The Bottom Turtle Podcast

In this episode, Dr. Ray breaks down why the phrase "a man can get pregnant" has no logical meaning.  The crux of his argument is that the word man as it is used in that phrase has no informational content.  This is because it's entirely based on self-identification which means that any person regardless of their characteristics and behavior can claim to be a man. This means the word must allow for all characteristics and behavior thus validating everything.  And as we pointed out in the episode "It's algebra all the way down", a word that maps to everything equally maps to nothing. This episode is an extension/completion of the argument presented in the previous episode when arguing with Ray the computer science professor.  

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In this episode, Dr. Ray argues with a computer science professor named Ray about our recent claims of objective ethics.  After posting the episode "Making a case for objective ethics" on YouTube, we had some "constructive" criticism in the comment section.  We were accused of many untoward things and Dr. Ray debated those claims with said accuser.  This episode is an AI recitation of that conversation. Dr. Ray then critiques  a particular portion of the conversation in which Ray the computer science professor states "It is a terrible selfish thing to deny someone their identity".  This phrase is discussed in terms of how language works and the fact that to claim an identity while not having the characteristics consistent with the shared understanding of that identity, is to ask for power to change the meaning of words and thus the means of communication.  To demand power over language is not a simple ask, and to accuse someone of bad behavior for not doing so seems obviously unethical.  

So if you're interested in a heated debate between a quantum physicist and a computer scientist over the objective meaning of words, ethics, and gender pronouns, then check out this weeks episode of The Bottom Turtle Podcast!

Link to YouTube video where the discussion took place:
https://youtu.be/6cV1jqTklwY?si=PiPQXhmBTdIuiN5U

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In this episode of The Bottom Turtle Podcast, Dr. Ray recites another poem entitled  "Inspiration from reading your thesis".  As the name suggests, it was a poem inspired by reading the thesis of Reasonable Fideist; A friend of the podcast from reddit dating back to the episode "What Else is There?!".  In the poem, Dr. Ray muses about the nature of the subjective and objective spirits and the relationship between them.  The poem attempts to capture the tension between being in the moment, and stopping to take account of what's happening in the moment.  The flow associated with the moment is characterized by the subjective, and the labeling of the moment is characterized by the objective.  The recitation of this poem is used as an introduction to the main recording of the episode. 

The main recording is an impromptu conversation between Dr. Ray and Ryan Scott.  In it, they discuss the nature of the incompleteness of subjective experience when trying to analyze the objective truth of reality mathematically.  They also discuss how a purely materialistic worldview adopted by the likes of Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris is not sufficient to resolve the inherent incompleteness associated with subjective experience. Essentially, it is the recognition that subjectivity doesn't exist without objectivity and vice versa and that they are essentially not separate spirits. They also discuss this problem in the context of C. S. Lewis' treatise on miracles. 

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If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check. -James 3:2

All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, but no man can tame the tongue. -James 3:7-8

To be conscious is to have the capacity to make choices.  It is the capacity to assert one's will.  To bring into existence that which would not be without the exertion of one's will.  It is to be in relationship with the divine, the true sovereign.  It is to be a creator.  It is to reflect God's image.  It is to be a god.

TO PROGRAM YOURSELF IS TO BE CONSCIOUS

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In this episode of the podcast, Dr. Ray presents another ramble where he discusses creating order at deeper meta levels.  In the Bottom Turtle language, meta level zero is the space of the obvious.  This is the space where we draw our axiomatic truths to build a model of reality that everyone can verify.  The resulting model is the language of the podcast. At meta level zero, obvious truths like throwing a wine bottle glass on the ground as hard as you can will cause it to shatter cannot be denied.  To deny such a truth is to completely reject the concept of truth all together.  In contrast meta level one is distinguished from meta level zero by an increase in entropy/uncertainty.  That is, consider meta level one as the space of social interactions.  This is the first level in the conceptual space beyond the obvious mental constructions provided by our sensory faculties.  At meta level one/the social level, it's far more difficult to construct consensus.  It's impossible to know your own motivation for an action with certainty let alone the motivations of others.  Because of this increase in entropy/uncertainty/ignorance, it is much easier to hide untruths and deceit behind fake intentions.  It's also easier to deceive oneself about their own intentions and biases.  At meta level one, if you don't want to see the truth, you don't have to. Instead, you can just lie to yourself and cling to your bias. 

So join Dr. Ray as he explains how to create order in meta level one and beyond.  He argues that this is the job of a theoretical physicist. It is to take obvious truths/observation from meta level zero and construct conceptual objects that are symmetric to the physical system thus creating a literal conceptualization of reality. He also applies this lens of to meta level one to critique wokeness and its use of spiritual violence to control people's free will through repetitional destruction and claims of harm. 

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In this episode, Dr. Ray and Ryan Scott present an argument for the objective truth of ethics. This episode builds on the previous two episodes of the season where the notion of identity is discussed and defined.  Foundational to their arguments of identity is the dependent origination principle in Buddhism which is to say that one's identity is essentially determined by their relationships with each others, and their relationship with the eternal spirit whose name they want to claim.  To claim the name of a spirit, one must abide in the law of that spirit, which is to say they must obey the rules of that spirit so they can create its art.  For example, one cannot become a boxer if one does not practice boxing and live the life, to some extent, of a boxer. Once one makes the vow to come into relationship with a spirit they with to embody, they enter into a social contract with that spirit and all others who claim its name. From here, to act ethically is to obey the law and respect the sovereignty of all others who entered into a relationship with the spirit. After defining their notion of ethics, they apply it to the discussion in episode 1 of this season "Language and Identity".  There, they argue against the idea that one must agree with another's self identification, and if they don't, then they are immoral or responsible for causing harm.  This is a clear violation of ethics because it attempts to control the sovereignty of others to use words that are consistent with their own spirit/identity.

So join us if you want to know the objective truth of ethics and tell us if you agree.  

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Hello everyone and welcome back to the fourth season.  In this episode, we continue our argument on the objective truth of ethics by further discussing the concept of identity.  More specifically, we discuss the concept of a universal identity shared among individuals. For those familiar with the podcast, you'll be aware of the idea of macro- and micro-identities.  A macro-identity is a distinguished by a label that points in the space of spirits like physicist or comedian for example. All those who say I AM A COMEDIAN are claiming they have the spirit of a comedian.  Meaning they can program the universe and be programed by the universe in a way consistent with a person who embodies the spirit of the comedian. From here, we discuss how this spirit remains stable when all those who share the spirit behave ethically to those who share the spirit and obey the laws of the spirit.  If one does not keep the laws of the spirit who name they wish to claim as their own, they must make decisions that keeps the physical configuration/memory that houses that spirit in their physical system stable. For instance, you can't remain a world champion kick boxer if you stop training and eat poorly.  We also discuss the nature of trust that is given to those who have entered the inner sanctum of the spirit, ie have built a deep relationship with it such that they can effectively create in its name and enact its will and have obtained clout within the community that houses the spirit, and the nature of defilement by betraying that trust. With the proper elements of identity in place, we come closer to revealing the objective truth of ethics.  So join us if you're interested in sharing your spirit with us. Peace.  

Episode on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/6cV1jqTklwY?si=DggtkUHF7293OZyb

An American Analytic-What is your God-gven name:
https://youtu.be/BkeHpJWJdLc?si=jqUPXVC9WtmadzQo

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We're back!  Welcome to the fourth season of The Bottom Turtle Podcast.

In this season of the the podcast, we're shaking things up.  First, this season will be focused on the theme of the objective truth of ethics and evil.  That is, the goal of this season will be to present an objective argument for ethics, which then implies that evil is the opposite of the objective ethic. But to make this argument, we first have to clearly define identity and its relation to objectivity since, as we claim, ethics is fundamental a question about relationships with others.  This also makes ethics a question of how one's relationship with themselves and their own identity since one's identity depends on their relationship with others.  This is the dependent origination principle of Buddhism.

Dr. Ray's conversational partner for this season is theoretical physicist Ryan Scott.  Ryan is currently working on his PhD at a prominent R1 university where he studies theoretical models for developing a quantum CPU using ultracold polar molecules.  Beyond his academic work, Ryan is deeply interested in the logical structure of psychology and Christian theology.  His mathematical interests include mathematical logic, algebras and lattices, topos theory, Lie theory, lambda calculus, and dependent type theory.  Ryan also has a YouTube channel called An American Analytic where he posts his lectures on the logical nature and truth of Christian theology.

In today's episode, we begin our argument for the objective truth of ethics by first discussing the relationship between identity and language.  More specifically, we make an argument refuting the idea that one must accept another's self identification otherwise you are committing harm or you're doing something fundamentally immoral.  We argue that this claim is fundamentally at odds with how reality works and is the moral/ethical equivalent of believing the Earth is flat.

So join us if you want to hear our arguments and come to know the truth of ethics.

Links 

Ryan's YouTube Channel An American Analytic:
https://www.youtube.com/@anamericananalytic6346

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Welcome back!  In this episode, Dr. Ray discusses how the principle that we are made in the image of God and Jesus’ two commandments, which are (1) we must love God above all else and (2) to love our neighbor as ourself, formulate the foundations of all ethics. Dr. Ray calls this the made in the image of God principle or the namaste principle. Building on previous concepts expressed in the podcast, Dr. Ray uses the ideas of objectivity and language described in episodes It’s Algebra All the Way Down, It’s Context All the Way Down, and To Agree or Not to Agree (among others) to place the namaste principle in the context of building a shared language. For those familiar with the podcast, it is known that building a shared language is equivalent to building a shared spirit which is to have a shared perception, which is to have a shared model of reality, which is to have a shared vector in the space of configurations, etc. The foundation for building a stable shared reality is our ethical responsibility to all others who come together to build the world of our shared perception/spirit. That is, each mind that gives up some of their personal subjective freedom to create the world are images of the god of that world.  To do this, is to enter into a social contract.  As such, one must treat these others as the self since it is your relationship with these others that give rise to the self with which you identify. For instance, I have an ethical responsibility to all other physicists to hold the world/spirit of physics together.  This idea of self being defined by relationship with others is the dependent origination principle in Buddhism. 

So join us as Dr. Ray makes his arguments for the foundations of ethics using ideas from Christianity, Buddhism, and the concept of the social contract.  Peace

meaning of namaste:
https://www.learnreligions.com/what-does-namaste-mean-1770004

Poem: The Heart of Things
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBottomTurtle/comments/1bnfg02/poem_the_heart_of_things/

Foundations of Ethical Arguments
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBottomTurtle/comments/1bnfhzw/foundations_of_ethical_arguments/

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The last utterance of this episode is a citation to:

https://thebottomturtlepodcast.buzzsprout.com/1454935/14079529-the-ultimate-abstraction

An ongoing project of this podcast is to reconcile the relationship between Buddhism and Christianity to say they are the same.  But, as stated in the episode The Ultimate Abstraction, Buddhism and Christianity appear to be opposites. This is because the goal of Buddhism is obliterate relationships to reach Nirvana, while Christianity's goal is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. So how could they be the same?  To answer that, we want to focus on the symmetries between them.

Stating explicitly what was implied in the recording, Samsara in Buddhism is The World of Sin caused by the fall in Christianity. That is, it is the world of suffering in which sentient beings or minds exist. As such, the theses of both religions is there is a world of suffering and we have the answer to this suffering.  In Buddhism, the source of suffering is explained in the second noble truth which is the existence of a craving or a desire.  This craving is due to the existence of a self that wants reality to be one way instead of how it is. In Christianity however, the world of sin is due to the separation between Man and God caused by the original sin. But, if you are familiar with Christianity, you know that this sin is due to wanting to do things your way as opposed to doing things God's way.  That is, the cause of suffering in Christianity is also due to a sense of self.  The conscious awareness that was gained from eating from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil created a sense of self independent of God like a teenager developing sense of self independent of their parents.  This means in both religions, the world of sin/Samsara is due to a sense of self and to escape suffering is to humble one's self to become one with the whole. 

This episode ends with a recitation of Dr. Ray's poem "It's Turtles All the Way Down is the Correct Answer".   So if you're interested, take seat, open you heart and mind, and listen sincerely and intently to a direct communication from my muse. 

The recordings of this podcast are not scripted.  Instead, it's a process where Dr. Ray tries to sincerely capture what is being communicated to him by his muse.  Because of this, sometimes ideas are missed.  So this space is being used to add an important symmetry that was missed during the recording. 

The Lotus and the Cross:
https://www.amazon.com/Lotus-Cross-Jesus-Buddha-Conversations/dp/1601423187

Dependent Origination:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prat%C4%ABtyasamutp%C4%81da

Samsara:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81ra

Four Noble Truths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths

Link to Poem:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBottomTurtle/comments/1au4mzp/poem_its_turtles_all_the_way_down_is_the_correct/?

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