nurturing and interestingly enough I think it's a really interesting. It's an interesting example because I think that is. Ah, much more difficult skill to replicate with technology this idea that you'll be Able. You'll be able to diagnose with a supercomputer with I would imagine tremendous accuracy but the.

02:27:10.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, not possible.

02:27:05.50

Max Shank

The bedside care and the nursing and that sort of thing seems really hard to replicate with ah with tech I think Ais are gonna doctor it up and the nurses there's just gonna be a bunch of ladies doing a great job. Um, you know.

02:27:46.70

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the ai is going to do that anytime soon.

02:28:10.94

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well there, there's um, well that.

02:27:43.61

Max Shank

Talking and listening chatting doing skills. It's a high so that's that's and some things just don't get rewarded very well like nursing holy fuck. Okay, that's the perfect example I think it seems like None of the hardest jobs around you're in a pretty scary place all the time. Working pretty tough hours with difficult people quite frankly, right? and and you're like getting okay money. It's like okay but talk about difficult.

02:28:57.52

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

02:29:08.40

mikebledsoe

Now Now incredibly yeah I wouldn't want to do it. It sounds terrible.

02:28:59.53

Max Shank

I Don't even like being in hospitals. It's like my one of my least favorite places.

02:29:38.28

mikebledsoe

Yeah, let's wrap this bad boy up where we.

02:29:17.65

Max Shank

Okay, so today's show was called chaos we tried to bring order to it but we just couldn't figure out a way to put it in there. Ah ah well they define each other.

02:30:09.16

mikebledsoe

Yeah, we didn't really talk about order much.

02:29:57.50

Max Shank

Right? We talked a lot about the hierarchies in society I think that order can bring a lot of peace to your life. Um, so maybe the the takeaway I would wrap up with is. Dose yourself with some chaos do some? Ah do some tough conversations with someone have like a heated debate and do some roughhousing and playing that is introducing chaos in ah in a safe environment and then you know bring. Bring order into your life by trying to automate as many things as you can to make your life easier. So maybe there's those None things what I would say keep it practical.

02:31:54.12

mikebledsoe

Know well sudden. Yeah, but both are necessary. Nothing to be Judged. You know having order and not good or bad chaos. Not good or bad. Both are necessary for the development of culture. It's necessary for the development of human beings we go through these phases. And I find that it's it brings a lot more peace when you're in when you can acknowledge what phase you're in and go oh it's a little chaotic if I want things to be different and you know what's the order I want to create and just being being aware of these things can help you move through things a lot more. Smoothly max where can they find you.

02:32:55.55

Max Shank

http://maxshank.com or at max shank.

02:33:27.90

mikebledsoe

Check me out Instagram at Mike Underscore Bletso and you can check out things at the http://bletsoshow.com I also got a summit for the coaches coming up in June if you want to check that out. Go to shop dot destrongcoach dot com. But y'all loving next.

02:33:42.73

Max Shank

Bye later.

Ben Greenfield is a leader in the health industry. He's spent most of his life building his business… and lately, he's been committed to being the best father, husband, and man he can be

He's learned a lot about both along the way, and in this episode, he shares his best insights into how you can do both for yourself

00:00.00

Max Shank

Welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're going to talk about the easiest way to improve your life and that is your environment your environment includes people. Your environment includes the physical space physical objects. The actual climate or weather and not only can you perfectly adapt to the environment you're in but actually 1 of the easiest ways to change is just to change your environment and that's one of the reasons that joining a community of. Healthy fit people is by far the easiest way to get healthy and fit yourself because I believe in the 5 monkey rule which is that you become most like the 5 people that you spend the most time with so let's talk about. Environment how to adapt to it. How others have adapted to it in the past and how you can also change it completely which is a very amazing talent. Mike thanks for joining me again.

01:07.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, this is this is a fun topic topic because um I was at a talk couple weeks ago at an event and this guy was talking about the 3 things that that drive change and ah, you're. Changing your environment and the people you're around your community is by far the least stressful and the easiest to comebine and can have the you know, easiest long-term effects. The other two is people make change when the first one is when people make change when something. Horrible Happens. There's something traumatic that happens or like they they had a blind spot and then all something you know someone goes into the doctor and they got holy shit you got diabetes or you got cancer. It's like oh fuck and then you realize that your your you know your life is finite and oh I had better make a change. Ah, that one that finding change and creating change from that place. Not a lot of fun. Um, that one's yeah pain pain and suffering. Um and then the other one being the other one you could do is strategic.

02:09.57

Max Shank

Um, so that's like pain motivation the motivation of pain hunger pain desire Very synonymous.

02:22.51

mikebledsoe

You know someone might go hire a coach and then we create a strategy for maybe do some mindset training or whatever it is on how to get you to change your behavior or your lifestyle just by creating a strategy That's also very difficult. It takes some willpower which we'll say for later time.

02:40.85

Max Shank

Well, it takes proportional desire to the activity that they're willing to undertake I think having a more tactical approach that may include hiring a coach and coming up with a more concrete plan is a great way to go about it. Use your rational mind.

02:41.78

mikebledsoe

But.

03:00.41

Max Shank

I would say that the desire comes from kind of the same place. You feel a lack of health or a lack of community or a lack of confidence or a lack of something and there's some feeling there that makes you go You know what? Not only do I want more but I think it's possible that I could.

03:19.18

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and so and changing your environment and your community. It's by far the easiest that's that's 1 reason that I run my coaching business the way I do and I suggest other coaches do the same which is make them community oriented have people going through the process together.

03:20.23

Max Shank

Get more.

03:38.23

mikebledsoe

Because it does normalize things. You know if you're hanging out with a bunch of people who are running triathlons. That's gonna become a normal thing for you to do if you're playing with hanging out with a bunch of tennis players you be playing tennis if you hang out with a bunch of musicians. You're probably gonna pick up an instrument and. It's going to be almost automatic in a lot of ways. So It's going to be easy. Super super easy.

04:01.14

Max Shank

It will be easy I Think that's an important point that I would like to I'd like to stop at the definition station real quick about the word easy because in.

04:14.12

mikebledsoe

But here we go again.

04:21.14

Max Shank

In practice. Ah easy is something that you that you want to do easy is something that doesn't require a lot of time perhaps but I think difficult and easy are more defined by whether you want to do it or not. I think people find it very easy to do something. They love pretty much all day long so they would be willing to spend a hundred times more effort because it doesn't feel like they have to force themselves to do it because the activity itself is intrinsically enjoyable. And if you join a community that is playful with their goal achieving like there's a lot of playfulness in some entrepreneurs and that is ah maybe a defining characteristic of the ones who do much much better is it's a fun exciting game. That they want to play not not just because they want to purchase a boat in the future but because that game is exciting to them so there's that intrinsic joy in the activity itself that makes something easy. I think I think that's what makes it easy is if you want to do it.

05:34.90

mikebledsoe

Absolutely absolutely yeah I think they as humans we tend to adopt the the desires of others when we're in a group or we choose the group based on our desires or at least we can I don't think that's what happens when we're young and growing up and we're. Pretty much forced to hang out with whoever's in our you know whoever our parents decide to put in our geographical you know sphere. But um, you know some of the some of the easiest changes I've ever made was when I moved locations. Um I.

05:59.94

Max Shank

Um.

06:12.61

mikebledsoe

You know there's so many benefits. Yeah I tell people all the time is if you're gonna if you if you're gonna be moving make a list if you're gonna move. Especially if you're moving to whole new New city. But even if you're moving to a new house or apartment or whatever it is. That's when.

06:13.39

Max Shank

It's a big shakeup. It's a big shakeup.

06:29.60

mikebledsoe

You can introduce new habits most easily because everything in your life is changing so I'll use up. The big thing is if you're moving to a new city. You're likely gonna be hanging out with a whole new social circle and ah, which means that you could either if you if you're not. Intentional about it. You probably end up hanging out with a lot of the same type of people you were hanging out with and you're gonna end up recreating. You know a similar lifestyle of wherever you were so that saying of no matter where you go or wherever you go, you will be there and so what i. What I've done intentionally is when I've landed it in a new town I know that those people they're not going to be judging me on my history because they don't even know it anyone? um anyone we ever interact with is seeing us for for the entirety of. The time we've known each other like when I when I see you max you know I think what we met probably six seven years ago maybe six years ago I'm thinking um I'm basically thinking of max over that entire period of time and probably the things that I was introduced to you initially are gonna stand out.

07:32.97

Max Shank

And.

07:44.50

mikebledsoe

The most and so as you can imagine. Yeah, if you if you live if you live with your you know with your family or near your family. Your family are they're gonna treat you like your a little kid because they knew you as a little kid and so that's.

07:44.96

Max Shank

Like a first impression.

07:57.80

Max Shank

And you'll probably act out that role just the same as you have always been acting out that role.

08:01.92

mikebledsoe

Totally totally. So every time I've moved I've had the opportunity to upgrade my identity I can I can then decide I'm gonna be someone who you know the person the next iteration of myself that I want to be and I can.

08:10.77

Max Shank

The.

08:20.80

mikebledsoe

Consciously choose to present myself to new people in that way and I can be careful about the people I surround myself with who are the people I surround myself with now and it's not same people same type of person that I surround myself with before now. It's not. Dramatically drastic changes. But there are some small changes I've noticed as I've gotten older I've I've shrunk The friend circle quite a bit and gotten more selective because I see you know how influenced how influenced I am by the people.

08:39.53

Max Shank

Further.

08:57.19

mikebledsoe

I surround myself with so if you want to make a change and you want to you know, moving to a new city that I don't think there's ah, a quicker faster easier way to do it Although that may sound like a big fucking deal to somebody because it is but I think that.

09:07.57

Max Shank

Oh.

09:15.44

mikebledsoe

Moving to a new city is you know, logistically maybe difficult but from a making change perspective so much easier.

09:22.61

Max Shank

Yeah, it definitely will shake things up in a big way. Ah, one of the reasons I like talking to new people is exactly what you were talking about I Love talking to new people because I don't know what I'm going to say. And I try not to be too attached to the way I think about things So I I try to really take a conversation as it comes and what I find really interesting is sometimes I will surprise myself with what I say. To a person that I've never interacted with before and it's it's because it's just a different um Interaction. You know this person has no clue who I am I don't have any clue who they are and I'm only bringing what I think right now I'm not necessarily bringing what I thought. Last year. So I'm excited to see like oh this is a really different way that I'm answering this question than the way I used to answer this Question. So I think every time you meet somebody new at least in my case, it feels. It feels different because I'm in such a state of.

10:26.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah, no.

10:38.30

Max Shank

Ah, flux.

10:39.13

mikebledsoe

Yeah I agree with that. Yeah different people bring different parts of us out and I you know we're talking about the community. The people you surround yourself with but there's a lot of other environmental factors aside from the people we're surrounded by that impact. How we live our lives. Um.

10:57.61

Max Shank

Well hold hold on before we go on though. Let's let's hone in on the the people thing because I think you want to understand the difference between thinking there are like good and bad people versus there are complementary people. And there are ah mutually destructive pairings so there are like complementary pairings and there are mutually destructive pairings but I try not to think of it like oh this person is better or I'm better and they're worse I mean you could make that argument certainly that some people are better and worse.

11:35.78

mikebledsoe

I Think most will do.

11:35.82

Max Shank

And many people do. But I think of it more like yeah and ah, of course we don't really know what their experience was like so it's such a slippery slope because then you got to like what think their parents were bad or their parents' parents were bad. It's like where does the blame. Really end with the goodness and badness of our Fellows. So I Just think about the fact that there is a different interaction happening. You know, like musical notes you get this note and then this other note you play them together and you get. Ah. A certain frequency and then you meet someone slightly different and the whole interaction is completely Different. So I think the way people interact with each other ah really sets the tone for relationships in a.

12:14.43

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

12:28.21

Max Shank

In a monumental way so you can be ah playful in Conversation. You can be playful in movement and sport or you know I'm not sure what the opposite of playful is maybe like stiff or like. Hateful Almost I'm not sure I'm not sure what would the opposite of playful would be ah but you know what I'm saying like the interactions with other people are so big in how you evaluate and interpret your life that if they're if they're not playful if they're not loving then.

12:50.57

mikebledsoe

I'm trying to think of it. Now.

13:07.75

Max Shank

Ah, you you it. It can be a real problem and sometimes carving it out is really uncomfortable thought for people but it's not like the other person's bad and I'm good. It's just like this this pairing doesn't work together.

13:15.87

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

13:22.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and and those pairings may not work. They may work together for a period of time and then they don't and it doesn't mean Yeah, ah I've definitely experienced that. Um, that with my my ex-wife even that was there was a period of time where that worked great and then there was a period of time. It stopped working.

13:28.20

Max Shank

Oh yeah, a lot of stuff works for a while. Um I mean if we're talking about. Love Yeah, if we're talking about love. Ah, if we're talking about love and romance I mean my lord.

13:42.16

mikebledsoe

And it served both of us to to walk away. Yeah, what are the antonyms for be sad.

13:47.63

Max Shank

Could be sad.

13:54.00

Max Shank

Be sad and work Those are good opposites so that's.

13:55.89

mikebledsoe

Be sad and work that makes sense.

14:03.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

14:06.40

Max Shank

That's big I think drawing clear boundaries about what kind of interactions you are going to participate in sometimes it is better to just like take your ball and go home play with yourself.

14:14.52

mikebledsoe

I like to I like to extrapolate on these types of things and that you know as above so below you know things that are happening at the smallest level are also happening at the largest level and when I look at say a relationship between 2 people. We can ah extrapolate that out to interactions between different cultures. We could say you know 2 different countries. You know you got a culture over here and that has certain values and you have a country over here. It has certain values and these countries may get along really well these two groups of people.

14:37.49

Max Shank

Um, so it.

14:51.70

mikebledsoe

Me say countries because I think the whole idea is going away but the yeah these two groups of people are either getting along or they have a lot of conflict and I really I think about this a lot and then also what.

14:53.78

Max Shank

At groups.

15:08.32

mikebledsoe

But I like about looking at culture more and large groups of people was I think it's ah easier to see what has created the way that they are as ah as a culture. So I really like to look at the Eu. The european union is a really good example of this and so. What you have ah is you have a lot of the countries in the north and you have a lot of countries in the south that have all they all said you know what we're gonna try to get along. You know we we haven't tried to kill each other in like you know a few decades. So maybe we should you know. All fall under the same currency and you know give each other a pass on the passport thing and all the things that happens with the european union but what happened in the last decade yeah I think was that the the euro was probably what a decade maybe 2 decades old I forget how long it's been around.

15:49.80

Max Shank

Ah.

16:07.86

mikebledsoe

I Think it's been around like 20 maybe a little more than 20 years at this point nonetheless. Um, they basically took all these countries and they put them on the same currency and so some countries whose value of their currency was low automatically got propped up really quick. And in some countries whose value is really high got brought down really quick and what you ended up with was it tan be yeah oh yeah, yeah I thought you're talking about the discrepancy but the yeah.

16:28.61

Max Shank

Right? It's like a marriage it I mean it's like a union you know, know that that's what I'm saying that too I mean in a. Ah marriage or in a business partnership or a union of countries or big groups. Um, you know there's there's give and take and yeah.

16:54.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so so I mean what? what ended ones up ends up happening this this really is a interesting study for me and what ends up happening is you have places like Portugal greece who especially Greece I think from what I understand. They went from being like ah you know, not that wealthy of a country to hopping on the euro and then all of a sudden people didn't have to work much anymore because they were instantly more wealthy and so there was a little less work that had to be done which in Greece there.

17:22.13

Max Shank

Um.

17:30.80

mikebledsoe

They're they're not. They don't work as hard as say the Germans So I think we can look at that's exact. That's what that's what yeah, that's what I'm getting at yeah is when you look at the northern countries in the European Union These countries are very good at planning.

17:34.17

Max Shank

Um, pretty different climate also interesting to think about? yeah.

17:48.93

mikebledsoe

They're very good at saving. Um and they're there's they're way more strategic in a lot of ways whereas when you look at the southern countries you look at italy you've got portugal. You've got greece all these countries life is good. 24 7 3 65 the necessity to think ahead is just so much lower like why would you? you have you have generations of people that didn't really have to think ahead more than a day or 2 and then yeah.

18:16.68

Max Shank

It's in.

18:20.62

Max Shank

Yeah, let's go fit. It's fine. Let's go fishing. We'll be all right? It's fine. Let's go fishing.

18:24.91

mikebledsoe

And exactly and then you have the swedes who if they don't you know it's It's winter is coming. Yeah, it's it's June and they're doing everything they can do to you know, prepare for something that's months and months away.

18:31.48

Max Shank

Winter is coming.

18:41.56

Max Shank

Well and you get the opposite side of the spectrum too when you go to the middle of the freaking desert where it circles back to now it's a different type of harshness of climate and you need a different set of wisdom that is still ah forward thinking.

18:51.26

mikebledsoe

In here.

18:58.83

mikebledsoe

Yeah, collecting water.

19:01.50

Max Shank

And I think it's so yeah, it's so fascinating to look at like the Island Lifestyle because that's what we think of when we think of chill vibes. We think of a beach with palm trees and people.

19:17.51

mikebledsoe

This shit happens near the equator.

19:18.47

Max Shank

Taking it easy that that but not in the middle of the desert very severe there. It's just where there's like a union of sunny weather and water and food and it doesn't require a lot of.

19:25.55

mikebledsoe

You're right.

19:36.62

Max Shank

Harsh planning. It doesn't require ah an insane amount of ah like shelter ah manufacturing elegance either. You know.

19:44.58

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and so like but and this really gets my interest a lot because it really highlights how different groups of people can be and how different individuals can be and. You know when people talk about you know, global currencies or they talk about trying to bring everybody under a standard set of rules and I immediately go you I don't if you if you want to do that I don't think you really understand how this shit works because we. If we try to bring everyone on the same standard. We don't need everyone having the same architectural standards in Hawaii as we do in Maine these are different architectural standards. These are different currency standards. There's these are all very very different and the result in the year Eu was Germany had to come in and bail out Greece basically and there was there was a lot of people that had a lot of feelings about who really should belong in the eu and should they should they build these countries out because they really just had a lack of planning so in my opinion.

20:53.60

Max Shank

Little little more accurate agreement ahead of time a little more clear operating agreement to go on what if this happens what if this have you know some contingency plans right? And and I think yeah.

20:59.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so this was a number of years ago, but it you know things have yeah I don't think things have gotten that much better.

21:15.29

Max Shank

Whenever whenever you're trying to solve something where you think it's really really urgent. You typically don't think forward as many consequences of that band-aid like the quicker you are to slap a solution on you're like okay, everybody drop everything.

21:25.25

mikebledsoe

Right.

21:33.14

Max Shank

Got a solution and they're like but what about what happens next month we can't we don't have time for that. We just have to do this thing right now and next month comes around. You're like hey that solution ah of eating all of our food and burning all the oil. Ah. Is really fucking us over now we we all agree it seemed like a good idea at the time.

21:58.35

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, but but getting back to is you know? ah your environment where you where you grew up what culturally you know if you had parents to grew up in Russia that you might have an attitude of being a little more um, is it called.

22:07.99

Max Shank

Any.

22:17.27

Max Shank

Severe austere. Yeah.

22:18.33

mikebledsoe

Ah, austere. Yeah, you might have a little more austerity and built into your culture I I have a friend whose family's from the Ukraine and and he moved here when he was about 7 and you know he still has that that you could tell he's still got a little bit like you know we got it. We got to save up for winter type of thing even though we're in Austin Texas.

22:39.80

Max Shank

Tote Yeah and some people have that to a much greater degree and some people have that to a lesser degree. Some people. Ah you know don't have any food at home and feel totally fine and some people don't feel safe unless they have a multiple year. Supply of food at home at all times and that's that's a huge spectrum.

22:58.70

mikebledsoe

My my girlfriend thinks I have my girlfriend says I have food scarcity issues the ah but the more not and I never thought about it I never thought about it in the context of this conversation because now I'm going. Oh um, I'm extremely.

23:04.40

Max Shank

Yeah, um I don't know if she is.

23:17.82

mikebledsoe

Fair skin probably from the north where people had to plan for this. She's she's a quarter Nicaraguan half Mexican and has some European Eastern European in her but like she came from where the the water was flowing and the the sun was abundant.

23:19.16

Max Shank

Ah.

23:36.43

Max Shank

Dude just tell her she has ah equatorial privilege or something like that and see how that goes over you'd be like. Okay, yeah, you guys you guys have a dance festival. We have a farm to tend to.

23:41.00

mikebledsoe

Um, I'll bring that up in the next conversation we get in about such topics.

23:51.36

Max Shank

And some silos that need stocking you guys enjoy the dance festival. So.

23:54.37

mikebledsoe

But ah, but I think a good example of this also is you ever watch game of thrones. So what was what was the attitude of the people from the north and lots of discipline you you do what you say and you say what you're gonna do and.

23:59.66

Max Shank

Oh yeah.

24:05.44

Max Shank

Um, is about as austere as you get is harsh.

24:14.15

mikebledsoe

There is a level of honesty that's necessary because life life was on the line all the time.

24:18.42

Max Shank

And then in the south. It's like orgies and you know just free wheeling and dealing kind of lifestyle down there right? and you know there's a lot of I mean it's a story right? But there's.

24:28.62

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah.

24:37.98

Max Shank

Ah, guile and lying and backstabbing in all climates. But the austerity of the frozen north versus the temperate tropics is is plain as day in the real world and also in Tv shows.

24:41.40

mikebledsoe

Right.

24:51.91

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, you're hang out in Jamaica they're they're so relaxed. Well, that's a thing is like I I from hanging hanging out with people who are from the tropical regions and being living in San Diego for a while taught me how to relax I was like oh I just need to chill the fuck out or um.

24:55.86

Max Shank

Oh my god Bahamas is.

25:12.23

mikebledsoe

Stressing myself out. There's something to learn from both.

25:15.10

Max Shank

I Think it's ah wise to do it animal style which is you're either um, like resting or you're focused. You're just focused on what it is. You're doing So I think it's.

25:27.50

mikebledsoe

Um.

25:32.82

Max Shank

Really valuable to um work on a project and really devote yourself to something but all of the the feelings of. Your worthiness attached to your suffering ah that like puritanical shit is probably not very wise. So if you can really party ah like Carnival but then plan like a frozen ah farmer in the tundra then ah. I Think you'll probably find pretty good success and also um, a really enjoyable social life and lifestyle.

26:15.34

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you get the best of both worlds I mean and it's 2022 so really good to choose that. Even if you live somewhere that does get cold in the winter when you have a heater and you have cars with with heated seats and all this yeah.

26:28.97

Max Shank

Oh yeah, my God but you gotta shovel the walk. Maybe you got to scrape ice off your windshield like I went I went to the mountains.

26:34.92

mikebledsoe

Ah, there's still more austerity there. But what I'm saying is like overall things have become a choice kind of like being fit. Ah you you have the ability to be in the best best shape any human being could ever be in because of all the access to anything you ever wanted. But you can also be in the worst shape and you could.

26:50.00

Max Shank

And.

26:54.43

mikebledsoe

You could just completely waste your life away doing nothing and playing video games because life is so easy and there is abundance or you could or you could choose to use the tools that technology has has given us in order to really leverage.

26:58.30

Max Shank

The.

27:13.25

mikebledsoe

Strategy in a way that makes a really big impact and so the the amount of choice that we have in these things is way higher. So I think it requires a higher level of discipline If you're gonna I think that a lot I think a lot of people tend to.. They don't even really know what austerity is.

27:29.50

Max Shank

There's way more pleasure levers. Well there's so many pleasure levers like you can pull the coffee lever you can pull the Tiktok lever. You can get tits on the telephone you can get drugs delivered to your like I can get booze delivered to my door if I want to. Get drugs I can get all kinds of shit just delivered to me so there are pleasure levers everywhere. So ah, um, I'll bring it back to fasting because that's the most. Ah.

27:51.80

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

28:02.77

Max Shank

But apart from safety. That's the most significant consistent and primal desire that we work with hunger desire pain all synonyms. So if you can control that 1 thing with conscious ah thought then you have at least the foundation.

28:21.26

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

28:21.44

Max Shank

To control those other things and so um I don't know if there's it's different for everybody though. It obviously seems easier for some people to not eat tons of chocolates than it is for others. Some people. It seems really hard to not eat chocolates and popcorn all day. I find that a little bit challenging myself I would just snack all day long I'll I will just.

28:47.40

mikebledsoe

On' the other way I I'm like I for I'll forget to eat type of thing I've I've had to like stay on top of myself my whole life.

28:52.20

Max Shank

If you're really interested in something ah eating is irrelevant if you're really interested I'll I'll do that too but like I will I'll go a whole day without eating. Yeah.

29:01.93

mikebledsoe

I Think that's accurate. Yeah I'm a very curious person That's probably why I don't eat much.

29:11.18

Max Shank

And I'll do that too unless you put a sandwich in front of me like if I see the food if I see the food. It's It's very likely going to be eaten I mean I'll smell it first to make sure it's good just like any other animal but I'm going to eat that food if I see it.

29:26.34

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

29:28.92

Max Shank

And I can eat such a tremendous quantity of food. It is. It is outrageous like sometimes I will lift the bowl which is like a giant plate. It's like a twelve inch platter that's two feet deep two inches deep not two feet deep like a barrel two inches deep giant ah bowl and I'll fill it and sometimes I'll be carrying it from the kitchen to the table and I'll go holy fuck this this is heavy lifting lifting. This food is heavy to me. And it'll be like 3 to 5 eggs a couple of brotw worstst some rice and cheese and pesto and ricotta and it just becomes this mass of eggs and cheese and meat and and it's shocking. It's shocking. What's that dude are you kit.

30:16.57

mikebledsoe

On the wonder you got fat. Ah no wonder you got fat.

30:25.52

Max Shank

I will continue eating like a buffet is like a dream.. The only thing is like how much fried chicken versus fried fish am I going to eat at this thing a buffet is like such a perverted Extravagance. Of Human dominance over the food chain like we just have this cornucopia of different animals and plants that you can eat. It is so extravagant I Fucking Love it.

30:52.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean look I'm not that much different if it's in the house I'm gonna fucking eat it like if there's chocolate in here if there's if there's a cake if there's anything that I'm oh.

30:59.63

Max Shank

The. I had cheesecake this morning with with coffee I had a slice of coffee ah cheesecake with a cup of mocha. Oh my Oh my God and.

31:11.62

mikebledsoe

Ah, my mouth is watering now.

31:18.52

Max Shank

It was so delicious and I was just thinking This is what balance really looks like.

31:24.14

mikebledsoe

The well for me I practice I don't have that kind of shit in my house I and and because I cause I practice because I'll eat it out I practice I practice my discipline when I'm shopping So I do my shopping online I try to shop when.

31:30.46

Max Shank

Well yeah.

31:41.13

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

31:44.14

mikebledsoe

I love shopping online for my food because it's not going to get here for 3 or 4 or 5 days like I'm on like a subscription thing and I I I have to have my order in by Tuesday so I write so it arrives on Saturday so I yeah.

31:48.59

Max Shank

You know this.

31:56.95

Max Shank

Ah, that's quite a lot of planning required. You must be from a cold climate.

32:02.30

mikebledsoe

I. Ah, well, ah, well, the company sets it up like that. So if I want to get this massive discount I get it's like 40% off the food because it's you know they're they're reduced the reducing Yeah food weight. Well it's those things they're they're pushing my buttons. Okay, our goal.

32:09.11

Max Shank

Moon.

32:18.10

Max Shank

Guaranteed.

32:24.90

mikebledsoe

This company's goal is to reduce food waste. Okay I like that they're going to take things that are in you know too much supply. Not enough demand and then they're going to package it and send it my door step before it goes bad, perfect and all really high quality organic food.

32:25.85

Max Shank

Love it.

32:33.50

Max Shank

Um, super um.

32:39.34

mikebledsoe

So it's pushing that button for me, it's like oh I want to you know help reduce food waste I'm a good person and then the and then it's it's all very high well I'm saving 40% off of stuff if I were to go to whole foods I'd spend twice as much as what I'm spending here.

32:53.68

Max Shank

So not only do you feel kind good but you feel smart good. Yeah oh yeah, superior Wow you're so you're you're saintly.

32:58.67

mikebledsoe

I feel superior and and good. Yeah yeah, superior and and smart. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, practically and then so so then.

33:11.40

Max Shank

You're practically feeding people.

33:18.24

mikebledsoe

I I really enjoy I didn't always I wasn't always like this but I I enjoy the routine of it as like oh I need to have my order in by I think it's Wednesday at noon I yeah, it's a ritual I got to you know Wednesday at noon and it pops up on my calendar. Oh time to put my misfit market order in and so.

33:28.50

Max Shank

It's like a ritual.

33:37.77

mikebledsoe

Ah, by the way everyone wants the code for that to shoot me a Dm and you'll save ten bucks after your next quarter. Ah I mean I've been trying to squeeze that ad in for like 3 shows. Yeah, so.

33:42.43

Max Shank

I Knew this was an infomercial for for groceries I knew it shoot better. Get paid.

33:55.21

mikebledsoe

The um, so yeah, the and 1 thing I noticed was I didn't order a bunch of bullshit every everyone someone because they do have some bullshit in there I could order some some snack food. Yeah and my impulsivity was greatly reduced knowing.

34:02.94

Max Shank

Um, it's less impulsive. Maybe.

34:13.96

mikebledsoe

I don't get this food until Saturday and I'm normally ordering the time of day that I'm ordering is usually after breakfast. So like I'm um I have energy my willpower is high I'm um my I'm fed so I'm not.

34:14.54

Max Shank

Right? I might not even want chocolates by then? no so you're fed. Wow.

34:30.31

mikebledsoe

Like the worst time you could go shoppings if you're hungry and stoned I mean what are you gonna buy at the grocery store when you're hungry and Stone. So I go in I'm I'm wide awake. Um I'm dialed in I'm fed I'm gonna make good choices. So Anyways, I have I don't remember how I got down that track. But I. I Hope it's helpful for somebody.

34:49.71

Max Shank

It's you know it's an environmental hack. That's what it is. We're we're talking about environment. We're talking about what kind of food makes it into the house because that's where the battle is That's the important battle is what gets past the front door.

34:52.59

mikebledsoe

Really is.

35:06.56

Max Shank

What gets in the house. So if you just have some good security at the gate you are going to have a much easier time and that reminds me of the most significant gate that requires security in your life which is your mouth.

35:06.87

mikebledsoe

That's true. That's true.

35:25.77

Max Shank

Both the things that you say and the things that you consume that that is that is where the ruin of many men really comes from is just weak security at the mouth.

35:28.27

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

35:38.41

mikebledsoe

True Dad True dad. Yeah, ah this makes me but so the concept of making poor decision making difficult or good decision making easy One of the things that I've done is.

35:52.28

Max Shank

Un.

35:57.30

mikebledsoe

I've invested in some crypto and for me to move crypto around or cash it out. It's ah it's a task I cannot without my iphone hit the app on my phone because most 99% of people holding crypto can just pull put in and pull out all willy- nily.

36:14.96

Max Shank

Does it make you more deliberate but less agile.

36:16.74

mikebledsoe

Whenever they feel like it. Absolutely yeah and for for long term investing why you don't need agility. You actually yeah, you want to sacrifice that for the purpose of yeah being deliberate. So.

36:30.33

Max Shank

Especially if you're a very inflammatory decision maker like oh my god it went down 5% I got to sell everything right.

36:36.10

mikebledsoe

Right? right? and um, like I don't even have I don't I can't even look at um, why don't have any apps on my phone to even track what's happening in the crypto markets I haven't looked at my crypto holdings in over a month

36:48.10

Max Shank

Ah.

36:54.50

mikebledsoe

And people are like oh it's going down I'm like okay because I can't see it. It doesn't bother me and the thing is is I'm not gonna I wouldn't cash out anyway. But if I was watching it day to day I'd be experiencing the emotional distress. It's an environmental thing like.

37:00.94

Max Shank

Well, you yeah you.

37:12.14

mikebledsoe

The the apps on your phone is part of your environment the feed the trough I'm always wanted to get like ah I wanted to create a comic of of and maybe there's one out there where the feed is going into a trough and.

37:13.80

Max Shank

Um, maybe like the news perhaps or the feed I mean the feed this the fire hose pointed at your face huh.

37:32.70

mikebledsoe

People are just feeding on it.

37:32.99

Max Shank

Oh I'm sure you could find that comic right now. Ah, but that's a big part of your environment that's chosen I think it's probably rare that a person looks at a screen for less than 2 hours a day. So.

37:36.48

mikebledsoe

Now And um.

37:52.77

Max Shank

that's that's 2 hours of mostly receiving messages from ah a carefully curated environment to make you feel a certain way and you know we're always, we're always talking about mind control essentially because even the actions that you take. You got to use your mind and then outsource it to your legs to get up and run or kick or jump or whatever so looking at the direct influences on your mind that make you think or feel a certain way is huge. You know looking at your. Investments every single day can be fun if you're one of those people or it can be a stressor looking at the news every day can be fun if you're one of those people or it can be a tremendous stressor to you and it's all how you ah.

38:44.77

mikebledsoe

Um I don't know where fun. The news could be but.

38:49.44

Max Shank

I Think some people absolutely get off on it. Um, otherwise they wouldn't keep watching right? Um, there's it's like fear pornography. You know I'm I'm like okay okay horror a horror flick.

38:54.78

mikebledsoe

I Think they're addicted to the I mean it's all dopamine. Yeah yeah, it's the same people who like horror flicks I could care less about horror flick.

39:08.96

Max Shank

By the way have you ever seen a horror movie that was rated pg 13 and really fucking scary have you ever seen something like that. Okay, so have I and it makes me wonder what's so goddamn offensive about a pair of titties I mean if I see.

39:15.47

mikebledsoe

I have.

39:27.71

Max Shank

Okay, so titties are rated R but I can watch a fucking demon rip some like young child in half and then like eat their ah like guts on screen on screen and and I can't see ah an Aryola I mean are this is like.

39:33.24

mikebledsoe

Oh yeah, well totally.

39:46.75

mikebledsoe

Dude dude dude. So ah I'm I'm I'm at my this is like five or six years ago I'm at my ex wife's parents house and the ah.

39:47.54

Max Shank

Whose idea is this? What's more damaging.

40:03.21

mikebledsoe

You know it's a holiday and they're watching movies you know Tv's on all day and then he's a baptist preacher and so anything that involves sex at all is just a big. No. No, we're watching this horror flick and people are just getting murdered left and right it's like the most violent thing ever. And then there's this sex scene that comes on just for a minute he changes the channel and he's like why do they gotta put that in there and I'm sitting there yeah ah I'm sitting there I'm going I like my my brain was just melting in that.

40:29.62

Max Shank

No way.

40:42.69

mikebledsoe

Spot I I couldn't even say anything I just remember looking at my ex mean like what? what's happening like this was okay. So so the the demonstration the demonstration of destruction.

40:42.97

Max Shank

Wow.

40:51.17

Max Shank

That is that is like a caricature. That's so funny to me. That's what we're talking about.

41:01.25

mikebledsoe

And death and murder and violence totally fine, but the act of love is is the thing we want to avoid that's ah it's very interesting.

41:14.31

Max Shank

Ah, yeah, that's that's really weird. But I mean that is pretty much on brand for for religion to be okay with ah killing a lot of folks but not necessarily having orgies on the altar.

41:30.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

41:33.52

Max Shank

In fact, the the folks who did orgies on the altar the ah the bigger religions were the first ones to to to stop them doing that right woa. Okay, so you're you're so you're I'm.

41:40.97

mikebledsoe

Yeah, get a so it is back on track.

41:53.40

Max Shank

Um, bringing this train back on the tracks because we were talking about how the screens are a part of your environment and it's really important to be honest with yourself about how big of an impact they are on your environment from a percentage standpoint because whatever you.

41:58.69

mikebledsoe

Um.

42:11.65

Max Shank

Ah, pay attention to that's essentially what your universe is like it's your perspective of what's going On. So Whether you're watching horror films or pornography or the news which is basically like fear pornography. It's like the stakes are high and we're going to terrify you. But somehow if you had never heard about this thing. It wouldn't have made a difference.. That's what's so shocking to me.

42:35.00

mikebledsoe

You know what are some of the things that ah ah, some of the conscious choices you've made about your environment that help you live the the life that you really want to be living enhance the lifestyle.

42:53.00

Max Shank

Oh my god I do have a television in my house and it's huge. Just like my genitals. That's how that's how you measure right? I got a giant truck I have a giant Tv I'm here at a party.

42:54.71

mikebledsoe

You have a television in your house. Where's it position.

43:06.17

mikebledsoe

Yeah, that's pretty much all you need.

43:12.30

Max Shank

Um, no my my environment is amazing I have an environment that makes it so easy to play and to exercise my brother came over with his niece or my niece his daughter and son and there's a park. Across the street from my house and and I have every toy I have balls and frisbees and sticks and ropes and games and things like that and it's It's really just the most fun place to be ever and you don't you don't um. You don't play because it's like going to burn calories or because you're going to get some Ah I don't know some ulterior Motive. You just do it because it's fun. Like for its for its own Sake. So My my house is very much.

44:05.51

mikebledsoe

There's There's no, there's no necessity necessity for progress to be made.

44:09.18

Max Shank

Yeah I mean it's fun to play better at something but playing is by far the best I mean winning is great but playing is the best and once you get to that point then you'll see life a lot differently because you also won't tolerate. Encounters that are not playful and fun like the more you hold a high standard for the types of interactions you want to be in conversations can be kept playful ah activities and sport can be kept playful. It's like. Do you really want to talk with someone who's getting angry and yelling at the time. No Do you really want to play tennis with someone who is getting angry and yelling at the time on the tennis core. It's like no, you don't want to tolerate those sorts of um energies really. So My environment physically is amazing. It's practically cheating I have a pool hot tub I got the whole like spa here at home I Got an outdoor area for exercising I got all the fun Toys Tennis courts across the street. Ah, friends who live close by which is maybe even more important and then the gym is a giant playground really total unfair advantage. Great community, Great friends Once again, um. You You do stuff just because it is fun to do not because you you will get other benefits. No question but ah, just doing stuff that is intrinsically fun with people that you care about is is a huge. Unfair Advantage. So Both the physical spaces that I most occupy and the people that I engage with are very playful, lighthearted funny and I don't have to like filter myself like I can say ah like titties. If I want to and they won't get offended or change the station. So ah, the environment is very open for ah experimentation, exploration and falling or failing which is a big part of learning to I mean I could talk about this literally all day Because. Ah, that's the easiest way to provide a good ah gym environment is to create a community and a space where falling and failing is safe to do both ego wise. Ah so more like metaphorically and then also physically.

46:57.42

Max Shank

Like do you have crash pads. Can you teach people How to fall can you? um you know explore your limits without having to be afraid both verbally and physically so I think um I think it's invaluable.

47:11.97

mikebledsoe

Beautiful, beautiful. Um, yeah, yeah, well I'll speak about my situation and but I I moved to Austin Texas because I was looking for a new environment to live in I left intonnita is before.

47:18.98

Max Shank

That's the easy way.

47:31.41

mikebledsoe

Covid hit I think sometimes when I talk to people in Austin I'm like oh you're one of those people that flood California when covid hit. It's like well I left before I was looking for something new before all that mess. Um, and I I wasn't getting I wasn't getting what I needed there for some reason even though.

47:39.50

Max Shank

Ah.

47:50.68

mikebledsoe

Where you live is basically heaven. Um.

47:53.46

Max Shank

Well, you had a lot of things that you were doing that you stopped doing there right? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but was that the time when you like switched businesses and relationships and locations pretty much all at the same time like you're like.

48:07.16

mikebledsoe

All the same time.

48:11.10

Max Shank

I Don't know what needs to change. So let's change all of it I get it.

48:13.18

mikebledsoe

Ah, pretty much pretty much I think I think um, nothing fit anymore and I ended up traveling around I chose Austin Texas because you know I didn't think I wanted to live near a city. But then I realized how much I love all the different amenities.

48:32.16

Max Shank

I am.

48:32.28

mikebledsoe

And what I realized also is community is the most important thing to me if I yeah my my girlfriend and I we we were I remember we were down in Columbia ah, not this past January about a year and a half ago and you know the world was being.

48:37.73

Max Shank

What.

48:51.93

mikebledsoe

Was fairly chaotic. We were in lockdowns half the time when we were there. We had the January sixth thing going on up here and I'm like man this is a very disappointing time I don't know what's going to happen next. It seems like this whole situation isn't getting better. It's only getting worse. Okay, if we were gonna get stuck in one because. We're basically stuck in 1 spot for four or five days at a time multiple times while we were there so I'm like all right if we get stuck somewhere for 5 years So let's just do the the thought experiment. Yeah, the thought experiment is you can't leave five mile radius for 5 years

49:21.47

Max Shank

5 years

49:29.75

mikebledsoe

Where do you live and and that really got us thinking in a whole new set of terms and the result ended up being Austin Texas because we also realized that if we're gonna be 5 years say we can't leave a five mile mile race in 5 years thing that matters the most is who we're surrounded by so we looked to south for and we looked at Austin because we we had a lot of friends moved to both and and so we ended up here in Austin and made my my ah end up buying a house and the location I bought my house is.

49:54.43

Max Shank

Oh yeah, oh.

50:07.31

mikebledsoe

Ah, 15 minutes from this place called Kuyja where I saw it in cold plunge two 3 4 days a week and I used to have a son and cold plunge in my house and I and I was planning on getting my own but I realized that when I go do it in community cause I train at my my house I don't. I don't really do a lot of training outside of my house I don't have like that I'm not getting my community somewhere else. Um I'm doing a little more now I'm getting back into it now that? Ah yeah, I'm getting some shit aligned.

50:29.18

Max Shank

You don't really do a lot of training period right? You don't really do a lot of training at all.

50:45.30

mikebledsoe

But um, the.

50:46.14

Max Shank

Ah I'm I'm a fine one to talk. It's sometimes really hard to get me to do like strength exercise.

50:52.78

mikebledsoe

Yeah I I probably lived heavy once a week and then I'd fuck around the rest of the time so it is it is now.

50:59.67

Max Shank

That's good. It's hard when you're already really strong like I hardly am going to get that much more benefit and I know that's not a popular take for a fitness guy but but.

51:12.17

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well the thing is when you got 20 years of fitness under your belt like my girlfriend's like you barely work out and how do you you got muscles and you're strong and I go I've been doing this for twenty years Twenty five years I've been lifting weights for 25 years I don't have to do a lot more.

51:23.48

Max Shank

Um, yeah, yeah, maintenance on a maintenance on a skyscraper is very different than building 1

51:31.95

mikebledsoe

Yes, so but I chose to to live somewhere that's driving distance. That's easy to go to this place because that's where I get my community fix. So I go hang out if I have a sun and cold plunge in my house I found that I was doing about once a week when I spend. Couple hundred bucks a month to be a member at this place I'm invested partly because I'm paying for it. But that's part of it. But also it's actually overall cheaper than having a sana and cold plunge I mean that sana I had was like $18000 and.

51:54.42

Max Shank

You're invested.

51:59.40

Max Shank

The people.

52:06.78

mikebledsoe

Cold plunges run like 3 to $5000 yeah and I have but.

52:08.10

Max Shank

Well, you can get those both a lot cheaper, but okay, yeah, that is our 18 k for a sauna that is extravagant I know what saunnas cost that's like Johnny Rockefeller sauna over here.

52:17.82

mikebledsoe

Ah, ah yeah, ah and you had some bells and whistles. Um, but I go and I for the community. So like environment wise.

52:28.88

Max Shank

Yeah.

52:35.44

mikebledsoe

Like there's certain things I put in place that cause me to interact with people because I know myself in that I'm a very social person but unless there's a reason to see somebody I'll stay at home. Yeah I'll stay at home I'll make my own food I'll.

52:47.66

Max Shank

Feels frivolous if there's no reason for it. Yeah.

52:53.33

mikebledsoe

Train in my gym I'll work at the house I'll read. It'll be getting dark outside and I realize that I haven't seen anybody in three days and that that's just not good for my mental health and or my girlfriend either because she'll get caught up in the same thing.

52:55.64

Max Shank

Totally.

53:01.37

Max Shank

Totally and it's hard to it's hard to recognize from the first person perspective that you're that you're lacking that because you get in your head right? You're in your head you're in your head you're in your head.

53:10.54

mikebledsoe

Totally totally.

53:19.17

Max Shank

That's why it's so valuable to have people and activities where you get out of your head and you just are ah enjoying being with the community or in communion in communication with ah other people. It's It's really big so we have the places and the peoples basically.

53:29.59

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah.

53:37.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

53:38.61

Max Shank

Of environment and also the the stuff there are some. There are some things that make it way way easier.

53:45.24

mikebledsoe

Yeah, or what? ah ah I put little like things in place I make little rules for myself or I'll make something like I said earlier difficult or easy and one of the things is I desire to work on my garden in the backyard. So I got a new house. And I want to have a garden. You know there's a bit of a garden already going from the previous owner. So I hired someone to mow my lawn but there they only mow the front I have to do the back and if I don't go back there and do something in the garden area at least once a week

54:05.50

Max Shank

The.

54:21.67

Max Shank

It'll get gnarly.

54:22.67

mikebledsoe

It'll start getting gnarly. So and I'm gonna look at it every fucking day every day I walk through my living room and I'm gonna look in my backyard and go man that shit's getting gnarly so it causes me and and when I do get out there i' finished work. You know 4 5 six p m I get out there and I start gardening I love it.

54:25.24

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

54:41.95

mikebledsoe

Got my shirt off out in the sun feels good like it's the best way to end the day and you know if I had no if I if I ah had if I hired if I if I told the people.

54:42.84

Max Shank

F. Not really optimizing your exercise though with that.

54:57.44

mikebledsoe

Cutting my grass cost me twenty more dollars for them to do my backyard too. You know from a mathematical perspective. You're like wow the amount of time you'd save but it wouldn't it wouldn't cause me to go take action in the garden. So little things like that. Ah.

54:59.83

Max Shank

Well worth it.

55:15.80

mikebledsoe

You can you can set up for yourself make make it a little inconvenient to do to not do something.

55:21.45

Max Shank

And I think the idea of making everyday things into rituals can be really healing for some people and if you're not if you're not rushing through the gardening if you're just doing it at a comfortable pace. And you're really with the task I think that can be really beneficial for you.

55:43.65

mikebledsoe

That I just I um I noticed I've become way more process oriented less results oriented when I look at the what I what I love about the garden is it would never be done. You can't finish that project.

55:52.28

Max Shank

Ah.

55:59.68

Max Shank

Yeah I mean can you ever ah that okay, so the idea of truly ever finishing a project because as soon as you finish 1 you think of things that you would do differently or want to change.

56:12.47

mikebledsoe

Totally. But if you were to build a cabinet right? or you build a dresser and then you put it in your room and it's complete project's done and a lot of people in a race to get it done or.

56:20.98

Max Shank

Yeah, the project's done but you might still feel some lingering thoughts. Yeah, that's it I think the the racing.

56:31.67

mikebledsoe

Brett I would love about the garden is because you know it you can't finish it. It's more about yeah I'll just be out here for an hour and I'll just do what I can do in an hour

56:35.17

Max Shank

Yeah, well, it's the difference I mean maintenance like that is very different than creation of something. Especially you know a living breathing thing like your yard versus. Let's say a cabinet. Which would require some maintenance depending on how it's built certain maintenance depending on how it's built but the garden is very different because there's no,, There's no finality to it because it's always growing right.

56:56.21

mikebledsoe

A.

57:07.38

mikebledsoe

No.

57:12.97

Max Shank

I think being ah in touch with dirt and grass and trees and water is really valuable and I don't have a specific study that I would like to cite to to prove that that is the case but I don't think it's too bold to say that ah Animals. Should touch the ground and the trees sometimes.

57:34.23

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, ah I when I go to bed night if I if I've spent time in my yard barefoot on the ground moving some shit around whatever it is if I do that between being in the dirt and then.

57:48.17

Max Shank

And.

57:53.42

mikebledsoe

Being present while the sun is going down my ability to go to to bed that night the mind is relaxed. The body is relaxed. You know that you can look at the studies on what happens with sunsets and hormones. Maybe you're staring at a computer screen.

57:55.11

Max Shank

And.

58:12.14

mikebledsoe

Or television screen when the sun goes on outside you pretty much missed this your body's missing the signal that it was time to go to bed and that's why it? yeah you got to stop working.

58:21.79

Max Shank

That requires good planning. Well I think that's maybe the fourth dimension of environment I'm just riffing here. But if you I always come really prepared.

58:33.40

mikebledsoe

I Thought this show was nothing but a big riff.

58:41.21

Max Shank

I Don't know what I don't know what you do I don't maybe the audience can tell that difference too. But no I don't know. Ah I think time is is environmental also because time is like a container and it goes back to what we were talking about with when you turn it on.

58:50.36

mikebledsoe

Move. Um, well, it's definitely a structure. So yeah, it is container.

58:59.38

Max Shank

And focus. Yeah, and I know for myself. Ah, and people I've coached and known if there's ah a timer counting down things seem to happen a lot faster. And if there's not a timer counting down with an endpoint things happen. However, slow or fast they go. There's just no telling what's gonna happen. But if you set out if you set the stage right? and you say this half hour in this space so this environment of space this environment of time I'm going to do x and then you promise yourself that you're going to stop when the timer is done that is a really good way to. Balance that on off switch so you can really be on instead of just being like half on all the time I have a tendency to always be thinking about this kind of stuff that you and I are discussing on Mondays. How to do a better job coaching people. Ah, mentally physically how to do a better job creating books and videos for people how to make the gym run more smoothly. all all that stuff so it's good to just have a notebook close by if you think of something naturally, but. There's also a big advantage to having these time containers I'm going to sit down here. I'm not going to do anything except this one task and when the timer's up I'm done and of course you got to be flexible with that. But I think.

01:00:46.93

mikebledsoe

That's um, that's pretty much what I use for work is I use a software called Mardut method and it's got a program my entire business into it and some tasks.

01:00:47.38

Max Shank

That That's a really valuable way to hack the environment.

01:00:58.26

Max Shank

Here.

01:01:02.28

mikebledsoe

Related to projects. Some are one off tasks and there are other things called chores chores are the ones that repeat on a certain frequency and the frequency is completely customizable but I end up like I knew that when I logged into my to work today that I had 12 tasks to complete. Some of those tasks take a minute or 2 some them some of them will take 2 to 3 hours um well a couple of them will take 2 to 3 hours um and Mondays ah along like Mondays and Tuesdays are long and then the the rest of the week kind of dwindles down and you know fucking off. But.

01:01:24.10

Max Shank

It's pretty cool.

01:01:39.91

mikebledsoe

The ah but I I hit the play button on the task and all the other tasks disappear and a timer starts on that task and so it it over time. It starts predicting how much.

01:01:40.54

Max Shank

Sounds optimized for productivity folks.

01:01:50.29

Max Shank

On that task. Cool.

01:01:58.99

mikebledsoe

How much work you have ahead of you that day. So I logged in this morning goes you have 7.1 hours of work ahead of you today. It's like oh interesting by Friday it'll say like you know an hour and a half or half an hour but the ah just want to give people.

01:02:13.70

Max Shank

If my to do list good god if my if my to do list said you're going to work for 7 hours today I think I would just shoot myself.

01:02:16.42

mikebledsoe

Um, ah give people a realistic view of how much I work I don't want to think I work myself to death.

01:02:28.56

mikebledsoe

It's a long day what you know it's funny is I was I was working I was working like four or five hours a day five days a week and I and I ended up stacking my schedule I actually enjoy just spending two days plowing

01:02:30.89

Max Shank

Ah, not actually that's a little too morbid. Yeah.

01:02:44.77

Max Shank

Oh yeah.

01:02:46.30

mikebledsoe

And then the third day kind of a midday thing and then Thursday Fridays chill but but hitting that play button and knowing that I'm being timed on the task keeps me on task because I I want an accurate recording of what's happening because.

01:02:54.14

Max Shank

Um, Ah, yeah. Ice and ah.

01:03:03.87

mikebledsoe

But the more accurate it becomes the ah the quicker you know things happen in my business. It is more honest, yeah in a while.

01:03:09.36

Max Shank

It's more honest, It's more honest too I started doing timestamps even in my notebook just writing I just put the the time in brackets of when I when I stopped writing and when I started writing and.

01:03:23.64

mikebledsoe

Wow I Only do the date I Only have the date I write my notes in order of when they came to the ideas came to me too.

01:03:26.78

Max Shank

Ah, because I'll what's that yeah I like to look at how long I was. That's a smart organizational tool. And then what I'll do after is I'll be like okay, stop at Eleven Thirty nine but then I'll maybe jot like a few bullets of what I want to continue writing about for next time. So I can come back? um.

01:03:53.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, nice.

01:04:00.46

Max Shank

I Think that's I think that's pretty good I think we covered a lot of important stuff. We didn't really riff too much on the specific differences between cultures and climates. But I think ah is pretty straightforward how that was fun.

01:04:09.58

mikebledsoe

Now we didn't get into I think people get it I think we used a couple examples and yeah, yeah, and I think we can appreciate. That's a big benefit of traveling are you and I have both traveled all over the world and.

01:04:18.88

Max Shank

Yeah.

01:04:23.38

Max Shank

Big time.

01:04:27.49

mikebledsoe

You get to see the value in all these different cultures and and get to see that everybody is at the core the same but also seeing all the differences and the beauty and that and.

01:04:36.56

Max Shank

M.

01:04:43.37

mikebledsoe

You know one place couldn't exist with the existence of the other like like the re yeah the reason the Canadians can have cheap health care is because the Americans are paying for all of it. You know and no, it's just.

01:04:47.16

Max Shank

Man Absolutely and.

01:04:56.66

Max Shank

Ah, there is a lot of stuff like that I think I think ultimately compassion is about perspective and compassion is sort of a superpower because the further you extend it the less resentful you become. Less ah prideful and superior and fearful you become and compassion ah is all about perspective. Can you can you understand just how different that other person may be you don't know what their environment's like you don't know what their parents were like you don't Know. What kind of stories they used to believe or currently believe and I think environment is a big part of that you know because then you can also have compassion for yourself and you can set up your environment as if you were a retarded chimp. That's what I do basically. I Just imagine that I am a full or half retarded chimp at my core and I'm looking for pleasure and I'm looking to go away from Pain. So if I set my telephone in the drawer out of sight out of mind if I put the cheesecake out of sight out of mind.

01:06:02.59

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um.

01:06:13.48

Max Shank

It's going to be a lot easier to avoid those things and if I'm doing it from a place of compassion then I'm a little more understanding of the decisions I've made in the past and I recognize that you know you're not going to do everything perfectly and neither is everybody else I think that's.

01:06:30.22

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah I think the the traveling and seeing where everyone else where a lot of other people came from is is key in having compassion but also just going through a process of being compassionate for yourself because I think that anyone who has really dug deep and found.

01:06:30.97

Max Shank

Ah, big part of this too.

01:06:35.45

Max Shank

More more more big.

01:06:49.83

mikebledsoe

Where they they've judged themselves in you know we tend to judge our our previous self based on what we know now which if we can get out of that and really have compassion for what created the the being that we are right now I've found that.

01:06:51.38

Max Shank

Um, oh yeah.

01:07:07.57

mikebledsoe

That that's created the most amount of compassion for others because I go man I've been through some shit and you know what it's okay, I'm doing a great job and I'm gonna continue to do better and this and that and then the the more compassion I had for myself I look at other people and go who the fuck knows. What? what? they've been through like if if if I had to Deal. You know my life is pretty good and if I had to go through a lot of crazy stuff that that I needed to forgive myself for these other people they need to as Well. So I don't I don't need to come down on anybody.

01:07:41.50

Max Shank

Well, they're animals exactly you me them were animals within an environment and we're just trying to survive and some of us get past just trying to survive and we go ooh how about thriving.

01:07:45.40

mikebledsoe

They're they're doing it to themselves.

01:07:57.59

mikebledsoe

Now.

01:07:59.85

Max Shank

And we try to be like a little more of you know mating possibilities a little more legacy type of opportunities right? But ah, most most people are just trying to survive in the environment using what they know and.

01:08:14.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:08:19.39

Max Shank

Really easy to be compassionate for people if you recognize that.

01:08:21.70

mikebledsoe

You know you know what's ah, let's wrap this bad boy up what's where can people find you.

01:08:31.99

Max Shank

Http://maxshank.com you can find me and couple spots left for the the partner agility and strength system course June Eleventh ah maxshank dot Com slash pass first one ever. Ah I don't want to I don't want to exaggerate how good it is but it is by far better than any other personal training system in the history of time. So if you're interested.

01:08:59.89

mikebledsoe

I I would ah I haven't seen it but I believe you I believe you he's probably right? He's right about a lot of things folks. Ah for the.

01:09:06.76

Max Shank

Um, yeah. Save that clip.

01:09:14.87

mikebledsoe

For the for the coaches out there. I've got a virtual summit coming up at the end of June June Twenty third through twenty fifth if you go to shop I think if you go to shop http://dotthestrongcoach.com you'll you'll find it there. Um. We'll we'll definitely be taking signups in a week or so be on the lookout for it. It's a name your own price. You can pay anything between a dollar and two hundred and ninety seven dollars I just asked that you pay something that has you committed to the process three day event where I'm bringing in some great speakers that are gonna share how they built their coaching businesses. So.

01:09:43.81

Max Shank

Wow.

01:09:51.70

mikebledsoe

Have some heavy hitters there. You'll definitely want to make it and we're recording it. So even if you can't make it live super easy. My brother love you.

01:09:57.59

Max Shank

Sweet Love you brother take care. Thanks everybody.

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00:00.00

mikebledsoe

Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're gonna be talking about how to make better decisions using using vision values and boundaries and I'll tell you what we've already gotten into some interesting conversation before we fired up the mics and that's why we decided we need to just get this show started right now because we were getting. Often to some interesting weeds because we'll probably talk about genetics as well. How you doing max.

00:25.52

Max Shank

I'm doing good man I'm excited to talk about this I think that the more wealth you get the more time you can spend and the less overall decisions. You must make. Ah, investing is a good example of that where you have a really high amount of Leverage. So Every decision is very significant and the precision. Ah and accuracy of those decisions is amplified because a small error one way or the other can really. Increase the cost and reduce the benefit. So all the way from deciding what to pull out of the fridge to eat and deciding which company to invest to and which partner to Choose. It's the most important thing ever and a lot of things influence your decision making.

01:15.34

mikebledsoe

Yeah, one of the things that brought this up for me is I I have this whole. Ah I have a lot of momentum in my life to travel and there's a lot of events and ah. I I started to notice that I desire to attend less and less things and spend more time at home and really honing in on what's really important and what's not important in getting into these conversations with my girlfriend and really noticing you know. You know if you have no vision and you're trying to make decisions then you're really doomed to the momentum of the past you're not gonna create anything new Consciously. So well, there's 2 factors here. You're you're gonna repeat the past and. And the patterns of the past. But also you're way more susceptible to other people's visions. So if somebody else is intentionally creating a vision and you're being impacted by that and you've created no vision whatsoever for yourself then you you probably won't even notice. That you they you may wonder how did I get to this place in my life. Well you it was a mixture of repeating your your historical patterns and the historical patterns of others and the intentional vision of others as well.

02:45.94

Max Shank

It doesn't sound good. That's for sure. ah ah I totally relate on the traveling thing as you know I traveled like an absolute maniac for many years

02:51.43

mikebledsoe

Ah, don't be a sucker.

03:04.96

Max Shank

I think I was like ah like a street cred Conquistador I would go to different cities around the world and I would teach the Holy Gospel of whatever I knew at the time and pretend like it was this. Massive Authority and people responded favorably to that which was so weird I can't I can't explain what that shift was like because I rose up so fast from being a personal trainer. Going to attend certifications to being only a couple years older and teaching those certifications and I was just trying to grab as much alphaness and street cred and want people to love Me. Maybe even Adoration I think.

03:58.82

mikebledsoe

I got there I think.

04:00.43

Max Shank

And right and that was what I saw as the best model the people who were the best in health and fitness industry were the ones who wrote the books and flew around the world teaching seminars and. I've always been one to ah hit the eject button really fast as soon as the appropriate catalyst is there so I went from 20 to 30 trips a year flying and teaching all over to 0 within one weekend. Just chose I was like wow I don't think I actually like this I just want people to like me more than other people. How greedy does that sound I want people to like me way more than other people. So I'm going to keep sacrificing whatever i. Actually want to do and might have fun with and might be ah sustainable or I can you know keep doing this thing where I I just hope people will love me if I do it good enough.

05:11.55

mikebledsoe

Yeah, oh what's your relationship to compliments.

05:16.64

Max Shank

Ah I would have to get one first but ah I would imagine if someone did give me a compliment I would deflect it I would deflect it humorously.

05:27.62

mikebledsoe

Max you're you're so you not. So would you say maybe you you started getting compliments and you you didn't like it.

05:38.27

Max Shank

Um I started feeling exposed ah like people would just it was so weird, almost everywhere I go people would recognize me like on the street or in a store and that was a.

05:42.20

mikebledsoe

Ah, by right? You're getting more attention and you felt exposed.

05:53.95

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

05:58.50

Max Shank

Was a total mind fuck and I'm I'm like in the big scheme of things compared to Bill Murray or something like that I'm nobody but just being recognized when you think you're a stranger in a crowd it. It was a total mind fuck I mean I didn't.

06:16.23

mikebledsoe

You're not yes.

06:17.10

Max Shank

It wasn't like harmful that part but I had to fortunately I had the luxury to reevaluate how I wanted to live my life and I realized I I didn't want to be hustling around on planes and in and out of hotels and so.

06:33.57

mikebledsoe

So yeah, what? what? ah was can you think of what what created that because usually there's sometime of real a birthday.

06:36.18

Max Shank

The boundary came up really fast and I've.

06:43.49

Max Shank

Is Birth Birth is birthday I do some good introspection around birthdays and I I went to the Bahamas with a good friend of mine and it was no I didn't work at all. And it was that was rare and I just hung out on the beach and I ran around and played games and went on water slides I was like wow this is this is really fun and it's not because ah you know later I'll get more if I do a good job.

07:19.33

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:22.32

Max Shank

It was just fun. Yeah, so.

07:28.69

Max Shank

You know what catalyst means something that causes or accelerates a reaction without changing and I thought that was really I just looked this up the other day.

07:32.83

mikebledsoe

No no.

07:42.88

mikebledsoe

Would that be like ah an enzyme that that would would cause the change but maintains its own attributes. Interesting.

07:46.54

Max Shank

Exactly. Yeah, and I had never known that before and it was such a cool thing because I realized that's what I would Ah, that's how I would like to do things ah from ah. I would say from a teaching perspective but that's not really the full story because actually one of the best things about teaching is that you do ah become changed quite a lot from the different variety of students that you interact with yeah.

08:20.16

mikebledsoe

But I've learned more teaching never did from sitting in a room. Yeah.

08:25.63

Max Shank

So it so it doesn't really make sense that way but I definitely think the concept of a catalyst is really cool. It's like you don't have to give some of yourself and diminish yourself so that you can create that reaction again.

08:27.99

mikebledsoe

I think I think being a.

08:35.23

mikebledsoe

Totally, there's ah, there's a conversation we have in my strong coach curriculum early on which is creating distinctions so you have you have definitions of words but you also have distinctions and that means that. And the reason we have those is because in in our society people tend to collapse the definitions of 2 words because they don't actually know the definitions and they don't create a distinction between the two and we talk about service and sacrifice and how that's a very common collapse distinction in the.

08:59.46

Max Shank

Right.

09:09.83

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

09:13.33

mikebledsoe

Entrepreneurial world. Um, it's it's ah if you look at the different cat The you know the the Us caste system. You know we got our different classes of people and so the the blue collar class which is what.

09:29.31

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

09:31.88

mikebledsoe

But I came from is the service and sacrifice are almost sine synonymous right? and they ah they get those words are interchanged. You know part of that's part of that's a.

09:37.77

Max Shank

And.

09:51.30

mikebledsoe

Probably due to christianity and you know Jesus Christ as as the servant that made the greatest sacrifice I imagine that's put together. Also, if also if.

09:53.61

Max Shank

Yeah.

10:02.52

Max Shank

It's a more compelling story. It's a more compelling So story if you sacrifice yourself. Um I don't think it's a healthy attitude. But I think a lot of people are under the impression that if you are wounded in some way in the service of others. Then you get a little bit more street cred and it it does make a more compelling story.

10:23.56

mikebledsoe

There's there's it's it's noble and you should be proud and that's yeah, so it this what I notice after working you know digging around at a bunch of people's minds.

10:27.93

Max Shank

A martyr.

10:39.52

mikebledsoe

And I've worked with people who ah, most of the people I've worked with come from a blue collar background or their parents were in some way and a handful of people who grew up in homes where you know, ah the relationship to money was very different. The the way they lived. Their lives were very different things were.

10:57.89

Max Shank

A.

10:57.93

mikebledsoe

Little easier and they don't have that collapse distinction. They they go Oh this is service and the sacrifice these are different things I've I've taught people this before and in a room and some people are like yeah duh. It's like oh tell me about how you grew up. Okay, oh someone who's.

11:08.19

Max Shank

Man.

11:14.54

Max Shank

No.

11:17.36

mikebledsoe

Who goes Oh my God that was a huge exercise for me. It's like oh how did you grow up interesting here and so also if you're if you're somebody who's in power. So say you're you're running a country or something like that if you can convince the lower class people that. Must sacrifice in order to be of service and if you're not being of service then you're a leech on society and you don't feel good about yourself If You're not sacrificing So It's a really good story to tell in order to get people to enlist in the military.. It's a really good story to tell.

11:42.93

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

11:55.87

mikebledsoe

People to sign up for all sorts of jobs where you may lose your life or a limb or is incredibly demanding of your time and energy. And yeah, it's the more I've dug into this the more. Disgusting. It seems in some ways. Um, if it's being used intentionally now if it's if this is just like the unintentional use of language over time and so on and so Forth. Then you know there's you know there's there's intentional use of it.

12:15.73

Max Shank

It is.

12:24.80

Max Shank

Um.

12:32.90

mikebledsoe

Which would be considered Evil There's the the ignorance. Maybe they're just being ignorant is ignorant use of it. Which means that you know ignorance and laziness go hand in hand because Ignorance is ah the activity of ignoring. So The the. Information is present but you choose to ignore it because it's uncomfortable and lazy people tend to avoid discomfort and then and then you yeah I mean well well, there's.

12:52.93

Max Shank

Ah.

13:03.87

Max Shank

Doesn't everybody devoid Avoid discomfort though I mean I don't want people to have a complex if they feel lazy Lazy is the natural state lazy and ignorant are the instinctual states which I think we can talk about more later.

13:10.96

mikebledsoe

Well, there's well, there's well, there's I agree. Totally totally totally. So then you have so you have intentional. You have ignorant and then and then you have just nation.

13:20.95

Max Shank

Yeah.

13:28.65

mikebledsoe

Which means that you just have not been exposed to the information at all and so I like that create distinctions between nations and or nasance and and ignorance because ignorance is you've been presented with the information and you've ignored it. So.

13:31.73

Max Shank

Right.

13:44.37

Max Shank

Um, that's so interesting I bet a lot of people think of ignorant as they don't know which is different than ignore and like you're ignoring as an active choice I I think that's ah, really interesting. You bring that up.

13:46.62

mikebledsoe

Of. Yeah, yeah, or it. Yeah. Exactly.

14:04.37

Max Shank

I bet because I used to use ignorant that way too like oh I was ignorant like I didn't know but it's more that I knew and ignored it that is a huge shift in that word. Huge.

14:08.77

mikebledsoe

Well here's the other thing is ah huge huge difference and a lot of people are ignoring things that they'll claim their nation to like oh I just didn't know it's like no that that was sitting there. You know there was.

14:21.25

Max Shank

Got it I didn't know. Yeah.

14:28.20

mikebledsoe

So like it's like walking into a room and there's ah, there's an elephant in the corner and you're for some reason you just don't notice it. It's like no it. It's been sitting there. Yeah talking about the elephant in the room right? that some people are surprised. Yeah, people are surprised by it.

14:37.37

Max Shank

Right? And how do you choose? What information is significant because you have to yeah so you might be ignorant with the best of intentions right? thinking? Oh that's not important right? that's.

14:48.50

mikebledsoe

For instance, the last the last two years with the best of intentions.

14:56.37

Max Shank

Where you and I ah like we come across that word evil and so my guess is there are lots of people in the world. Ah, who are real busybodies and they think that if they can just kill 1000000000 they'll save the other 6000000000 or some some kind of fraction.

14:59.19

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

15:15.12

Max Shank

Like that I don't know look that seems and here's the thing here's that no, we'll just kill. Ah, one of them like an unceremonious random one because if you truly believe if you have the power and you truly believe.

15:15.48

mikebledsoe

Will we'll kill the 6 bad ones or the one bat about 1000000000 bad people.

15:34.82

Max Shank

That the world is totally fucked unless you do something you're going to feel a lot of pain all day every day until you resolve that problem and if you have in your mind only a couple choices you'll say do I Let all.

15:52.67

mikebledsoe

And I got I got multiple phone I got multiple phone calls. Let me let me pause this I got a potential emergency.

15:53.29

Max Shank

The whole planet die or do I kill 1000000000 people

16:00.50

Max Shank

Okay, all right? So basically we have this kind of a situation. We have people who are thinking that they must save the world because they really believe the world or all of humanity itself will be destroyed. They have the power to enact the changes that they think will make that difference and they are faced with a choice of let's say kill 1000000000 to save the other six I can understand why they would a do it and b. Not think themselves. Evil.

16:39.82

mikebledsoe

Yeah, this ah have you ever watched cloud atlas with Tom Hanks oh man 1 of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah, it's a long one. It's like three and half hours it it didn't get a lot of attention when it came out because.

16:45.75

Max Shank

No oh really, that's cool. Ah.

16:59.90

mikebledsoe

It's deeply philosophical and you have to pay attention to what's going on for a long period of time so you have to have an attention span which means that you know almost nobody saw it and ah yeah. Yeah there's just a part in the movie where it's it's all about like people controlling other groups of people and oppressing other people and it was highlighting and it's and it's many different timelines. It's like something that was happening five hundred years ago and something else that was happening.

17:24.78

Max Shank

That's human culture in a nutshell.

17:33.65

Max Shank

The.

17:36.50

mikebledsoe

You know something was happening in the 70 s something was happening currently. There's some and then it's the it's 300 years in the future and there's these different timelines that are all over like the the energy and the patterns were overlapping and basically there was a ah.

17:41.55

Max Shank

Ah.

17:55.28

mikebledsoe

Period of time where they were looking at when there were slaves there was you know white people were enslaving black people and all that and you know there's a a part in the movie where you know it's like hey we should probably stop this and then but leading up to that The guys that believed him is like oh it's our it's our divine purpose. You know.

18:13.30

Max Shank

Oh yeah.

18:14.81

mikebledsoe

God has told us to go and conquer these people and the same thing happened when you know people come to America and you know it's like we're gonna take this land. It's like yeah, there's there's some brown people here. But you know we we could probably just take this land. You know there's they're paid for the greater. Good.

18:21.57

Max Shank

Yeah.

18:30.10

Max Shank

For the greater good by the grace of God for the greater good by the grace of God here we are give us your stuff God God Thanks you for your donation. It's like would you pit.

18:34.57

mikebledsoe

For the greater. Good. Yeah yeah, now now it's the greater good by the grace of science. You know it's the same thing. Yeah, yeah, and so.

18:49.73

Max Shank

Ah, Mercenaries against Missionaries That's the one I think of the the missionaries will be biting the heads off biting the faces off of the mercenaries to sacrifice to the blood god.

18:53.91

mikebledsoe

Ah.

19:04.83

Max Shank

All the mercenaries are high-tailing it out of there because the pay is just not good enough.

19:10.47

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, so you you're talking about. Yeah these people are bought in and I think that a lot of people like if you look at the media. For instance I Think most of these quote unquote journalists are are completely bought in that.

19:11.52

Max Shank

So you get these true believers. Any price.

19:28.41

mikebledsoe

What they're doing is for the greater good I saw a clip was I saw a clip of ah you know everyone's art pissed off about not everyone just just people on the left are pissed off about Elon Musk offering to buy Twitter did you hear about this. Are you following it all.

19:28.74

Max Shank

Absolutely.

19:37.50

Max Shank

Ah.

19:43.67

Max Shank

Um, I'm actually still really upset about the George Floyd thing I haven't moved on since that 1 news point I haven't really made up my mind about it yet. So I can't move on to the any new any news points.

19:54.13

mikebledsoe

Oh you're stuck here have you watched any Tv since then. Okay, so so Elon Musk ah he purchases 9% of Twitter you know it's a public.

20:00.62

Max Shank

No no I'm just still trying to work out this mystery.

20:09.15

Max Shank

I did hear about it by the way I was just making a joke then he offers to buy the whole thing.

20:12.93

mikebledsoe

Okay, well fill people in he he purchases 9% of Twitter and well then and then ah you know if he owns 15 % 15% he can you know actually make some demands like he his voice must be hurt. So they offer him a board position like oh why don't you join the board and if you're on the board you can make suggestions but you can't make demands and but you can't own more than fifteen fourteen point nine five of the stocks and you go and he goes.

20:44.13

Max Shank

Right? As a board member.

20:49.13

mikebledsoe

I don't want to be a board member then and then he turns around offers $43000000000 for the entire company which is more than the value of the company that no one else is gonna purchase it for that amount and.

20:52.74

Max Shank

Incredible.

20:58.77

Max Shank

It it. It has to be Ah, it's really interesting situation because he um rightly understands that that is the the lead horse. On the winner take all of small instant public messages.

21:15.62

mikebledsoe

Yes, yeah, it's it's the it's you know I on I'm on. Yeah um.

21:20.42

Max Shank

They banned the president they they took they took free speech away from the president. That's supposed to be everybody gets free speech but because they became the platform. A new platform above the old platform of pen and paper and people talking to each other. They put a blanket of this new platform over everything and they're like this is where we talk now this is where the point gets across really quickly. Ah, it's not that different than.

21:47.13

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

21:55.80

Max Shank

These guys trying to buy newspapers. It's just a similar play to control the flow of information. It's basic. It's basic war out there and that's nature. Yeah conflict baby.

22:03.91

mikebledsoe

Yeah, oh it's definitely war. Yeah so ah, people a lot of people I was reading something this morning. It's pretty interesting is like it's like you know, yeah, a lot of people. There's primarily the left for. The political left people were saying they were they were defending Twitter as a private privately owned company that can do whatever it wants so censorship is okay, Elon Musk wants to buy it then they start freaking out that he's going to let everyone say whatever they want and.

22:29.73

Max Shank

Big.

22:39.41

mikebledsoe

That something that the government needs to step in and do something about Elon Musk buying Twitter it's like they want their cake and eat it too. They can't there's there's ah there's a foundational lack of fund of of a principle because it's it's whatever, whatever serves their.

22:41.18

Max Shank

The.

22:52.21

Max Shank

Um, it's pure Lizard man. Yeah.

22:59.28

mikebledsoe

Whatever they want in the moment they'll leverage. Whatever it takes to get there. The means justify the ends and.

23:03.21

Max Shank

Their identity is the tribe So whatever helps the tribe justifies the means basically it doesn't matter what it is as long as it's for the good of our tribe and we're good and those other guys way over there. They're bad. So if you censor the bad guys.

23:09.72

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

23:22.48

Max Shank

It's good. But if you censor nobody. It's bad by that very twisted logic.

23:24.17

mikebledsoe

Yeah, because yeah, very interesting. Yeah, so for the greater good. Um, you know I I do find it interesting that ah people really I mean I believe in Elon must having. Good intentions over somebody in government because he is actually contributing to society by his his behavior instead of just trying to take and redistribute. Um, so yeah, same.

23:44.10

Max Shank

Yeah.

23:53.00

Max Shank

On principle I like pie Makers more than pie slicers. Yeah, what do you? What do you bring into the table I think it's ah the difference between offers and orders. That's where the line is.

24:01.52

mikebledsoe

So How how did I. A a.

24:11.13

Max Shank

Line between an offer and an order where an order means do this or you are going to be punished with the stick or a fine or whatever and an offer is do this come on. You know you want to do this, do it. It'll be really good for you and.

24:25.53

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

24:28.80

Max Shank

You can get as persuasive as you want to get but there's no, there's no threat of direct violence or attack on your person with an offer. That's why I like that.

24:38.31

mikebledsoe

Yeah I saw this mean this morning I reposted on my Instagram it's got ah it's got 4 different things and it says what makes sex not rape consent choice consent.

24:49.12

Max Shank

Choice. Yeah yeah.

24:55.77

mikebledsoe

What makes a job not slavery consent. What makes a transaction not robbery consent. What makes taxation not theft magical fairy dust.

24:58.57

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

25:04.20

Max Shank

Um, yep.

25:11.94

Max Shank

Ah, and I knew we were going there.

25:15.31

mikebledsoe

Well today's tax day. So ah I always kept I have to post so taxing every every what's the eighteenth. But ah, ah, they made today the tax day since Friday was the fifteenth.

25:17.71

Max Shank

Yeah, well people just think that they're so clever.

25:28.57

Max Shank

It takes a special kind of person to think that they know best not only for themselves. But for everybody else and it takes an even more special kind of person to be unwilling to try to sell people on the idea that they have and instead force it upon them violently.

25:45.52

mikebledsoe

For your own good. You're greater. Well I think I think it it's It's a slippery. It's slippery because people I think that's a much easier argument to make is if I say Max I Know what's good for you.

25:46.50

Max Shank

But it's like it's like you don't believe in the product man.

26:04.55

mikebledsoe

That's very arguable. It's like I don't know if you know my entire situation. You don't you know you don't know about this.

26:07.40

Max Shank

Yeah, there are definitely situations where you might know better for me than me, no question. It's just we won't know when that is we just won't know when that is.

26:14.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, some situations? Yeah, but but then what's good for the greater good is an extrapolation of that that I know what's good for you and then it becomes homogenized too. It's like. I know it's good for most of the people. So we're gonna do this and it's like yeah, it's 1 per 1 person has you know people give 1 person that power and it's it's really insane.

26:47.67

Max Shank

It's exactly about that control because the whole purpose of groups in the first place is chaos reduction or at least reducing the negative impact of chaos on the collective. So whether it's ah, a group of ah chimps or a nation state of some kind the the concept or the idea of it in the first place is to reduce the chaos. So homogenization is the logical. Ah. Endpoint of that where everybody's exactly the same. Ah totally fungible, interchangeable. We have. We have one billion we have 1000000000 persons they do this and this and this and they do this at this time and this at this time and this at this time.

27:32.36

mikebledsoe

You're just a number folks.

27:41.15

Max Shank

And we always know where exactly everybody is just like ah a dairy farm with a bunch of chipped animals. So.

27:45.10

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and I think up until this point the Homogenation um Homogenation homogenization. Thank you? Ah, it has been the most efficient way of creating order out of chaos or disorder.

27:54.21

Max Shank

Homogenization.

28:01.56

Max Shank

By definition. It is by definition. Yeah.

28:04.78

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um, but then if if we look at the Homogen is it is a nation you have to tell me this work ah of chickens right? They've got ah I learned about this this past week and I was talking to some farmers and that's what I do.

28:11.25

Max Shank

Um, homogenization. Yeah. Course you are on ah on the weekend to just me and some farmers hanging out.

28:21.89

mikebledsoe

That's what I do at festivals I Hang out with farmers chicken out chicken it eating some of the meat Egg Grew Um, and you know they were talking about the the common chicken you find at the Gar Grot grocery store is the.

28:35.23

Max Shank

A.

28:38.64

mikebledsoe

The meat has gotten to the point where you're not actually digesting and getting the protein out of like a typical chicken breast and yeah, so there's they've they basically bread for this one particular chicken that can barely even walk right? because the chickens are bred for.

28:44.00

Max Shank

What.

28:54.31

Max Shank

But yeah, um.

28:57.91

mikebledsoe

Weight and I don't I'd learned this to they now are getting these chickens up to full weight for slaughter and 6 to eight weeks after they hatch so now. Basically these chickens you know.

29:08.50

Max Shank

Wow.

29:14.99

mikebledsoe

They stand up real well against feeding them soy and corn. They they get fat. Really they put on weight really fast but the meat is of really low quality and ah and.

29:18.89

Max Shank

Ah.

29:26.51

Max Shank

Like the Amino acid profile or something you mean.

29:30.76

mikebledsoe

Yeah I know if it's they it was something about how the meat grows it almost turns into fiber versus protein like it should be protein but it's like a protein.

29:37.30

Max Shank

Okay, that's that's weird. They're changing protein to a carb somehow.

29:42.48

mikebledsoe

No, it's not a car but they're saying like it's it's it's not digestible. It's too fibrous like that. Yeah, the meat is too fibrous. So and the other thing is there are 2 I'm sure someone can let me know they they may know more details about this.

29:49.28

Max Shank

Indigestible protein weird.

30:03.12

mikebledsoe

They're down to like 2 types of chicken that are being grown so you get 1 type of aviary flu comes in and just wipes them all out now we're out of chicken. So like you know them being single pain of.

30:15.78

Max Shank

It goes back to the single point of failure thing we were talking about last week

30:21.16

mikebledsoe

So if you homogenize too much. It only takes one disaster and then and then you and then it's ultimate chaos which is you know devastation? Yeah that that could but unless I mean and.

30:25.50

Max Shank

Yeah, unless there's redundancy built into that central system right? but but it's like diversification right? The more you diversify the more um cushion you have.

30:40.28

mikebledsoe

But it's not good.

30:44.77

Max Shank

But the less of ah the less you diversify the further you can go in a single direction back to the comparative advantage example.

30:48.71

mikebledsoe

Yeah, absolutely yeah, so just it seems like to Mobgenize is is a good thing but there's also potential downfalls and so I mean we we already talked about decentralization versus centralization and and how things are moving and how.

31:02.22

Max Shank

Yeah.

31:08.39

mikebledsoe

Things in the future may not need to be so homogenized in order for to create order. We're talking about order and yeah through more complex technology I think I think we need less of that.

31:22.90

Max Shank

Well, when it comes to decision making having ah rules of the game is really important if you want to make a decision in a sport or a game of some kind the rules need to be consistent and they need to be understood by everybody. For the game to work So That's part of what makes conversation so challenging for people who have been raised any time in the current Era. There's a lot of contention and there's not a lot of collaboration. There's not a lot of ability to have an expansive and collaborative argument rather than a combative argument. You know you and I argue the validity of different points looking for a truth. Or a better representative of the truth rather than having a combative argument where I'm trying to prove that a is right? and you're trying to prove prove that B is right and we already talked about how people will go to any means necessary to support their point. Even wishing the censorship or possibly murder of other people if they don't believe the the truth the same truth that they believe so being able to have the rules of the game. The rules of discourse the rules of. The locale clear and simple enough to be understood and effectively used by all is a prerequisite for us to be able to play the game. Ah consistently and joyfully.

33:06.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think there's there's 1 thing we agree on that allows for differing opinions to come in and we're able to work through it that is we we don't we're not confused about what's right? And what's wrong like we we have an agreement on that.

33:22.90

Max Shank

Well oh no I think they're I.

33:26.35

mikebledsoe

And so because you were saying your time Out. You know I think there's the right way to do or the wrong way. But I I think that we both agree that something that is right is something that doesn't impede on somebody else's life or Liberty and if any anything that isn't. Trampling on somebody else's ability to live their life and the way they wish is totally right? That's right and anything that is trampling on someone else's life and Liberty is wrong and so everything else? Well, That's that's trampling over someone's life and Liberty but that's wrong.

33:49.25

Max Shank

Right.

33:54.89

Max Shank

Um, unless they murder 10 people right? right? right.

34:04.11

mikebledsoe

So so I think that we you and I both have a pretty clear understanding about what is right and wrong and anything that's not wrong is right? and so the ah and not only is it right? but it is a right right? I Think that's where rights come from.

34:19.86

Max Shank

Right? right.

34:23.85

mikebledsoe

So if I'm not doing something wrong. That means I'm not stealing from you I'm not taking your property I'm not enslaving you and I'm not killing you then anything I do outside of that is a right and we both understand that that's where we have agreement and I think because of that.

34:30.73

Max Shank

Yeah. True.

34:42.44

mikebledsoe

We understand that everything outside of that is an opinion and I think a lot of people they confuse the morality of right and wrong with their opinions and I think you and I have both been able to be.

34:53.48

Max Shank

Oh.

35:00.66

mikebledsoe

Clearly have that in our mind that yeah this is what I'm holding right now isn't about right and wrong. It's just about it's an opinion or if it is right or wrong then it's ah, there's a very solid foundation in which that conversation is existing on so it's very easy to work through.

35:08.80

Max Shank

Ah.

35:16.90

Max Shank

The question is really do the ends justify the means is it is the juice worth the squeeze is the benefit greater than the cost and that's where it gets way harder to tell because you you could make a wrong choice. Ah, for yourself and not know that you're making it and I think that happens all the time so we need to find a way to harmonize the instinct and the intellect because I know I'd come back to this a lot. But. Usually when people are angry or sad or over emotional. It's It's some version of afraid and they're in that lizard Brain Mode. So they might react instinctively they might. Yell or fight or run or cry or something like that when they feel afraid but only because they're in Lizard Mode. So I think a lot of folks don't even give themselves a chance myself included at times in the past I I Remember. Aftermath of making choices that way but in the moment you're like somewhat unaware of the fact that you're making these choices that in normal Circumstances. You would intellectually know this is probably not going to give me a better result.

36:48.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

36:51.10

Max Shank

So finding a way to harmonize the intellect and the instinct and use the intellect to channel the instinctive drives rather than sporadic explosions of instinct.

37:05.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the I like the idea of channeling instinct because that when I think about Instinct I Think about um Instinct is something that you can't actually put words to. Because it's It's something that wells up inside of your body. It's preverbal these are and we look at animals they're operating we say they're operating on Instinct because there is no language for you know and that's not necessarily always True. We can listen to these wells and dolphins and.

37:25.60

Max Shank

Oh.

37:39.50

Max Shank

It's like programmed desire basically because Hunger is a form of desire sex is a form of desire safety is a form of desire. So there's you know pain is a synonym for all those things but there's a genetic pre-programmed in all of us.

37:40.99

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

37:56.92

Max Shank

Common ground where there's no question about the origin of these things This is something that is shared by pretty much all living creatures and so how do you take that Raw instinct and.

38:05.70

mikebledsoe

Um.

38:14.65

Max Shank

Channel it with greater precision into a place that you want being able to project further into the future can be really a frightening experience for people I think.

38:24.88

mikebledsoe

Well yeah, so so the instinct instinct coming from the body from you know the the brain stem essentially not coming from the prefrontal cortex where the intellectual mind lives and where language is formed.

38:41.51

Max Shank

My instinct is in my root Chakra Mine's way lower.

38:43.19

mikebledsoe

Is the moment. It's way lower. Yeah and we'll say from your your throat shock or down is it will is that instinct. Yeah yeah.

38:54.24

Max Shank

His instinct Huh That's a good way to put it.

39:01.11

mikebledsoe

Once you you get the intellect in your third eye. So that's that's that's actually I haven't used those words to describe it when I think about all the energy that exists below My third eye is there you if you try to put language to it. You're gonna fail. So the.

39:01.92

Max Shank

Yeah.

39:20.55

mikebledsoe

The the mind the intellect must translate the instinct. So the instinct is to do this or that but the mind is what tells the body that there is time there was a yesterday and there's a tomorrow. And there's a separation between Mike and max. It's the mind that yeah, it's the mind that creates this so now what you have the instinct is is so primal and without words you know we're just animals and so when we when these.

39:39.92

Max Shank

The scorekeeper.

39:53.22

Max Shank

Yeah.

39:57.42

mikebledsoe

Words come online and we have these incredibly strong instincts. This energy is flowing and if we don't know how to use our words if our if our vocabulary is limited.

40:03.71

Max Shank

Oh.

40:12.50

mikebledsoe

If We have no practice in changing how we think by changing the language in which we think in and not mean English versus Spanish I'm saying using expanding the vocabulary using different words understanding. Actually what you're saying and do you understand. And all the words that you you use yourself most people I think are running around using words that they're confused about and because they're confused about it. They're confusing people around them. So There's a whole culture of people who don't really know what they're talking about. And I think that's the majority of Americans in the least. Um I Do it too. So.

40:51.44

Max Shank

I Do it all the time I would say unless I'm very specific and deliberate and I want to make a very distinct point I let the conversation flow. Normally and I use all kinds of words and metaphors where I don't have a crystal clear definition of what I'm saying like with the word ignorant I had never thought about ignorant as being an active ignore ignoring I always thought about it as just a ah passive not knowing. And that's monumentally different.

41:31.74

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and the the take this further is the the mind is having to translate to the body to the to the instinct and even train the instinct to a bit because. The Instinct wants Instant gratification. It wants what it wants right now and the mind has to step in and go whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa If We get what we want right now we won't have We won't be able to have it tomorrow and we won't be able to have it.

41:51.87

Max Shank

Ah, right.

42:05.84

Max Shank

Right? So it's like putting a leash. It's like putting a leash on the instinct and the shorter and shorter the leash the less it's running wild but sometimes it can be pretty fun to let your instincts run wild. Especially if you can.

42:10.44

mikebledsoe

You got it? True Yeah, totally to.

42:22.56

Max Shank

Really turn it off because I think that is equal and opposite damaging to have your entire life tightly controlled by your intellect and you'll feel like the weight of the future is unrelenting.

42:32.30

mikebledsoe

Absolutely.

42:39.50

mikebledsoe

Absolutely yeah and I think there are ah really healthy ways of letting that Instinct run wild. There's you can create containers for that. Um I've had the experience of just going full animal. Ah.

42:51.10

Max Shank

O.

42:58.17

mikebledsoe

Down in Columbia on this really big piece of property where I drink a little bit of yaha which is this incredibly powerful Psychedelic medicine and then I basically stripped down Buckna and run around the Sat sun roaring in the and the jungle like that's about. But.

43:15.88

Max Shank

Everybody else got a clear picture of that I Sure do.

43:16.61

mikebledsoe

I Also know that I'm supposed to say yeah.

43:21.59

mikebledsoe

Um, so that so the ah so there was a clear boundary I knew that I was not supposed to leave the property but within that you know I was.

43:34.28

Max Shank

M.

43:39.42

mikebledsoe

Able to completely let loose and you know turn into a Jaguar and do all that shit. So ah I've had to that's like my peak instinct tapping into instinct experience that I've had and then reintegrating that's interesting. But it's the integration back into the mind and the mind now has to translate what the instinct is asking for into language which is an incredibly difficult task and so my opinion is.

44:12.42

Max Shank

M.

44:15.90

mikebledsoe

You would. You'll never be able to perfectly articulate to yourself or to somebody else the experience of Instinct and by yeah, but you can get more accurate over time.

44:26.92

Max Shank

It's like trying to walk a mile in someone else's shoes you you can't do it.

44:34.45

mikebledsoe

You can expand your vocabulary. You can have a longer conversation with someone you can get somebody closer to it and you can get yourself closer to it but to get to the absolute truth of what it is. It's not possible. But I think it's a worthy task to to do as good as as possible at doing that. And so because you're in my instincts are probably very much the same I mean instincts amongst species of animals are very Similar. We know that dogs do these dog things and it's out of Instinct Dear do these deer things out of Instinct fish so on and so forth. But what makes us different. I Think why why humans are live such diverse lifestyles and there's such diverse. Um expressions of the instinct is because it's each person is interpreting their instinct through this this mind and. The mind is you know trying to control the the instinct and direct it and all this stuff. Um, so.

45:37.62

Max Shank

The prediction protection machine comes in a lot of different ah models right? Still your parents teachers peers media culture. Whatever are like okay here's your intellectual filter and then you go from being this.

45:42.38

mikebledsoe

Exactly yeah.

45:55.94

Max Shank

Little creature that doesn't have any language at all that just grabs stuff and puts things in its mouth and you know rolls around and now suddenly you're talking and you're saying this is good and this is bad and so now your third eye is the scorekeeper and the rule maker. Based on whatever you've been taught.

46:16.37

mikebledsoe

yeah yeah yeah I don't know if that's a I know I said third eye don't know if it's the exact or your third eye is ah to me is is when all the energy comes into a single point and then you can direct you can direct your attention. So I don't see a third eye as a thinker.

46:28.87

Max Shank

Um, um, ah that's that's a little different. Ok so you're so your intellect your intellect then.

46:36.32

mikebledsoe

Yeah, it's a little different. Yeah, but you got us around a shak room. So I was trying to make sense of it but I wanted to correct that for myself. Yeah, which is I think that's different so but I think that's that's 1 thing that that I think that separates.

46:46.80

Max Shank

Yeah, it's interesting to think about projection.

46:54.91

mikebledsoe

People from one another is. It's that intellectual mind because I can never explain you my experience then then I know that max will never understand me completely and I can tell you a story.

46:58.30

Max Shank

M.

47:06.81

Max Shank

Yeah, you can tell me a story though and the better the better you are at communicating that story and the better I am at clarifying. Ah my interpretation with questions. The.

47:24.21

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

47:24.22

Max Shank

Clearer The communication will be and it's the same thing for the stories that we tell ourselves not just other people right? Um, it's so easy to have different milestones.

47:32.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

47:42.12

Max Shank

In your story that are told in a way that makes you into a victor or a victim for example and I know it's not always binary. But I think everybody listening including you and I has. Recognized people who at every point in their life was a tragedy the way they retell the story at least and you've heard other people in life where everything was a victory. It was ah it was always coming up jackpot for this person and then you're with them and you're like this doesn't.

48:06.39

mikebledsoe

Hey.

48:19.75

Max Shank

Actually seem like the same story I was being told and so it's very interesting and I wonder how genetic predisposition is like that um like being gay is genetic right? no.

48:21.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

48:37.95

mikebledsoe

I I think it's I think genetic? What? ah.

48:39.42

Max Shank

Yeah, you oh god here we go Mike Mike Bled so thinks being gay as a choice send your hate mail to Mike Underscore Blesco Aty at Instagram.

48:54.37

mikebledsoe

Um, ah.

48:55.71

Max Shank

I Hope you're ready for your inbox to be destroyed you hateful Homophobic bastard.

49:03.25

mikebledsoe

Ah, oh man.

49:05.53

Max Shank

Ah, you are practically a nazi you're practically hitler I can't believe you said that I'm so sorry for Mike everybody ah dear god.

49:18.93

mikebledsoe

Oh man, you know I I don't know Well we talk about this before the show is like the semantics matter because because we've talked about this before the the.

49:21.11

Max Shank

Ah, so let's so.

49:29.56

Max Shank

Um, what is and what isn't what is and what isn't.

49:37.58

mikebledsoe

I was listening to a story from somebody the other day that said you know that our the Dna sequence of a human and the sea creature is more alike than you know a human in ah in a chimpanzee and that immediately clued me into everyone's mind went to like oh my god. We're more like sea creatures than we thought and my mind immediately goes to. We're studying the wrong shit like these scientists are they they've missed the boat on something because they're really focused on this Dna thing when obviously that's not what's causing the expression of of ah of our reality.

50:14.65

Max Shank

Like child soldier spelling Gee champion. Yeah.

50:15.40

mikebledsoe

And so you know that's why I pause with the genetics and there's there's way more variables contributing to how a person is being than genetics or training or you know the the nature versus nurture is like ah a very It's a very cool topic to. Talk about, but it's nature and nurture are the same thing and the end of the day.

50:38.19

Max Shank

Good God I've never heard anything so hateful before.

50:49.28

Max Shank

Um, it's interesting to think and let's just take because it's ah like gayness is a funny topic to me. Ah, and for the record. Ah most people I don't like. And whether they're gay or straight has nothing to do with it. But let's suppose that gayness has some element of genetics and some element of Nurture. So some nature and some nurture does that mean that there is a chance that like you and I were like. 3 uncomfortable locker room situations away from turning gay that's pretty interesting right? Or for the food thing like you have a predisposition to um, fearful mindset.

51:30.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, I've um.

51:44.98

Max Shank

And you have a predisposition to rapid weight gain. But then you layer on some trauma on top of it and boom you have food is the medicine.

51:52.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, um, yeah I'd be curious to see stats on you know, ah when it comes to homosexuality like people who identify really heavily based on sexual preference. I Think anyone who identifies heavily on sexual preference alone or identifies heavily based on a preference of any kind. Not even sexual is very.. It's a very dangerous place to put yourself because now you get into.

52:12.99

Max Shank

Right.

52:18.27

Max Shank

Right.

52:27.59

mikebledsoe

You become very easy to control through political means. So yeah.

52:30.87

Max Shank

It goes back to our talk about the tribe right? If it's for the greater good of the tribe we'll fuck over anybody.

52:37.72

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so you end up with really? ah you know you end up, you know if if you if you identify as being a part of this group or as being this thing. Then you got to vote this Way. You got to behave this Way. You can't hang out with this people. You got to hate this person or that you have to hate this other group and so I get I think that just anything that that starts creating identity becomes very dangerous which people who do identify heavily with a group get very angry.

53:07.97

Max Shank

I got.

53:14.60

mikebledsoe

When I say these types of things I gotta watch myself but I know that I'm safe here on on the Monday morning show and probably not. Ah.

53:20.20

Max Shank

I Don't know after all that bigotry earlier I don't think there's a chance I got a little jingle to help us remember this um and a Noun is easily taken down but you cannot disturb a verb.

53:27.80

mikebledsoe

Okay.

53:37.00

mikebledsoe

Ah, ah.

53:38.48

Max Shank

So That's that's what I think about um, you know you become the task your your ego is irrelevant the whole the whole magic is in knowing that the here and now is all there is and when you're. Planning You got to think of that like a hunt where you're like really focusing your attention and you're you're actively doing something but you're not also consumed with some identity that is fraught with all kinds of. Inconsistencies and crying egos desire to be loved in a very specific Way. So It's much better to become the action and you'll be better off doing actions that make you feel in Tune or in Harmony with the Universe. Which is your perspective and relationship with your surroundings. Um then trying to be trying to like be happy like you're not going to get Happiness. You can be in a flow State. You can be in peace and presence in the present moment. But if you're. If you're stuck in Noun based identities rather than becoming the task and doing it's going to be really hard.

54:59.97

mikebledsoe

Yeah I like the Noun versus the verb conversation overall because if you think about I've had this conversation when I was working with and lifted which is you are a verb if you consider yourself to be a Noun then you're. A Noun is static. It doesn't Move. It's It's not very fluid. It just is and it makes it very hard to progress when you identify as a Noun, but if you if your identity is a verb then a verb is doing. It is Moving. It is progressing. There is. It's always changing which is way more in line with reality because the universe is moving in a very fluid nature. There's very few solid things and.

55:45.46

Max Shank

O.

55:55.79

mikebledsoe

There's some solid principles in which everything is is revolving around for sure but going back to the the gay conversation is in my life I've experienced sexually a very.. There's been times where I was very narrow in my preferences and there's been times where my my preferences expanded tremendously and then I've made adjustments now the band of my preferences is probably not as big as a lot of other people's um. And but I don't necessarily like I I found what I like and but I don't like and I don't necessarily think that that yeah had I identified as just a straight man 100% I'll never Touched another guy in any way I wouldn't have gotten to where I am now and which is very um, um, I'm much more happier and I know that I've experienced all these things and I know what I like and what I don't like and and that's okay, but I think most people. Even people who well maybe even especially people who identify as straight and they'll never try anything and they identify with that Noun you know they may be they may be missing out on some some interactions even with. Say you're a guy you may be missing out on some interactions with women in some interesting situations If you're terrified to see another man naked in a sexual environment.

57:33.38

Max Shank

Wow! So you're saying that gayness is a choice and you would not be the man you are today without doing some slightly gay things.

57:42.46

mikebledsoe

Um, Ah what I'm saying is ah I have I have watched my own mind change enough and without intention and with intention ah to to realize that. I I could tiptoe right into just about anything if I I public up. Um my mind to it. So Someone's intentional. So It's not intentional, but you know I think it's I think people just do whatever the fuck they want at the end of the day. Yeah.

58:16.54

Max Shank

That's great. So ah, that's really what it comes down to it comes down to consent I think the verb Noun thing is great way to ah clarify.

58:19.57

mikebledsoe

As long as you've got consent I don't give a fuck.

58:34.49

Max Shank

The the breaking the back of the ego that is required to make the best decisions possible and take the verb running or to run versus I'm a runner so I am running versus I am a runner.

58:39.59

mikebledsoe

And.

58:50.96

mikebledsoe

Here.

58:53.67

Max Shank

And granted, if you identify strongly with an activity. You will probably be better at it and if you strongly identify with that action and then that action goes Away. You will feel a great loss. Also.

59:12.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, or if you're not the best at it. It may that that also creates a situation of comparative analysis. It's like oh I'm I'm a runner so is max. Oh he's better at it than me like he can run faster further.

59:20.94

Max Shank

Competitiveness Yeah, right, It's true faster further easier. It means you're worse means you're worse than me at at running.

59:29.34

mikebledsoe

You know what's that mean about me. Yeah, what's that mean about me I'm I'm not as I'm not ah I'm not worthy. Yeah, so the.

59:37.89

Max Shank

Ah, oh man sounds so sad. Even even joking about it. But that's the inner monologue that most of us have for such a variety of reasons.

59:43.39

mikebledsoe

Totally that does and this one I'm a big fan of this conversation because ah there are so many things people are dealing with say being unhealthily competitive. And they're just trying to be less competitive when when we could be looking at something that's a much deeper conversation which is are you are you stuck in a noun-based identity or are you or are you moving with a verb based identity and if your identity is more fluid because ah being. Ah, associating more with being a verb creates identity fluidity which is which is which means that I can show up the best version of myself in every situation. No matter what because I'm not not over identifying with any 1 thing. You know when I'm in my office and I'm talking to you I'm a podcaster or I'm podcasting but when I leave here and I go hang on my girlfriend. You know I'm ah a romantic partner and all these things I think that there was a period of time where I started saying. Oh I'm like these 20 different identities. All these things that I do make up who I am and then one day I go this is just ridiculous. Why don't I just be like like just be completely fluid with the identity and I'll do what's.

01:01:02.73

Max Shank

Then.

01:01:15.31

mikebledsoe

Necessary for me the way the situation is demanding and me thinking about what label I want to put on myself so that I can try to seek some type of external validation. So I can feel good enough. That's just ridiculous.

01:01:27.46

Max Shank

And yet and yet that's what we mostly do I think entrepreneur is a very fluid identity in general because people are by definition willing to try a lot of different pursuits so you will attract that sort of personality.

01:01:39.25

mikebledsoe

It's broad.

01:01:46.27

Max Shank

Into entrepreneurship that is much more fluid.

01:01:48.21

mikebledsoe

No yeah, yeah, being on being an entrepreneur means so many things and such a broad term and I do I do like that when it it makes it easy to explain what I do I Tell you you know like I'm an entrepreneur a podcast coach. Whatever That's just me.

01:01:55.84

Max Shank

Yeah. Right? But then but then nobody knows if you're good right away? Yeah, right.

01:02:08.20

mikebledsoe

Just me relaying you know to other people so they they know how to talk to me. That's the other thing is I tell people when they ask me what I do or who I am I Um I don't tell the same and I don't tell different people the same thing if um, if I'm hanging out with a bunch of coaches I tell them you know I'm a coach.

01:02:16.94

Max Shank

Yeah. Ah.

01:02:27.35

mikebledsoe

Coming out somewhere most of the time I pull out the more recently and I've decided to start pulling out the podcaster card more because no matter who they are. They may want to come listen if I tell them that I coach coaches if they're not a coach. They don't give a fuck.

01:02:35.32

Max Shank

Ah.

01:02:43.36

Max Shank

Um, maybe I'll start doing that I mean I don't know if that's I guess technically true I've done enough to be considered a podcaster. But if you're.

01:02:46.92

mikebledsoe

So yeah.

01:02:52.38

mikebledsoe

Well also if you tell people you're a coach then they start bringing their problems to you and the same thing happens with Ashley he's like oh you're a therapist you know I've been I've been dealing. It's like I get the fuck away from me. Ah.

01:03:02.37

Max Shank

Right? Very compassionate of you. Ah, no totally. It's about setting those boundaries but I think what's cool about saying I'm a podcaster is you are in a very subtle way saying my words are important my words are.

01:03:17.96

mikebledsoe

Oh really? Ah yeah, but anyone's got a podcast these days I feel to me being a podcaster's not a big deal deal at all because there's it's almost no barrier to entry.

01:03:21.37

Max Shank

My words are important. Yeah, of course it says that yeah I have a I have a radio show My my words are important. It's It's really interesting. It's not. It's not cool. No.

01:03:37.26

mikebledsoe

All you need is a phone and and a 10 Joe Regan yeah yeah well of course. Well it's there's going back to podcasting is decentralized media. You know.

01:03:40.32

Max Shank

But who has the biggest audience in the world people listening to podcaster. Yeah, that's wild.

01:03:54.81

Max Shank

Ah.

01:03:55.91

mikebledsoe

He's got the biggest audience in the world for sure. But then there's 4000000 shows that are you know, almost no one listens to to those but but you can do it and anyone can do it in the period entry is super low.

01:04:02.66

Max Shank

Nobody listens to yeah yeah. Which is pretty cool.

01:04:14.40

mikebledsoe

And that's going to keep happening in every industry every industry that the barrier to entry is going to just keep getting lower and lower and lower unless the government layers on regulation then the barrier to entry gets high which is what they're trying. That's why Facebook and Twitter ah tried to. They've been very.

01:04:24.70

Max Shank

Um.

01:04:33.50

mikebledsoe

Um, encouraging of government regulations and people go oh there like it's a noble thing that Facebook wants there to be regulation where they're the only motherfuckers that can afford the lawyers to wait through the bureaucracy they're there. They're squeezing out their competition every time there's a new regulation like Facebook wants it.

01:04:49.19

Max Shank

Well, that's how lobbying works. Yeah paide. No it shows it shows the power of communication though I mean.

01:04:52.74

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah I don't think we actually got to what we were originally talking to. But I think it's okay I'm I'm enjoying the content.

01:05:06.46

Max Shank

Refer to lawyers as word Warriors and they can they can manipulate they can manipulate look if you're a good lawyer. You can manipulate almost any situation to sound totally different than what physically happened.

01:05:07.86

mikebledsoe

I Love it. It's true.

01:05:22.63

mikebledsoe

Totally.

01:05:25.26

Max Shank

And it's storytelling. It comes it all comes full circle in the beginning. There was the word and whatever I say that's what's true and the more confident you are about that like what I say is good and what they say is bad. A lot of people just are wanting to believe that because also there are going to be more people who want to follow than people who want to lead So you're going to naturally have these groups right? It's like ah. Some people want to be whipped and some people want to do the whipping and I don't know what the percentage is on that and my guess that it varies significantly by Gender. Ah so it's very I Just mean in general.

01:06:03.84

mikebledsoe

And.

01:06:15.37

mikebledsoe

To I like bdsm situations.

01:06:21.73

Max Shank

Like yes also in that sort of a situation. Oh I was going to say ladies but are you going to have a different answer. They're more receiving and attractive.

01:06:22.75

mikebledsoe

Which gender. Do you think likes be whipmore.

01:06:31.89

mikebledsoe

I Find that the more dominant and day to day day to day.

01:06:40.68

Max Shank

That's what I mean so you oh I see what you're saying so they're ah they want to assume a different role to decompress from being an a tractor of force rather than a transmitter of force.

01:06:49.84

mikebledsoe

Yes, yeah, it can feel very powerful in a different way. So like a lot of times you create a container where there's ah where you can play a new role and.

01:06:57.64

Max Shank

Interesting.

01:07:05.30

Max Shank

Ah.

01:07:07.75

mikebledsoe

And maybe someone who's normally on the more of a receiver gets to be someone who's delivering and it's ah it's a really fun experience and the same with Richard Branson is one of these. He's got a couple dominrix with them most of the time.

01:07:12.98

Max Shank

Right.

01:07:22.66

Max Shank

Loves to get whipped. Seriously, he's got a few dominatrixes with him all the time you heard it here first.

01:07:24.56

mikebledsoe

And he's a very powerful guy. He's the one giving orders all day. Yeah, still about all the time that that that's ah, maybe an over generalization. But ah my my my friends who have spent time with him have said that they're present. Um, so.

01:07:39.70

Max Shank

Wow.

01:07:44.11

mikebledsoe

The and I don't know if that's public information but I'll give a fuck because Richard Richard Branson is you know he's old. So.

01:07:46.68

Max Shank

It is now. A Monday morning original you heard it here for breaking news folks.

01:07:57.51

mikebledsoe

I think I think the guy's really great in some respects but anyone who came out and wanted mandates or pushing are the people to get vaccinated Richard Branson comes out and gives me some fucking medical advice. He can shove up his ass. So totally.

01:08:11.38

Max Shank

He thought he was doing the right thing Mike he was doing it for your own good. He thought he was doing good and yeah, yeah.

01:08:17.13

mikebledsoe

totally totally there there's a handful of people I looked up to before this whole debacle Schwarzenegger is another one you ever hear that screw your freedom clip. Yeah, the guy that came here from Austria and became.

01:08:30.24

Max Shank

Yeah I get I get sent ah a few things like that. Yeah, it's it. Well, it's like ah don't don't worship false idols you know or or that phrase never meet your heroes because then they'll just disappoint The fuck out of you.

01:08:35.20

mikebledsoe

And experience wilder success.

01:08:40.51

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:49.67

Max Shank

I think ah Richard Branson is actually the perfect ah way to bring this back full circle because reading that guy's book ah almost gave me stomach ulcers.

01:08:56.77

mikebledsoe

Um.

01:09:05.31

mikebledsoe

E.

01:09:07.89

Max Shank

In terms of the way that he makes decisions because every chapter was a different variation of and then I bet it all on black and then I mortgaged the house and I bet it all on red and then I sold my music company to buy.

01:09:19.52

mikebledsoe

Right? right.

01:09:27.18

Max Shank

Ah, fucking jet engine and then I rolled the dice I mean this guy was just a fucking lucky animal just a lucky animal and all of the steps of the story were like. Bankrupt not bankrupt but up and down all around and look what is the result now. He's exactly where he is which some people would say is really good. We have no idea what that guy's life is like except for your hot tip on the. Ah, live in dominatrixes but that can work that that that could work that could work right? his his way of just being ah a bowl in a China Shop it seemed like.

01:10:03.12

mikebledsoe

I live in. Anyways, they're they're present. But yeah.

01:10:15.77

mikebledsoe

Why you know you only got to hit once or twice you only got it investing is not gambling because in gambling you're gonna you're gonna come in and start over the next day and investing.

01:10:16.45

Max Shank

On to the next thing on to the next thing onto the next thing on to the next thing It's true.

01:10:26.78

Max Shank

Um, kind of is m.

01:10:35.43

mikebledsoe

You hit once and you never have to work again. You may may win big at the casino. But you're you're gonna be back in the casino.

01:10:41.48

Max Shank

Um, interesting. Yeah I almost think of them as ah, just 2 versions of a similar thing because once you hit a jackpot on one business you're going to feel the itch to do another one probably.

01:10:49.80

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:10:55.37

mikebledsoe

Yeah, but you can if you're smart about it. You'll take a portion of it and diversify and things that are more stable. Yeah.

01:11:06.42

Max Shank

That's not the Branson way. That's what I like to do I like to take some of my money off the table because you know I don't want to give all the money back that I won I want to take some off. He just let it ride the whole time. How much money do I have.

01:11:14.27

mikebledsoe

Now now now. Are are how how would how would you like to wrap up this show. What's the how I don't know I just hear comment thread.

01:11:23.80

Max Shank

Bet it all bet it. It is impossible to wrap up this show I'm still thinking about all of the people who are going to send you angry messages that you said being gay. Is a choice that's incredible. Can we make that the title of the show being gay as a choice by Mike Blitz how um

01:11:42.89

mikebledsoe

Ah, you know what? I know how I I I Know how people's minds were go but I never said that go back and listen to the actual conversation. Ah, Max knows if he says it enough people will believe it repetition. Yeah, absolutely.

01:12:05.37

Max Shank

It's that's true with almost everything right now is it also true that you think it can be cured.

01:12:15.39

Max Shank

I Don't know if you provide a service or anything like that. Ah.

01:12:16.63

mikebledsoe

Ah, oh man I've ah I'm aware of some services like that I think it's a very interesting thing that exists in the world. So that's all of another show.

01:12:35.42

Max Shank

So how do we make good decisions Mike Vision values no that was how you start that was the very first sentence you said in the that was it the first sentence you said then.

01:12:35.49

mikebledsoe

That's all another show.

01:12:42.30

mikebledsoe

We we talk about vision values boundaries. That's how we started. Um, that's where I thought that's where I wanted to take it and then we got into a flow.

01:12:55.23

Max Shank

There was a little. There's a little sign marker at the very beginning sentence one and then we just took a hard u-turn in a completely different direction. We didn't I don't even remember what the third thing is now I knew was vision values in something else. Boundaries there you go maybe we'll do that next week.

01:13:08.61

mikebledsoe

Boundaries. Yeah, maybe next week we'll see we have to name the show though. So we have to come up with what the hell we talked about. Ah yeah, any any summaries since. I remember what we said.

01:13:22.35

Max Shank

I Think the concept of not getting hyper attached to an identity and a Noun ah like a fixed state versus a dynamic action and being a verb instead just trying to become the task. Really Good. We talked a little bit about communication I think that myself included we all talk too damn much and if you focus on doing things that are intrinsically enjoyable that you want to do just for the sake of doing. Then you are in the present moment and the ego is irrelevant. There. So then you aren't going to worry so much about you know how all these other ah stimuli affect you all these news stories and all this fear mongering because I think it's good to Remember. It's basically always been. Like this where a small group are trying to completely terrify a big group into falling in line.

01:14:29.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, pretty much very accurate I like what you said I'm not going to I'm not going to add anything I think we had a good conversation. Ah, you can follow me on Instagram at Mike Underscore bloodso and keep paying attention to this channel I've got a lot more. Episodes posting of interviews that I am doing some other folks and max and I are going to continue to put Monday morning up every monday.

01:14:57.98

Max Shank

Sweet. You can find me at http://mashank.com or at mashank and I think there are a few spots available for the partner agility and strength system certification I believe that is June eleventh and there's a big discount if you sign up before the end of April so ah, that's it. Thanks Mike Love you man.

01:15:26.23

mikebledsoe

Excellent! Thanks Max! Love you.