“The thing we love to make today is other makers. We’ve had a lovely and amazing career, and we are continuing to do fun and wonderful things every day. But it’s an imperative, and I actually feel that it’s beholden on us to try and introduce as many people as possible, specifically children, into the love of making and creating because it is slipping out of our fingers.”
— Richard Taylor
“What is art about? It is more than just drawing pictures and making stories — it is finding truth.”
— Greg Broadmore
Richard Taylor is the co-founder and creative lead at Wētā Workshop, which he runs with his wife and co-founder Tania Rodger. Wētā Workshop is a concept design studio and manufacturing facility that services the world’s creative and entertainment industries. Their practical and special effects have helped define the visual identities of some of the most recognizable franchises in film and television, including The Lord of the Rings, Planet of the Apes, Superman, Mad Max, Thor, M3gan, and Love, Death, and Robots.
Greg Broadmore is an artist and writer who has been part of the team at Wētā Workshop for more than 20 years. His design and special-effects credits include District 9, King Kong, Godzilla, The Adventures of Tintin, and Avatar, and he is the creator of the satirical, retro-sci-fi world of Dr. Grordbort’s. He is currently working on the graphic novel series One Path, set in a brutal prehistoric world where dinosaurs and cavewomen are locked in a grim battle for supremacy.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Richard Taylor:Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube
Connect with Greg Broadmore:Website | Newsletter | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram
Richard Taylor’s Four Tenets
Love of oneself.Love of what you do.Love of who you do it with.Love of who you do it for.(Unofficial bonus tenet) Don’t be a dickhead.Institutions, Companies, and Places
Wētā Workshop: Special effects and design company founded by Richard Taylor and Tania Rodger.Wētā Caves: Retail stores associated with Wētā Workshop.Wellington, New Zealand: Where Wētā was founded and is headquartered.Sichuan Earthquake Relief Fund: Fund to support earthquake victims.Gibson Group: Production company, Public Eye.Procreate: Australian art app company.Nintendo: Video game company, creator of the DS.Colors!: The DS art app created by Jens Andersson.Auckland, New Zealand: Where Weta Unleashed! is based.Mad Cave Studios: Publisher of Greg Broadmore’s One Path.Magic Leap: Augmented reality company, collaborated with Weta Workshop on games.Photoshop: Adobe’s classic raster graphics editor.Dungeons & Dragons: The fantasy tabletop role-playing game by which all others are measured.Magic: The Gathering: The world’s premier trading card game.National Geographic: A global non-profit organization committed to exploring, illuminating, and protecting the wonder of our world.Movies and Entertainment Media
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the RingThe Lord of the Rings: The Two TowersThe Lord of the Rings: The Return of the KingRise of the Planet of the ApesDawn of the Planet of the ApesWar for the Planet of the ApesKingdom of the Planet of the ApesSupermanMad Max: Fury RoadThor: Love and ThunderM3GANLove Death + RobotsKing KongGodzilla x Kong: The New EmpireThe Adventures of TintinAvatar: The Way of WaterThunderbirds Are GoGremlins 2Harry and the HendersonsThe Seventh Voyage of SinbadThe Golden Voyage of SinbadSinbad and the Eye of the TigerJason and the ArgonautsPublic EyeSpitting ImageHeavenly CreaturesEvangelionMeet the FeeblesHercules: The Legendary JourneysXena: Warrior PrincessAmerican BeautyStar WarsFlash Gordon (Serials)Buck Rogers (Serials)District 9Alive in JoburgHaloSin CityAlita: Battle AngelThe Manchurian CandidateBooks and Recommended Reading
The Rent Collection Courtyard: Sculptures of Oppression and Revolt by Foreign Languages PressOne Path Book One by Greg Broadmore, Andy Lanning, and Nick BoshierBooks by David DeutschDungeons & Dragons Worlds & Realms: Adventures from Greyhawk to Faerûn and Beyond by Adam Lee2000 ADJudge DreddSláine: The Horned GodA.B.C. WarriorsThe Art of Simon Bisley by Simon BisleyHeavy MetalLoboSimon Bisley’s Illustrations From The Bible: A Work in Progress by Simon BisleyThe Coming of Conan the Cimmerian: The Original Adventures of the Greatest Sword and Sorcery Hero of All Time! by Robert E. HowardThe Complete Calvin and Hobbes by Bill WattersonThe Sovereign Child: How a Forgotten Philosophy Can Liberate Kids and Their Parents by Aaron StuppleFiend Folio: Tome of Creatures Malevolent and Benign by Don Turnbull and Chris BakerDr. Grordbort’s Bestiary of the Cosmos by Greg BroadmoreExpedition: Being an Account in Words and Artwork of the 2358 A.D. Voyage to Darwin IV by Wayne Douglas BarloweAfter Man: Expanded 40th Anniversary Edition by Dougal DixonRelevant Resources
Aura: The Forest at the Edge of the Sky | Haikou International Duty-Free Shopping ComplexGreg’s Albertosaurus Skull | InstagramThunderbirds Are Go Behind-the-Scenes Tour Experience | TV One BreakfastThe Garden of Earthly Delights Triptych by Hieronymus Bosch | Museo Nacional del PradoThe Rent Collection Courtyard at 50 Years | USC Pacific Asia MuseumDick Smith Special FX Makeup TrainingRichard Sculpting in Margarine | InstagramRichard Taylor and Laura Daniels Sculpting in Tinfoil | InstagramCreative Workshops | Wētā WorkshopAlif: The Mobility Pavilion | Wētā WorkshopTraditional Chinese Medicine Technology and Creativity Museum | GMTCM ParkWētā Workshop Unleashed! | AucklandThe DS Can Do Naked Ladies Slipping on Banana Peels Rather Well | Kotaku99 DS: 99 Dodgy Slips by Greg Broadmore and 99 Deadly Sleds by Christian Pearce | Civic Square, Wellington (2009)Greg’s 60-Meter-Long Unleashed Mural | InstagramQueens of the Stone AgeMotörheadThe (Failed) Neon Genesis Evangelion Live Action Movie Series | EvaWikiDavid Deutsch and Naval Ravikant — The Fabric of Reality, The Importance of Disobedience, The Inevitability of Artificial General Intelligence, Finding Good Problems, Redefining Wealth, Foundations of True Knowledge, Harnessing Optimism, Quantum Computing, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #662Gallipoli: The Scale of Our War | Te PapaANZAC Day WWI Gallipoli Exhibition Designed and Built by Sir Richard Taylor and Wētā Workshop | YouTubeMilitary History of New Zealand During World War I | WikipediaThe Bug Lab | Wētā WorkshopRichard Wields Sting from Lord of the Rings | YouTubeThings We Believe Make Us Kiwi | The New Zealand HeraldRocket Lab | WikipediaDr. Grordbort’s Infallible Aether Oscillators — Where Science Meets ViolenceBrandon Sanderson on Building a Fiction Empire, Creating $40M+ Kickstarter Campaigns, Unbreakable Habits, The Art of World-Building, and The Science of Magic Systems | The Tim Ferriss Show #794The Film That Never Was – Halo | Pop Culture ManiacsMore Legends of Varlata World-Building Concept Art | FacebookImages from Simon Bisley’s Bible | Simon Bisley ArtSilver Warrior by Frank Frazetta | InstagramSwamp Demon by Frank Frazetta | Frazetta Art MuseumEver Wished That Calvin and Hobbes Creator Bill Watterson Would Return to the Comics Page? Well, He Just Did. | I’m Too Stupid to TravelNaval Ravikant and Aaron Stupple — How to Raise a Sovereign Child, A Freedom-Maximizing Approach to Parenting | The Tim Ferriss Show #788People
Tania RodgerRi StreeterGilbert BayesSteve WangRick BakerHieronymus BoschZhao ShutongRay HarryhausenDick SmithClive MemmotWarren BeatonPeter JacksonJay ChouJens AnderssonChristian PearceSalvador DaliJosh HommeLemmy KilmisterDavid DeutschNaval RavikantElijah WoodBertrand RussellJ.R.R. TolkienAnnette BeningBrandon SandersonRony AbovitzAndy LanningNick BoshierNeill BlomkampSharlto CopleyDavid MengAdam LeeSimon BisleyFrank FrazettaRichard CorbenRobert RodriguezJames CameronN.C. WyethJ. C. LeyendeckerNorman RockwellHoward PyleBill WattersonAaron StuppleWayne BarloweDougal DixonSHOW NOTES
[00:08:51] Albertosaurus vs. bear.[00:10:10] The Richard Taylor office tour.[00:12:27] How Richard was inspired to begin sculpting.[00:15:42] Being influenced by — and meeting — stop-motion legend Ray Harryhausen.[00:18:08] Connecting with Dick Smith, the ‘grandfather’ of makeup effects.[00:19:17] Sculpting in margarine and breaking into the industry.[00:23:57] Tinfoil sculpting and teaching creativity to kids.[00:28:00] Wētā’s evolution from a small team to a 400-person creative hub.[00:35:57] 99 Dodgy Slips and 99 Deadly Sleds.[00:41:43] Greg’s artistic education and unique process.[00:46:11] The art must flow! But how does Greg make it happen?[00:47:54] The Auckland mural: when flow goes too far and Lemmy has to be replaced.[00:48:42] How Greg boarded the Wētā Workshop train after years on the dole.[00:51:59] The David Deutsch influence: curiosity, fun, and learning.[00:53:05] Philosophizing around art and creative problem-solving.[00:54:45] How Wētā’s Gallipoli exhibition makes WWI relevant to modern museumgoers.[00:59:04] The challenges of clothing giants and hitting deadlines.[01:03:33] How Wētā attacked the massive scale of the Lord of the Rings project with a can-do attitude.[01:11:23] Richard’s four tenets (plus one bonus tenet).[01:13:39] The unique advantages of operating in New Zealand.[01:16:42] The unwavering self-belief of Peter Jackson’s leadership style.[01:20:10] Richard’s advice for anyone seeking to cultivate their own creativity.[01:23:03] Artistic immortality: leaving a creative legacy.[01:24:13] Greg explains the retro sci-fi angle behind his Dr. Grordbort’s and ray gun projects.[01:28:55] The metaphysics of creative direction.[01:36:09] How Greg’s new book, One Path, came about.[01:40:02] Tools Greg used for conceptualizing One Path.[01:41:55] Where the curious can see more of Greg’s work.[01:43:18] How many destinations does Greg imagine One Path will reach?[01:45:02] Why working on District 9 was often frustrating, but ultimately rewarding.[01:50:39] How can an artist maintain a healthy detachment from their own work?[01:57:35] Greg’s inspirations.[02:06:20] What’s Bill Watterson (Calvin and Hobbes) up to these days?[02:08:53] What is art really about for Greg?[02:10:10] How Aaron Stupple changed Greg’s life.[02:13:13] Bestiaries, folios, and fondly remembered library books.[02:15:39] Parting thoughts.MORE QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW
“I have four very simple tenets that I operate by and four tenets that I try and operate our company by. … Love of oneself, love of what you do, love of who you do it with, and love of who you do it for.”
— Richard Taylor
“The first 300 commercial sculptures I did in the film industry were sculpted in margarine.”
— Richard Taylor
“If you think about who are the true immortals in the world, they’re teachers and parents, people that pass information to others to carry on into the next generation. But I do think about artists and craftspeople as being creatively immortal.”
— Richard Taylor
“The thing we love to make today is other makers. We’ve had a lovely and amazing career, and we are continuing to do fun and wonderful things every day. But it’s an imperative, and I actually feel that it’s beholden on us to try and introduce as many people as possible, specifically children, into the love of making and creating because it is slipping out of our fingers.”
— Richard Taylor
“Grit is an important component in the journey, not the accolades at the end. It’s the task of getting there that is seen as equal in accomplishment as winning baubles.”
— Richard Taylor
“I realized you need to care about the work deeply. It is your baby. You have to care about it. And if you don’t care about it, the work won’t be any good. So you cannot become cynical to the work, you have to love it, and you have to be able to let go of it.”
— Greg Broadmore
“I love learning by doing. It’s the only way. The act of illustrating or being creative, in general, I find most interesting when you don’t actually know where you’re going exactly, and you don’t really know how to do it. You just throw yourself into it and do your best, and I love that process.”
— Greg Broadmore
“Why choose any creative direction? This is a whole big metaphysical thing. There’s actually, I think, two distinct directions in which people create stories and narratives and worlds. One way is directed where you know where you’re going to go, you know the ending. The other way, which I’ve discovered I do, more often than not, is I’m just chasing these ‘why?’ questions.”
— Greg Broadmore
“What is art about? It is more than just drawing pictures and making stories — it is finding truth.”
— Greg Broadmore
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