Starting out with massive college debt is a major hurdle to overcome. While both John & Heyang have college degrees, they both point out the challenges that face college graduates today, and the question of cost, in the USA. Heyang shares some of the educational landscape of China, including the fact that nearly 9 million young people will graduate college in China, and will there be jobs enough to go around. The conversation shifts gears to the importance of the skilled trades, that are often overlooked as a viable career path. John talks about his hands-on experience putting wrenches on cars to construction, to home renovation. Heyang claims that it's her experience that most of the men she's familiar with are able to screw in a light bulb and that's about it. Finally, on a more serious note, Heyang shares the dangers of being a scooter delivery driver in Beijing, that are trying to beat the clock to earn a living.