As I’ve been saying for years – Trump isn’t the problem. He’s just a symptom of the problem. The actual problem is stupid people. And they are justifiably angry. But to think billionaires are going to solve the problem is just stupid. It’s billionaires and the politicians they control that got the U.S. into this situation in the first place.
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Transcript
[00:00:00] Cameron: I’m just going to start this episode of the Bullshit Filter, by playing something, that I think is topical. Uh, here’s a, here’s a show we recorded eight years ago. What the fuck, America? Ah, well,So the white people put Trump in power. So as a white person, I would like to say, I’m sorry, everybody, I’m really sorry.
[00:00:28] Cameron: I mean, this guy defeated the entire political establishment of both parties in the U. S. with pretty much no money, no fun, no funding, making every possible mistake you would think it was a mistake, talking just off the cuff shit, like completely breaking every rule there is.
[00:00:56] Cameron: And not only got in, but, you know, got in by a landslide in terms of electoral college votes anyway, and it looks like he’s going to win the popular vote as well. Which he didn’t. we’re recording this one, back to us in real time now on the 8th of November, my time, 7th of November in the U. S., 2024. I’ve, I went back and listened to that show that we did in 2016 after the election. I also listened to the one that we did in 2020 after the election over the last couple of days. Um, in the 2021, you know, the, my basic idea, you know, there was a lot of jubilation. with the Democrat voters that Trump was gone.
[00:01:44] Cameron: A lot of the pollsters and a lot of the media in the U. S. were saying, that’s it. We’re never going to see him again. Even, um, I remember Tucker, we found out later on during the Dominion voting trial that Tucker Carlson was sending emails to people at Fox saying, thank fuck. We never need to talk to that idiot again.
[00:02:04] Cameron: He’s the worst.
[00:02:05] Cameron: Um, uh, but my point in the 2020 show was.
[00:02:12] Cameron: You know, depends what happens with the trials, Trump may go to jail, he may skate, but I don’t think Trumpism, I don’t think the underlying anger is going away, and because I’ve been saying this, you know, that episode I just played, the 2016 episode, wasn’t even on the bullshit filter, because we weren’t doing the bullshit filter.
[00:02:32] Cameron: in 2016. That was, that was a special episode of The Caesar Show.
[00:02:36] Ray: Pre. Pre,
[00:02:38] Cameron: we didn’t start The Bullshit Film until 2017, which was confusing because I went
[00:02:43] Cameron: looking for that episode on The Bullshit
[00:02:44] Cameron: Film and couldn’t find it. I was like, I don’t know, where where the fuck is this episode? And then I eventually realized we did it on The Caesar Show as a special edition because I just needed to talk about it. Um,
[00:02:56] Cameron: you know, I’ve been saying this though since 2015 and going back even
[00:03:01] Cameron: before Trump was a thing, I was saying this about the Tea Party.
[00:03:07] Ray: Mm. Mm hmm.
[00:03:08] Cameron: specifically Trump. Trump is not the problem. Trump
[00:03:12] Cameron: is a symptom. of the problem. And by the way, so are the Democrats. They are symptoms, I believe, of the underlying issues that the United States has, that the, the political elites, both in the Republican Party, like the non Trump traditional GOP,
[00:03:35] Cameron: And the Democrats have just been trying to ignore for the last eight or nine years.
[00:03:43] Cameron: They’re sticking their heads in the sand, pretending it’s not an issue. And it, and, you know, we can get
[00:03:49] Cameron: into what those issues are over the course of the show, but these are real things. Again, like, Trump is not the problem. I remember when George Bush Jr. was president. And I was saying this to Chrissy at the time, because I met Chrissy in 2008 before the election, saying,
[00:04:10] Cameron: Bush isn’t the problem.
[00:04:12] Cameron: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, they’re not the problem. They’re a symptom
[00:04:15] Cameron: of the problem. And when Bush was ousted in that,
[00:04:19] Cameron: election, and again, people were jubilant, saying, just, I say to people, just wait to see who
[00:04:25] Cameron: comes next. Because
[00:04:29] Cameron: if this isn’t the
[00:04:30] Cameron: end, and I don’t think it gets better, I think the next guy
[00:04:34] Cameron: is going to be worse.
[00:04:37] Ray: I remember that. I think I remember you saying that. Yeah, conveying that, which scared the shit out of me. Sorry, go ahead.
[00:04:43] Cameron: well, you and I weren’t doing a show back then. We didn’t start doing a show until 2013.
[00:04:48] Ray: No, somewhere you conveyed that, um, you didn’t say it like this, but we haven’t gotten to the bottom of the barrel yet. You did say something,
[00:04:57] Cameron: Well, I remember when, when Trump was out at the beginning, in 2020, in the 2020 election, saying, Wait till you see who comes next. Because it doesn’t get better. It gets crazier and crazier. That’s the way these things tend to play out. Anyway, we’ll talk about some historical analogies. We just did, um, we just did an interview with the authors of a book, Witch Hunt, Um, couple of ladies in New York that have just come out with a book.
[00:05:23] Cameron: Well, not just, they came out with it a while ago, but they just
[00:05:25] Cameron: got around to talking to us, so that’s the only thing that matters. Um, watch their sales just spike now, go through the roof. Um, they wrote a book of, a book targeting teenagers, but it’s about the McCarthy movement. hearings, trials, the HUAC hearings.
[00:05:41] Cameron: And I was trying to direct the conversation away from McCarthy hearings specifically, and talk about the underlying, uh, reasons why anti communism was a thing in the United States
[00:06:01] Cameron: in the thirties, forties, fifties, and onwards.
[00:06:05] Cameron: And the parallels between that and what’s happening today, because I think there are a lot of parallels.
[00:06:15] Cameron: You know, you and I often say, we’re quoting Mark Twain, Tony often says this on QAV too, history doesn’t repeat but it often rhymes. The patterns play out again and again and again in history because people don’t change. And, um, I think that, you know, there’s too much is made in the media and by pundits and politicians about personalities and not enough about the underlying issues.
[00:06:44] Cameron: What you tend to see, like you’ll see this at the moment in the media in the US, People will talk about what the underlying issues are that caused Trump to succeed as much as he did in this election. They’ll talk about, well, it’s the economy, well, it’s this, well, it’s that. It’s a pushback against support for transgenders, whatever it is.
[00:07:08] Cameron: But, that generally gets quickly forgotten. And they go back to politics as usual, because trying to deal with the fundamental issues is too big a job. I think for anyone to do in an election cycle, uh, it takes like somebody like a Bernie Sanders, who’s been banging on about this for his entire political career.
[00:07:29] Cameron: No one listens
[00:07:30] Cameron: to that. It’s that kind of dialogue that
[00:07:34] Cameron: needs to happen before things are going to. Change. Anyway,
[00:07:38] Cameron: enough of my ranty ravey stuff, Ray, uh, as the
[00:07:42] Cameron: um, only American whom I, I care to talk to right now.
[00:07:47] Cameron: Um, what’s the vibe
[00:07:49] Cameron: like in your part of the world, Ray?
[00:07:52] Ray: Uh, despondency. Um, fuck, we got to do this for four more years. Uh, everybody in the family is looking up, you know, how hard is it to move out of the country? You know, all that, all
[00:08:05] Cameron: Now I remember you saying this eight years ago and you didn’t fucking move.
[00:08:09] Ray: no, I did, I did not know this. No, there, there, we’ll see. Then it was just, Trump was an incompetent asshole.
[00:08:18] Ray: And now he’s got Roe v. Wade smashed, he’s probably going to get one or two more Supreme Court justices before he’s four years out, that’s what, six or seven out
[00:08:27] Ray: of the nine? I mean, electing him will affect America for decades to come, so it’s the totality of what he represents. And you’re right, he’s not, it’s not like everything else in America is fine, it’s Trump.
[00:08:42] Ray: And he’s just going to bring us all down with him. No, I mean, when you, and I’m not going to do a long spiel here, that’s for later, but when you have a shitty education system, yeah, that’s for you. When you have a shitty educational system and you have, uh, the, the average American, probably like other people have a memory, a political memory of 2.
[00:09:00] Ray: 5 seconds, and they, they, And there’s things like, there’s gun violence, there’s healthcare. I pay 778 a month just in case something bad happens to me and I have to go to the hospital and that way I don’t have to pay more. That’s fucking insane, but that’s where I’m at. When’s the last time minimum wage has been raised, you know, by the federal government?
[00:09:22] Ray: So the point is, you’re right, there’s a ton of problems. They’re all being ignored. No one has the cojones to see. Bernie Sanders would get in and go, okay, we’re not. Fuckin around people. I don’t want makeup on. I don’t want to waste any time. Let’s get, he would, he might not succeed, but you know, he would, he would drag his issues down to the mat and try to beat the shit out of them because that’s who he is.
[00:09:42] Ray: And he doesn’t give a fuck about history. He, he just, he just sees problems. But the point is no one has the courage, the political will, whatever, to do it. And I think American politics has gotten so superficial. The really good people, Are smart enough not to go into politics to what, or at least on the presidential level.
[00:10:01] Ray: I don’t know. You can tell me what you, what you think about that, but as bad as this is, we haven’t crashed yet. Um, and, and we, we said this when Trump was elected, okay, Trump, Trump is an idiot, but as long as nothing bad happens, we’ll get through this. Well, then we had COVID and we lost a million people.
[00:10:18] Ray: Uh, so the point is here’s four more years. Trump is a little more comfortable now. He kind of knows what to expect. We’re not even going to bring up yet Project 2025. So I think he’s going to be more of himself. He’s not going to be overhauled or intimidated and he’s going to be Trump. And it’s, it’s not going to be good.
[00:10:37] Ray: Um, I, I don’t know. We’re, we’re still in, We’re just still, uh, stunned, and we don’t really know how to think or feel. For right now, it’ll go away, because we’re humans, we adapt, and we move on. But for right now, it’s like, holy fuck. And for me, because my family doesn’t give, this will be the last thing I say for a while, my family doesn’t give a shit about history.
[00:11:01] Ray: But me, someone who’s read a couple of history books on the toilets, do I now have to look in the mirror and go, I don’t know if I realized or didn’t want to realize some percentage of my fellow country people, and I know this is kind of harsh or whatever, but, but it’s not inaccurate to, to some degree, are fascists or racists or misogynists.
[00:11:23] Ray: I mean, yeah, we’re, we all think
[00:11:24] Ray: these things, but you know, it’s
[00:11:27] Ray: not, you know, I’m tongue in cheek there, but, but you don’t act on them and you don’t say, um, um, and because everybody has rights and we’re trying to move forward as a society. Well, a couple of days ago, we
[00:11:38] Ray: proved. Fuck that We’re going back to the 1950s.
[00:11:42] Ray: I don’t know. It’s
[00:11:43] Ray: insane. And to answer your
[00:11:44] Ray: question, we don’t know how to
[00:11:47] Ray: feel right now.
[00:11:50] Cameron: Not back to the 1950s, back to 1930s Germany. Um, I, I don’t think, I You know, if I had to sum up my take on the people who
[00:12:00] Cameron: voted for Trump, it’s not that they’re all fascists or sexist or misogynistic or racist or whatever, it’s that they’re stupid,
[00:12:09] Ray: The educational system and media. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[00:12:12] Cameron: just stupid, generally speaking, to believe that
[00:12:17] Cameron: A corrupt, criminal, um, serial
[00:12:21] Cameron: rapist, guy, you know, billionaire, bankrupt, like Donald Trump,
[00:12:28] Cameron: is gonna save America?
[00:12:32] Cameron: You gotta be stupid, like fundamentally deluded and stupid. But I would say the same thing that believe that, believe all of the rhetoric that the Democrats believe about Biden and Harris and the Clintons is the same thing. So I don’t, again, I’m saying this is a, it’s a symptom of a, an underlying problem of stupidity and short termism driven by.
[00:13:01] Cameron: Media narratives, uh, and social media narratives and that kind of thing. People who believe that, uh, Vladimir Putin’s reasons for military action in Ukraine are because he wants to rebuild the Russian empire. I mean, just the level of. Stupidity that I hear from Americans isn’t, and I’m not just Americans, like it’s a global thing, right?
[00:13:27] Cameron: I’m just, I’m not picking on Americans here. People are generally stupid because they don’t read, they’re not
[00:13:31] Cameron: educated, they don’t try and understand history, they don’t try and understand politics, they don’t try and understand philosophy, they don’t try and understand anything outside of usually a narrow domain.
[00:13:42] Cameron: They may be very good at their jobs, you might be really, a really good lawyer. or a really good, you know, copywriter or a really good doctor, right? But you don’t
[00:13:53] Ray: A factory worker. Yeah.
[00:13:54] Cameron: you don’t study how the world works. And, um, you know, as I was trying to get across to the ladies we just interviewed, from all of the study and all of the shows that we’ve done on the Cold War show about why anti communism became a thing in the US, the fundamental, there are lots of reasons, things are complicated, but the fundamental thing that made it happen, in my view.
[00:14:20] Cameron: that the rich elite businessmen in the United States and the politicians that they controlled were very, very concerned about the growing anger huh?
[00:14:34] Cameron: Uh, in the working classes, the proletariat in the United States and watching what was happening around the world about the inequality in the early part of the 20th century. And they saw people were starting to organize into unions and into political parties and revolutionary political parties. They did,
[00:14:54] Cameron: the rich
[00:14:55] Ray: They have that right.
[00:14:57] Cameron: The rich decided to, uh, use their wealth and
[00:15:01] Cameron: their reach and their media control and their control of politicians to fight against that, to get on the front foot.
[00:15:08] Cameron: One of the things that they did in the United States very successfully in the 40s and 50s was co opt religious leaders
[00:15:17] Cameron: so they could start to position communism as evil, literally as evil,
[00:15:23] Cameron: start And capitalism as Christian and American and pro American, and then they used their control of the media and their control of the pulpit and the innate Christianity that most Americans had back then, and they drove that message home relentlessly for decades until it became, until the very word socialist became basically verboten in the U.
[00:15:49] Cameron: S. until Bernie Sanders brought it back a few years ago, tried to bring it back. Um, and so it, and then I look at what’s happening with Trump today, and the same with the Democrats, because again, both political parties, as George Carlin used to say, there’s only one political party in America, and it’s the party of big business, and it has two divisions.
[00:16:10] Cameron: He was right when he said that in the 90s, um, Bill Hicks used to say the same thing, and it’s still true today, and, and, um, People, uh, generally just refuse to listen to that. But so what you’ve got is, I mean, this is why all of
[00:16:27] Cameron: the billionaires were getting behind Trump. Um, towards the end, and spending insane amounts of money, which we’ll get into, to make sure that he won, it’s the, uh, rich consolidating their power over any forces of progressiveness.
[00:16:45] Cameron: Remember back in the Obama days, we had Occupy Wall Street,
[00:16:48] Cameron: which got shut down by the Obama
[00:16:51] Cameron: Administration
[00:16:52] Cameron: so, anyway. Uh, let me, let me quote for some stuff that I’ve been reading over the last couple of days and we’ll, we’ll dissect it. This is from the New York Times. In a closing rally on the Ellipse last week, Kamala Harris scorned Donald J. Trump as an outlier who
[00:17:07] Cameron: did not represent America. This is not who we are, she declared.
[00:17:12] Cameron: In fact, it turns out that may be exactly who we are. At least, most of us.
[00:17:17] Cameron: Populist disenchantment with the nation’s direction and resentment against elites. Proved to be deeper and more profound than many in both parties had recognized. Now, I want to stop there. That’s the interesting point. Resentment against elites.
[00:17:36] Cameron: Donald Trump is the very definition of an elite. Elon Musk is the very definition of an elite.
[00:17:45] Cameron: Um, you had all of these elites coming out in support of
[00:17:51] Cameron: Trump.
[00:17:53] Ray: Right. Mm-Hmm.
[00:17:55] Cameron: yet the people voting for Trump claim to have resentment against the elites. Now, I think they mean the political elites and Trump has still managed to position him, uh, himself as an outsider in politics. Even though he’s very much, uh, you know, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, uh, blue blood, he’s, he’s positioned himself as an outsider and, you know, that is what Kamala Harris, uh, couldn’t do, uh, Biden couldn’t do, and getting the Clintons and the Obamas and all these people to support her didn’t do.
[00:18:34] Cameron: They didn’t have a candidate that could, um, play to the genuine resentment. And, uh, you know, I said this in 2016, and I said it in 2020,
[00:18:49] Cameron: the American people have very, very good reasons to be angry.
[00:18:54] Cameron: Against. The elites and
[00:18:57] Cameron: against business leaders and the political leaders. The fact that they’re putting that anger in support of Trump is just a repre, uh, represented representation of how stupid they are
[00:19:11] Cameron: because they ain’t going to make it better.
[00:19:12] Cameron: He’s going to make it worse. Million times worse. And I laugh about the fact that
[00:19:16] Cameron: you keep saying, well, we’ve got four years to do this and another four years.
[00:19:20] Cameron: or four years. You’re assuming that there will be more elections in four
[00:19:23] Cameron: years. I give that a 30 percent chance.
[00:19:31] Ray: There’s already talk about the Republicans doing something about the 22nd Amendment, which limits the President to two terms, so. You might be onto something there. I mean, but I, I’ve got a, I’ve got a hope in something, but here’s my thing, if you can look at a guy, and,
[00:19:47] Ray: and, and no disrespect, because, because I live with these
[00:19:50] Ray: people, no disrespect, you got a guy who, who does manual labor for a living, he drives a truck, he doesn’t have sleeves, he’s worn the same baseball cap ever since he was 18 years old, salt of the earth, work, whatever, all that good stuff, to have Trump Stare at that guy through the television screen with I don’t know how much Trump suits cost But I’m sure they cost a pretty penny and go I’m here for you They’re trying to get to you through me all that bullshit and for this person to go Yeah, he is really looking out for me.
[00:20:18] Ray: He’s gonna take care of me. He’s gonna make whatever and I’m like Trump doesn’t know the first thing about your life. He’s never shopped. He’s never asked him the price of milk. What the fuck? I don’t know. I just bought the cow. The point is there could not be a larger disconnect and you’re right. What does it say about the American people for someone to tell a bold faced, bold faced lie for years and have the people go?
[00:20:39] Ray: Yep. Nope. He’s my man. I mean, what does that say? about the electorate. I mean, we’re mad, but, but think about it. Think about Trump’s brilliance in this. The American people are so goddamn pissed. We’re ready for a French revolution. Let’s just go in there and guillotine all the
[00:20:55] Ray: people that have got way too much money. Trump was able to not only go, Hey, not me. I’m with you. And he rode
[00:21:01] Ray: that like a fucking wave all the way to the white house. And like you
[00:21:05] Ray: said, not once. But twice. He was able to take that anger and ride it versus
[00:21:11] Ray: having it roll over him. That’s a pretty good fucking skill, if you can do it.
[00:21:17] Cameron: Okay, but you, you, you’ve missed my point about the four years.
[00:21:22] Ray: No, I know.
[00:21:23] Cameron: let me, let me, let
[00:21:24] Ray: gotcha. Go ahead.
[00:21:25] Cameron: let me, drill this home for you.
[00:21:28] Ray: Wicca, wicca, wicca.
[00:21:29] Cameron: I was surprised, um, the last time, 2020, that he didn’t, um, stage some sort of a, uh, national crisis. um, after the election, uh, where he could declare martial law and, and, and
[00:21:49] Cameron: hold on to power. There were people in his inner circle that were trying to get him to do that.
[00:21:56] Cameron: He didn’t do it. What nearly happened to him in the
[00:21:59] Cameron: intervening four years?
[00:22:01] Ray: About to go to jail.
[00:22:03] Cameron: Go to jail and have his entire empire and his family’s empire
[00:22:08] Cameron: dismantled. He barely survived all of the, legal challenges that were thrown at him. They gave him too many outs, too many, they took too long to
[00:22:25] Cameron: prosecute because I think the Democrats thought that’s it, he’s done, he’s over, there’s no rush.
[00:22:31] Cameron: It’s, it’s, you know, we can take our time here. They didn’t fucking nail him to the
[00:22:36] Cameron: wall. You know, he got fined hundreds of millions of dollars, which he couldn’t pay, and he got it, he got them to fucking reduce the settlement amount.
[00:22:48] Cameron: So, but he got through and he’s going to be president again. Now,
[00:22:53] Cameron: if he goes to the polls again, and let’s say he survives four years, chances of that probably not high.
[00:22:59] Cameron: And, um, you know, partly through assassination attempts, partly through just, he’s, you know, not a
[00:23:04] Cameron: healthy looking fucker, but let’s say that he does survive the
[00:23:07] Cameron: next four years. Do you, if you were Donald Trump,
[00:23:12] Cameron: would you take
[00:23:13] Cameron: risk of having another
[00:23:14] Cameron: election? And what you know is gonna happen to you when you’re a private citizen again after
[00:23:21] Cameron: your second term expires, in terms of legal and financial challenges?
[00:23:29] Ray: Yeah, your second and final term, unless The 22nd Amendment is, is, is adjusted. So I guess the thing is, and you probably heard this for the last, uh, 48 hours, like I have, Jack Smith has already met with the Department of Justice going, I’m ready to close everything. I had
[00:23:45] Ray: the guy fucking nailed to the wall,
[00:23:48] Ray: guilt as fuck.
[00:23:50] Ray: This is the way the cookie crumbles. So, so Jack Smith has already, has already started to shut things down. So the question is, is it just delayed until four years from now and that he can pick it back up? I don’t, I honestly don’t know. I don’t know how that works. But you, but you make a good point of trump’s, like if there’s even a 1% chance, some of these assholes are gonna come after me, after I’m out of the White House.
[00:24:11] Ray: Maybe my fat lily white ass needs to stay. So, again, Trump, Trump, Trump is a coward. At the end of the day, he can talk all this shit, but you know enough psychology to know that he’s an absolute pussy, he’s a coward, and the idea of jail and embarrassment and losing everything is more than he can do. I think he would try for something extreme, like having the 22nd amendment removed or augmented or whatever.
[00:24:37] Ray: You know, altered so he can stay in power. And the reason he didn’t do anything after the election, to me, to my thinking in 2020, is because he already had the
[00:24:45] Ray: plan. And the plan was to get Mike
[00:24:47] Ray: Pence to not certify the thing. So the point is, he
[00:24:50] Ray: did have a plan. It wasn’t more violence, but he had a plan.
[00:24:54] Ray: This time, I think he’s thinking, I can’t take Any fucking chances, cause I’ve really riled
[00:24:59] Ray: up the people that don’t like me. They will come after
[00:25:02] Ray: me in some form. I think I’m going to stay right here in the oval. In fact,
[00:25:05] Ray: I’m going to die in the oval
[00:25:07] Ray: office. But we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
[00:25:10] Cameron: Yeah, I mean, We know why Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon
[00:25:18] Cameron: Getting back
[00:25:18] Ray: they were ruining him.
[00:25:20] Cameron: my fundamental premise of humans is humans don’t change. Um, you know, well, yeah, he was going to be destroyed. I mean, he crossed the Rubicon because Rome was corrupt and they, were coming after him and he felt like he was backed into a corner.
[00:25:37] Cameron: He had no choice. And I.
[00:25:39] Ray: they, they broke the law to punish Julius Caesar. I mean, they literally,
[00:25:43] Ray: the Senate broke the law, several laws to punish him, and he’s like, well, if y’all can fucking do it, guess what,
[00:25:48] Ray: bitch, that’s a two way street, but the point is, yeah, I mean, humans,
[00:25:51] Ray: humans, at the end of the day, will do anything to protect themselves in the more
[00:25:55] Ray: radical or extreme depths of hell.
[00:25:56] Ray: The threat is, the more
[00:25:58] Ray: extreme their solution has to be, so, who knows
[00:26:02] Cameron: know people in America think, oh, that could never happen here, because we’ve got strong institutions, and
[00:26:07] Cameron: we’ve got this, and we’ve got that, and yeah, that’s what every country that’s, uh, had a revolution thought. It could never happen here. The Romans thought that. Um, You know, you, you now have Trump, looks like he will control not only
[00:26:23] Cameron: the executive branch,
[00:26:24] Cameron: he’s going to control both houses of Congress and he controls the
[00:26:27] Cameron: Supreme Court. So all
[00:26:29] Cameron: of the instruments of government at a federal level he controls. And has the ability to manipulate a great deal, a great many of the states as well, uh, by, uh, Using the levers that he has available to him, like funding and access to trade restrictions and who knows what else, to control what happens in the states.
[00:26:55] Cameron: Anyway, let me go back to the New York Times. For the first time in history, Americans have elected a convicted criminal as president. They handed power back to a leader who tried to overturn a previous election, called for the termination of the Constitution to reclaim his office, aspired to be a dictator on day one, and vowed to exact retribution against his adversaries. Rather than be turned off by Mr. Trump’s flagrant, anger based appeals along lines of race, gender, religion, national origin, and especially transgender identity, many Americans found them bracing. Rather than be offended by his brazen lies and wild conspiracy theories, many found him authentic. Rather than dismiss him as a felon found by various courts to be a fraudster, Cheater, sexual abuser, and defamer, many embraced his assertion that he had been the victim of persecution.
[00:27:55] Ray: Jesus Christ. On it.
[00:27:58] Cameron: As, um, This election was a CAT scan on the American people, and as difficult as it is to say, as hard as it is to name, what it revealed, at least in part, is a frightening affinity for a man of borderless corruption, said Peter H. Weiner, a former strategic advisor to President George W. Bush and vocal critic of Mr.
[00:28:20] Cameron: Trump. Donald Trump is no longer an aberration, he is normative. His businesses went bankrupt repeatedly and multiple others failed. He was taken to court for stiffing his vendors, stiffing his bankers, and even stiffing his own family. He avoided the draft during the Vietnam War and avoided paying any income taxes for years.
[00:28:40] Cameron: He was forced to shell out tens of millions of dollars to students who scamming them, found liable for wide scale business fraud, and had his real estate firm convicted in criminal court of tax crimes. He has boasted of grabbing women by their private parts, been reported to have cheated on all three of his wives, and have been accused of sexual misconduct by more than two dozen women, including one whose account was validated by a jury that found him liable for sexual abuse after a civil trial.
[00:29:11] Cameron: He is the only president in American history impeached twice for high crimes and misdemeanors, the only president ever indicted on criminal charges, and the only president to be convicted of a felony. 34 in fact. He used the authority of his office to punish
[00:29:26] Cameron: his adversaries and tried to hold on to power on the basis of a brazen lie.
[00:29:32] Cameron: Mr Trump beat some of the investigations and lawsuits against him and some proved unfounded, but the sheer volume is remarkable. Any one of those scandals by itself would typically have been enough to derail another politician.
[00:29:48] Ray: Let me just reply real quick and then you
[00:29:50] Ray: can, I’m sure you’re going to go on. I think it was last year. I think it was last year.
[00:29:55] Ray: You and I said something and we were
[00:29:56] Ray: joking because, uh, that’s how we do. We were like, what does the Catholic church have to do to lose your
[00:30:01] Ray: vote? Molest your kids? Clearly that’s not it because it’s done it, you know, tens of thousands of times.
[00:30:06] Ray: In fact, the, uh, archdiocese in LA a couple of months ago had a petition Pony up another millions of dollars, whatever. And they’re just, they’re just whatever. But the Catholic church is like, Hey, we’re still coming out of good. But the point is, what does Trump gotta do? You know, he, you know, that he holds the, uh, some of his rallies in airports because the civic centers or the whatever in the city are like, you still owe us from last time, bitch, you’re not welcome here.
[00:30:31] Ray: He stiffs people. The way he treats women, what, what he’s done to his family alone, he should just, you know, be put on a deserted island, but the point is, what does he have to do? It doesn’t matter. He can’t do anything because once people identify him as their savior, be it economic, moral, whatever, uh, you know, it doesn’t matter.
[00:30:51] Ray: And the last thing I’ll say is, and I’m going back to what you were talking about. Can you imagine being a priest and you’re a conservative Republican priest and you got to, okay, okay. I got to sell Trump to the congregation. Okay, I can do this. I can do this. Um, God sometimes
[00:31:06] Ray: uses imperfect vessels. That’s the best they could do. Can’t God find or make or pick a better fucking vessel than Trump? The point is, there’s nothing he can do to lose these people, though. And if the 22nd Amendment is removed, he can run until he’s dead.
[00:31:28] Ray: On an oxygen tank and these people will
[00:31:30] Ray: vote for him.
[00:31:31] Cameron: So, uh, Now that he’s president, um, all of the federal charges against him.
[00:31:37] Cameron: as you said, Jack Smith is already winding them down. He is still going to have to deal in theory with the state. legal challenges. He doesn’t have the authority to interfere with or stop state prosecutions, but it’s likely that those either will go away or that they’ll just get pushed down the road until his term in office, because there is a tradition that you can’t prosecute a sitting president in
[00:32:10] Cameron: the United States.
[00:32:10] Cameron: So nothing is going to happen with those.
[00:32:13] Cameron: He faces eight felony charges in Fulton
[00:32:17] Cameron: County in Georgia for Allegedly, criminally conspiring to overturn the state’s election results there, and engaging in a racketeering conspiracy. And he won Georgia!
[00:32:29] Cameron: Cross
[00:32:31] Ray: He lost it last time. He won it this time. He won the popular vote. He actually got more votes this time than last time. Or he did better with votes this time. I mean, what the
[00:32:42] Ray: actual fuck?
[00:32:43] Cameron: the board and
[00:32:44] Cameron: we’ll get into the demographics in, in a system, but, in a second, but, yeah, like, again, this is, I, I see, I see this as, um, it’s just a reflection of America and American culture. This is the America that I’ve come to know over the last 35 years. Um, America is a fucking Basket Case. And it’s, you know, I haven’t engaged in a lot of this debate in line because
[00:33:19] Cameron: honestly, I can’t be fucked. But a lot of people are saying, but don’t blame all Americans. We, half of us didn’t vote for him. Um, yeah, but you’re also part of the problem. That’s the point. Even the people that didn’t vote for him are part of the fucking problem. You know, we’ve done shows about, we were doing shows about the fact that Biden
[00:33:39] Cameron: was, didn’t have the mental acuity to run for president.
[00:33:44] Cameron: And I had people sending me angry emails and angry feedback on Facebook telling me to shut the fuck up, that I didn’t know what I was talking about, that he was fine, right up until he stepped out of the race.
[00:33:56] Cameron: Um, because they’re fucking stupid. They’re just as stupid as the Trump voters. Like, are you fucking serious?
[00:34:04] Cameron: Look at the guy. He can basically form a coherent sentence. Then we did a show when Kamala got the nomination. What did I say? What was my summary of her as a candidate? Can you remember?
[00:34:15] Cameron: Were you listening?
[00:34:16] Ray: Ooh, I’m not sure.
[00:34:18] Cameron: you can’t, you didn’t listen. I said she was a nothing burger as a candidate. She had
[00:34:25] Cameron: Apart from the fact that she was black and female and I’d say attractive. Told my one of my sons that, he goes, what do you think she, you’d hit that? Yeah, fuck yeah I would. I think she’s, she’s attractive. She’s, she’s pretty, she’s got a lovely smile, a lot of charisma, but as a candidate.
[00:34:44] Cameron: Nothing going For her. Nothing.
[00:34:46] Cameron: Nothing. She, when she first ran for
[00:34:50] Cameron: the Senate, she did support some good policies. Like she was pretty aggressive on fracking, pretty aggressive on the Green New Deal, you know, uh, aggressive, more aggressive on things like, uh, you know, Palestinians and Gaza and supporting them.
[00:35:06] Cameron: As soon as she became the Vice President, or as soon as she joined Biden’s ticket, all of that went away. And, uh, during her four years as Vice President, nothing
[00:35:15] Cameron: about any of that. And then even when she became the candidate, all of that was gone. She was not going to push any harder or any differently on that, on
[00:35:24] Cameron: Ukraine. She wasn’t going to buck the Biden thing. She tried to play this dance of distancing herself from Biden, while at the same time just being a Democratic, uh, you know, shill. So she, she had, and they fucking put her in no primary. And the Democrats, largely speaking, didn’t go, Oh, fucking what? No primary. We’re just putting her.
[00:35:47] Cameron: No, fuck
[00:35:48] Cameron: you. Like, no wonder 11 million people who
[00:35:52] Cameron: voted Democrat in 2020 didn’t even bother to vote this time. And we’ll talk
[00:35:58] Cameron: about some of the
[00:35:58] Ray: Fuck you.
[00:35:59] Cameron: we, know why. I saw, you know, John Mearsheimer. Who I’ve talked about a lot on the
[00:36:04] Cameron: show,
[00:36:05] Cameron: American geopolitical professor and author, um, I saw an interview with him I think the day before the election, they
[00:36:14] Cameron: asked him who he was going to vote for and he said, well obviously I’m not voting for Trump, but I can’t vote for Harris either because I draw the line at genocide.
[00:36:22] Cameron: I can’t vote for somebody who supports genocide. I just, I
[00:36:25] Cameron: can’t.
[00:36:26] Ray: That’s a sticky, sticky point. Yeah. I’m anti genocide. I hope that’s not too radical
[00:36:32] Cameron: yeah, I’m a radical leftist. I’m anti
[00:36:35] Cameron: genocide. Alright, so,
[00:36:38] Cameron: at the voting numbers across the board, from all the exit polling,
[00:36:43] Cameron: Trump just got a huge increase, pretty much everywhere. Um, young men of all races, Primarily. Got a huge bump. Now my, my boys, you know, they’re social
[00:36:54] Cameron: media guys and they’ve been telling me for the last year, Oh, social media is going to win this election for whoever.
[00:37:00] Cameron: When Kamala’s campaign started doing videos, they were like, Oh, she’s got this lockdown, you know, TikTok game is so strong. And, um, Yeah, I kept saying, you know, look, it’s not
[00:37:12] Cameron: about
[00:37:12] Ray: That’s not
[00:37:13] Cameron: TikTok, man. It’s, it’s about, you know, what the messaging is, how you deliver that. You might deliver it via TikTok. You might deliver it via mainstream media.
[00:37:23] Cameron: You might deliver it at rallies, but at the end of the day, it’s about what your message is, not how clever a
[00:37:30] Cameron: video is that you do.
[00:37:33] Cameron: Um, but there was, you know, Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, uh, using Twitter, by the way. All the people that have been criticising Elon Musk’s purchase of Twitter over the last couple of years and talking about what an idiot he was for buying Twitter.
[00:37:54] Cameron: having the last laugh now? I’ve been saying, say what you want about Elon Musk, but he’s not stupid. He bought Twitter because he wanted a platform. I assumed it was a platform mostly to promote his agenda for Tesla and SpaceX and XAI and all the other things that he’s doing. Um, but obviously the
[00:38:21] Cameron: political agenda was a big thing for him too.
[00:38:25] Cameron: And I had been planning on doing a bullshit filter show for weeks, um, about why he was supporting Trump. And we can, we can touch on that too, I guess, before we, we finished, but, um, he doesn’t look like such an idiot for buying Twitter now, does he?
[00:38:43] Ray: Right. I mean, it went from 44 billion to 10 or 11 billion in
[00:38:47] Ray: value. But the point is, there are some things that are more important than, to money,
[00:38:51] Ray: uh, than money. So he might be very happy right now. I just wanted to ask you one, I just wanted to follow up on one thing you said. I did read one article. about the young
[00:38:59] Ray: men voting across the board of voting for Trump. I did read one article, I can’t remember where, it says something about young men are feeling, you know, between women really pushing for their rights, that men either feel like they, they might be losing their, you know, the number one, uh, position, and so maybe, not so much anti women,
[00:39:19] Ray: but more pro uh, Men should be in charge.
[00:39:23] Ray: That’s the way white God intended it kind of thing. So there might’ve been a little bit of an anti female, um, or whatever, vote. Uh, do you get any sense of that? Or have you read anything like that? Just a lot of men are
[00:39:34] Ray: going, whoa, you know, there’s a chance we could put women back in their place. Yeah.
[00:39:40] Ray: I’m kind of okay with that. I wasn’t sure. I wasn’t sure if you’d run
[00:39:44] Ray: anything like that
[00:39:46] Cameron: Um, look, I, I haven’t seen data that backs that up. I do accept that. Uh, misogyny is a, is a real thing. Like, I accept racism is a real thing. Where it sits in the list of things that people are genuinely angry and pissed off about, um, I’m
[00:40:06] Ray: Oh, it’s probably low. Yeah.
[00:40:08] Cameron: I’m not sure. Yeah. I mean, You know, I’ve been talking for the last couple of weeks with Chrissy about the fact that Trump has, one of his largest demographics has, for the last two elections before this one, has been white women.
[00:40:24] Cameron: And I keep saying, if there was one demographic you think that would be horrified by Trump, it would be white women. And yet, they were one of his largest demographics, and Chrissy’s response has been, it’s fucking religion.
[00:40:39] Cameron: It’s Christianity, it’s religion, uh, it, it, you know, it’s, it’s fucked with the minds of these women who, you
[00:40:49] Cameron: know, believe that, you know, He is somehow more pro abortion, I mean, pro changing abortion, anti abortion, the Democrats, and that’s all that matters, um, that he’s the chosen one, that he’s the Christian, getting the Christian vote, right?
[00:41:09] Ray: Right. Right. What? Well, right, right next to white
[00:41:13] Ray: women, which again is a head scratcher is I think he got more than 50 percent of Hispanic men. And if there’s anybody other than white women who
[00:41:21] Ray: should be nervous about Trump getting into office, it should be how should I put this, gently, brown males in this country.
[00:41:28] Ray: I mean, don’t, I mean, no, he’s not really going to deport 11 million
[00:41:32] Ray: Hispanics because that would cost too much money and it would ruin our economy, yadda, yadda, yadda, but their lives aren’t going to get
[00:41:37] Ray: any better. I mean, there are They’re just not. And I, I don’t get that. And a lot of people, you know,
[00:41:44] Ray: look right into the camera and go, Oh, I voted for him for economic reasons. There’s other things. When your ass is deported, the economics won’t matter so much. I don’t know. So that’s just one of, one of those
[00:41:54] Ray: other things that just made me scratch my head and go, really?
[00:41:59] Cameron: And that’s, and that whole thing is obviously a ridiculous thing. Ridiculous argument. Like he added how many trillions? $8 trillion or something to the deficit. I mean, he, you know, he is, uh, he, he didn’t do anything good for the economy. I mean,
[00:42:15] Cameron: the, It’s they say that, but
[00:42:18] Ray: He inherited. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:42:21] Cameron: Uh, yeah. So look, I the.
[00:42:24] Cameron: The exit polling stats that I’ve got say that he got a 10 point increase from all men under 30. So young men hugely attracted to Trump. He got double the support from black men. Now that was only from 12 to 24.
[00:42:40] Cameron: So, Still, uh, uh, only less than a quarter of black men, but he doubled his
[00:42:45] Cameron: support and a 25 percent increase from Latino men from 38 up to 46, not, not quite half, but almost half of Latino men.
[00:42:55] Cameron: His support from Latino women went up 32 to 38.
[00:42:59] Cameron: White women stayed the same at 52%. Um, white men, um, he went from 58 to
[00:43:06] Cameron: 59, uh,
[00:43:09] Ray: Mm hmm. Woo!
[00:43:10] Cameron: This is from 2020 to 2024. Um, so the majority of white people love Donald Trump. Again, as we said in 2016, white people loved him. Black and Latino, not as much, but an increasing number of them did,
[00:43:28] Cameron: which
[00:43:28] Ray: So the third time.
[00:43:30] Cameron: stunning.
[00:43:30] Cameron: Now, he pretty much cleaned up in the swing states. The blue wall, uh,
[00:43:34] Cameron: turned out to be, um,
[00:43:37] Cameron: not really that much of a wall, about as much of a wall as he built it, uh, to stop the Mexicans from getting in. But I want to, I’ll talk more about demographics later, but I want to hark back to the billionaire story.
[00:43:49] Cameron: A report that just came out from a group called Americans for Tax Fairness found that 150
[00:43:56] Cameron: of the wealthiest people in America contributed at least 1.
[00:44:00] Cameron: 9 billion to candidates in this election.
[00:44:09] Cameron: Um, In the 2020 election, over
[00:44:13] Cameron: 600 billionaires contributed 1. 2
[00:44:18] Cameron: billion to presidential and congressional candidates.
[00:44:24] Cameron: 150 billionaires contributed double that amount, almost double that amount.
[00:44:31] Ray: Jesus. Jesus. That’s a priority. Clearly.
[00:44:37] Cameron: now the fact that You allow
[00:44:40] Cameron: billionaires to contribute billions of dollars
[00:44:49] Cameron: is just ridiculous. So if we’re going to talk about the fundamental
[00:44:53] Cameron: problems that America has, that is why
[00:44:56] Cameron: allowing
[00:44:57] Cameron: billionaires to manipulate elections. Carte Blanche
[00:45:05] Cameron: is just ridiculous. Like what the fuck do you think is going to happen when you, the richest people are able
[00:45:11] Cameron: to just contribute an unlimited amount of money
[00:45:15] Cameron: to political messaging?
[00:45:19] Ray: they all go to the same country club.
[00:45:21] Cameron: 72 percent of that 1. 9 billion went to support Republican
[00:45:24] Cameron: candidates.
[00:45:26] Cameron: 22 percent went to Democratic candidates. So there you got a problem straight up.
[00:45:33] Cameron: You’ve got billionaires just sinking billions of dollars into supporting your candidates and in this case, the vast majority of it, nearly three quarters of it, going to, um, the, the, the Republicans.
[00:45:47] Cameron: Now, um, the Musk stuff I want to get into in a little bit more detail because as I said, I’ve been meaning to do a show on this for a while.
[00:45:57] Cameron: But, um, I haven’t had a chance to do a bullshit filter on it since I started drilling into this. So, for people who don’t know, and this is confusing, because look, I have this
[00:46:11] Cameron: interesting, you know, there’s a dichotomy about Elon Musk. Tony always refers to him as a Bond villain. And, you know, I think that analogy is good, but on one hand, I think Elon Musk is brilliant, um, he is a genius, and anyone who says he isn’t can go fuck themselves.
[00:46:31] Cameron: Um, you know, with what he’s done with SpaceX, and with Tesla, and his decision to buy Twitter, and what he’s doing with Neuralink, and with XAI, all of the businesses that he runs, he’s a genius. And the fact that he runs, if he ran any one
[00:46:48] Cameron: of those, he would be considered a brilliant businessman and a genius.
[00:46:51] Cameron: The fact that he runs all of them simultaneously,
[00:46:55] Cameron: and you, you say he’s not, he’s not brilliant, fuck off. Go fuck yourself, seriously. I mean, the guy is a, is a
[00:47:01] Cameron: freak. The fact that he got behind Trump, who he had been criticizing for the previous eight years,
[00:47:11] Cameron: very vocally, at war with Trump for most of the
[00:47:16] Cameron: last eight years. They were at war with each other, bad mouthing each other.
[00:47:21] Cameron: To then jump on board the way that he did gave me whiplash. And so I started drilling into what’s going on here. I assumed there was something in it for Trump to, for Musk to support Trump.
[00:47:35] Cameron: And, you know, he said it was when
[00:47:37] Cameron: Trump’s assassination, you know, nearly happened.
[00:47:41] Cameron: And then Trump got up and went fight, fight, fight. And he went, Oh, I’m going to get behind that guy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that may have played a role in it, but
[00:47:50] Cameron: Musk has been at war with the Biden administration for the last few years.
[00:47:57] Cameron: and his relationship with the federal
[00:47:59] Cameron: government is Extraordinary and extraordinarily lucrative.
[00:48:05] Cameron: Um, SpaceX effectively dictates NASA’s rocket launch schedule. I mean, I was talking to one of my kids about this and he was like, Well, you know, he wants Trump to win so he can get more NASA contracts. I mean, he pretty much already has all the NASA contracts.
[00:48:21] Cameron: Like, NASA doesn’t exi Yeah, exactly. NASA doesn’t exist, pretty much, without Trump.
[00:48:27] Cameron: SpaceX right now. They’ve, they’ve basically outsourced, not everything, you know, Bezos’s company gets a little bit, but mostly it all, it all goes to, uh, SpaceX now and Boeing gets a little bit and that kind of stuff, but they fucked that
[00:48:40] Cameron: up. Um, the Defense Department relies on SpaceX to get most of its satellites into orbit.
[00:48:48] Cameron: His companies were promised 3 billion across nearly 100 different contracts last year with 17 different federal agencies.
[00:49:02] Cameron: So he’s very tied in and gets a lot of funding from the federal government and some people will argue that his businesses have been as successful as they have been because of the amount of money that he’s been able to extract out of the federal government to that’s able to fund him to do a lot of his research and run his businesses.
[00:49:24] Cameron: companies have also been targeted in at least 20 recent
[00:49:28] Cameron: investigations or reviews over the safety of Tesla cars, environmental damage caused by his rockets, etc. He’s got a huge business footprint. And, you know, but there’s been oversight and regulation and investigations into his businesses from Transportation Department, Justice Department, Labor Department, Interior, Agriculture, the National Labor Relations Board, Equal Opportunity, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Environmental
[00:50:02] Cameron: Protection Agency, Securities and Exchange Commission, Federal Communications Commission, and the Federal Trade Commission.
[00:50:10] Cameron: So He, being a typical rich, uh, quote
[00:50:15] Cameron: unquote self made man, his view on government tends to be, fuck off and let me do what I’m doing because I’m a fucking genius and I’m driving the
[00:50:24] Ray: Leave me alone.
[00:50:26] Cameron: He has a messianic complex, you know, he does believe, according to the Walter Isaacson biography that I read, That he is the saviour of humanity.
[00:50:36] Cameron: That AI is coming, climate change is coming, thermonuclear war is potentially coming. We need to
[00:50:42] Cameron: become a multi planetary species really, really quickly. We need to merge with the AI through brain computer interfaces. And no one else is doing this stuff fast enough. Other people are fucking around the edges of it.
[00:50:56] Cameron: He’s hitting it hard and fast like D’Angelo and your wife. And he is, um He sees
[00:51:04] Cameron: himself as the guy that’s gonna help the human race survive and anyone that gets in his way, like we used to talk about Stalin in this sense. I genuinely believe that Stalin in the late 30s and the 40s
[00:51:22] Cameron: and early 50s believed that he was the only thing that was going to make the Soviet Union survive.
[00:51:30] Cameron: Um, because he was the guy with the vision, he was the guy with the ability to get shit done. And. And they were being attacked on all sides. The capitalists were coming, um, you know, they were coming with economic blocks, they were coming with military invasions, they were coming with the atomic bomb, they were coming with all sorts of stuff that, and anything that he had to do.
[00:51:53] Cameron: To win, for the Soviet Union to win and to survive
[00:51:59] Cameron: was justifiable, because they had a population of roughly 200 million people, and they were all gonna starve, or they’re all gonna get killed. 20 million died in World War II, a lot more were dying of starvation. He had to,
[00:52:15] Cameron: he had to just mow down anyone who got in his way,
[00:52:20] Cameron: because
[00:52:21] Ray: I got time.
[00:52:22] Cameron: Couldn’t afford to slow down, right?
[00:52:24] Cameron: Couldn’t afford it. There were just road bumps. Had to, it’s my way or the highway. You get on board with my five year plan or I fuck you off and do a prison camp in wherever,
[00:52:38] Cameron: yeah, because don’t have time to fuck with your
[00:52:41] Cameron: bullshit. And then anyone.
[00:52:44] Cameron: Anyone who was even, it’s a bit like the McCarthy
[00:52:47] Cameron: hearings we just had, anyone who even remotely
[00:52:52] Cameron: resembled someone who might get in the way, good enough, fuck you, you’re gone.
[00:52:56] Cameron: You’re either all in, and then, of course, there were lots of guys that, you
[00:53:00] Cameron: know, got, in the inner circle, um, that got executed and removed because they were a threat to his power, or a perceived threat to his power.
[00:53:10] Cameron: And again, if you believe you’re the messiah, if you believe you’re the messiah of a country, and you’re a psychopath, then doesn’t matter.
[00:53:17] Cameron: Anything I need to do to win is justifiable. I do believe that
[00:53:23] Ray: by the means.
[00:53:24] Cameron: one of, exactly,
[00:53:26] Cameron: Musk is one of those guys, but he’s looking
[00:53:28] Cameron: at it from a view of the
[00:53:29] Cameron: human race. And if, and if the Biden
[00:53:31] Cameron: administration is gonna get in his way and is gonna fuck with him and make life more difficult,
[00:53:38] Cameron: then fuck it.
[00:53:40] Cameron: He’s, his deal with the
[00:53:41] Cameron: devil was, listen, Donald
[00:53:43] Cameron: Trump, I think you’re a fucking moron. I don’t like you, but here’s what I’ll do.
[00:53:47] Cameron: I will,
[00:53:48] Cameron: I will help you get elected. I will throw my money and my
[00:53:52] Cameron: platform behind helping you get elected in return for all of my problems go what.
[00:54:00] Cameron: And Trump
[00:54:00] Ray: like, Trump’s.
[00:54:01] Cameron: fuck yes, yeah, exactly, you’ve
[00:54:03] Cameron: got problems, you want yours to go
[00:54:05] Ray: You scratch my
[00:54:07] Cameron: exactly.
[00:54:08] Ray: Yes. Yes. Mutual, uh, mutual, beneficial. Beneficially mutual. Yeah.
[00:54:15] Cameron: So that’s, for me, explains quite rationally the whole Musk supporting Trump situation, it was a quid pro quo deal.
[00:54:25] Ray: Right. Yeah. I think, I think Musk
[00:54:28] Ray: can be as emotional as anybody but at the end of the day, being a genius, he’s going to be smart enough to go, this benefits me, this
[00:54:35] Ray: doesn’t, this is what I’m going to do,
[00:54:37] Ray: even though I might not like it, it benefits me, ergo, that is the way I’ll go. I mean, yeah, at the end of the day, you do what you got to do to survive and keep it
[00:54:45] Ray: going. And if that means dealing with Trump,
[00:54:50] Ray: he’s, yeah, he can do it.
[00:54:53] Cameron: So, getting back to the numbers and the demographics, 11 percent of people who voted in 2020 didn’t turn up in 2024. 17 million people who did vote, stayed home. Um, in total, in 2020, 155 and a half million votes were cast. This time it was 138
[00:55:17] Cameron: and a half million. Um, in 81 million votes
[00:55:23] Cameron: to Trump’s 74. In 2024, Harris got 66.
[00:55:27] Cameron: 8 million votes to Trump’s 71. 6. So, a couple of million less people voted for Trump. And, uh, yeah, fucking 15 million less, uh, who voted for Biden voted for Harris.
[00:55:44] Ray: right. Do you think maybe, oh I don’t know, letting Israel wipe out tens of thousands of Palestinians who are innocent
[00:55:52] Ray: might have had something to do with people not being cool with taking time off from their busy schedule and going to vote for Kamala? I don’t
[00:56:00] Ray: know. It’s just an idea.
[00:56:02] Cameron: Look, I’m, uh, I’ll, I’ll talk about why people don’t vote in a second, but I want to say that Harris had got more votes than Obama did in 2012 and Hillary did in 2016,
[00:56:14] Cameron: but way less than Biden got in 2020. Like, I think a lot of people came out of the woodwork
[00:56:20] Cameron: get rid of Trump. in 2020, but this time around, no, the
[00:56:26] Cameron: white people came out to, well, not, people came out to get rid of Trump and in 2020, but this time the Democrat, they, they couldn’t be fucked voting for the Democrats this time
[00:56:38] Cameron: around.
[00:56:40] Cameron: Um, now,
[00:56:41] Ray: stayed home.
[00:56:42] Cameron: I haven’t seen any analysis of why people didn’t vote in this election, but I do have analysis from
[00:56:48] Cameron: 2020, and I, I don’t think it would have changed a great deal. The reason that people say they don’t vote, uh, as follows, and this is from an NPR analysis, by the way, uh, a third of them, roughly 29 percent say they’re not registered to vote. Why?
[00:57:11] Ray: on that, well, on that one, because Kiki ran into this, uh, Kiki
[00:57:15] Ray: registered to vote. She was very
[00:57:17] Ray: excited, and, uh,
[00:57:18] Ray: she got a little piece of paper, and, uh, I said, well, hopefully you don’t
[00:57:21] Ray: get jury duty. And she said, what? I said, yeah, when you register to
[00:57:24] Ray: vote. Your name goes into the jury duty pool, which I know may not sound like a big deal,
[00:57:30] Ray: but in America, we really, really hate that.
[00:57:33] Ray: So, that might be a very, very small reason why, but, you know, I don’t know, maybe that’s something that should be looked at. But the point is, I find that very, very interesting. 29
[00:57:43] Ray: people just simply aren’t registered. Are they that busy? Or do they not care?
[00:57:49] Cameron: Well, 29 percent aren’t
[00:57:51] Cameron: registered to vote, um, and I don’t know exactly what the reasons are, but some of the other reasons that you might assume are tied up with that are that the second biggest one is they’re not interested in politics, that’s 23%. 20 percent
[00:58:05] Ray: Why should they be?
[00:58:07] Cameron: say they don’t like the candidates,
[00:58:12] Cameron: percent feel that
[00:58:13] Cameron: their vote wouldn’t make a difference, and 10 percent say they’re undecided on whom to vote for.
[00:58:21] Cameron: But if you,
[00:58:22] Ray: I, I can’t, I can’t go with the 10. I can’t go with that last one. How in the fuck could you confuse Kamala,
[00:58:30] Ray: who, far from perfect, and Tru I don’t know, to me that, and not economically, but in a lot
[00:58:36] Ray: of other ways, it’s black and white, but anyways, uh, maybe that’s just me being more emotional than rational, but I’m like, I don’t
[00:58:42] Cameron: Well, that’s like, John Mearsheimer.
[00:58:44] Ray: between those two.
[00:58:45] Cameron: I’m not going to vote for Trump, but I’m not going to vote for somebody who supports genocide either, so
[00:58:49] Cameron: You know,
[00:58:51] Ray: She screwed herself.
[00:58:52] Cameron: who do I vote for? I mean, you can go vote for the Greens or
[00:58:55] Cameron: an Independent, or you can write a name in, like
[00:58:57] Cameron: people wrote in RFK,
[00:58:59] Cameron: apparently. By the way, congratulations with RFKs, now you’re going to be running your healthcare system.
[00:59:03] Cameron: So good luck with
[00:59:05] Cameron: that.
[00:59:07] Cameron: Um, but the basic point here
[00:59:11] Cameron: is that people, you know, a
[00:59:13] Cameron: large percentage of the people, like, I think, um, How many people
[00:59:18] Cameron: voted, did we say? Uh, 100 and, what was the numbers I said before? 140, um, 138 million people voted. What’s the population? What’s the adult population in the United States?
[00:59:34] Ray: uh, 270 million? I don’t know. I
[00:59:37] Ray: really don’t know.
[00:59:40] Ray: It’s a lot more than 130.
[00:59:43] Cameron: mean, um, Adult
[00:59:46] Cameron: population, USA,
[00:59:49] Cameron: population 335 million, under 18,
[00:59:55] Cameron: 22%. So let’s say 80 percent roughly of the population, is, able to vote.
[01:00:04] Cameron: 80 percent of 335, right? Do some quick maths in your head for me.
[01:00:11] Ray: Nope, cause you got a computer right there. I’m not a show pony.
[01:00:15] Ray: We’ve had this conversation.
[01:00:19] Ray: And you know I don’t know all the numbers. There’s like 12 of them.
[01:00:25] Ray: 80 times 335, I mean, I forgot, I don’t know.
[01:00:29] Ray: Do I look like Rain Man to you? Don’t answer
[01:00:32] Cameron: Yeah. Okay. It’s about, let’s say 268, 270 million. Um,
[01:00:37] Ray: Fuckin nailed it! Sorry, go ahead.
[01:00:40] Cameron: yeah. Good job,
[01:00:42] Cameron: rain man. So.
[01:00:46] Ray: I used intuition. Go ahead.
[01:00:50] Cameron: 138 million people
[01:00:52] Cameron: voted. 268 million people could have voted. So that’s 130 million people just don’t fucking
[01:01:03] Cameron: decide. You know
[01:01:03] Cameron: what?
[01:01:04] Ray: Oh, I heard you saying, yeah, you know, fuck it.
[01:01:07] Cameron: I cannot be fucked. Fuck, fuck politics.
[01:01:10] Cameron: Fuck the politicians. Fuck
[01:01:12] Cameron: politics.
[01:01:14] Cameron: Here, here’s um,
[01:01:16] Cameron: here’s some of the stuff from this NPR article from
[01:01:18] Cameron: 2020. Politics is simply not the way to make change, they said. Two thirds of non voters agree, for example, that voting has little to do with the way that real decisions are made in this country. They are 21 points more likely
[01:01:31] Cameron: to say so than people who voted. A majority also said they believe it makes no difference who is elected.
[01:01:38] Cameron: President, and that things will go on just as they did before. Non voters were 29 points more likely to say that than people who voted. Non voters are also more likely than voters to say that traditional parties and politicians don’t care about people like me. The mainstream media is more interested in making money than telling the truth.
[01:01:58] Cameron: The American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful. Success in life is pretty much determined by forces outside of our control, and a feel that most issues discussed in Washington don’t affect them personally. Non voters were also more likely to be young and Latino. 35 percent of non voters
[01:02:16] Cameron: in this survey were between the ages of 18 and 34, compared with 24 percent of voters.
[01:02:22] Cameron: And notably, a quarter of non voters were Hispanic, compared with just 7 percent of voters. So,
[01:02:31] Cameron: people, like, like a large percentage of the country, say half of the country,
[01:02:36] Cameron: uh, more or less, just believes that politics is bullshit, doesn’t matter, we’re being lied to, all the politicians are fucking useless and corrupt, the media’s lying
[01:02:49] Cameron: to us. Disenfranchised, disaffected, jaded, and you know what?
[01:02:54] Cameron: Right.
[01:02:56] Ray: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they feel it in their bones. Trust me, I know.
[01:03:02] Cameron: Um, so,
[01:03:05] Cameron: You know, I
[01:03:06] Cameron: think it’s a, so, like in countries like Australia, you have to vote.
[01:03:11] Cameron: Voting is
[01:03:11] Cameron: mandatory. Or pay a fine. And
[01:03:17] Cameron: so people vote. You know, we just had a state election here. Chrissy and I did it via postal vote.
[01:03:23] Cameron: And as you
[01:03:24] Cameron: know,
[01:03:24] Cameron: our election campaign cycles run about three minutes. Um, They, they announce the election long enough to make sure that you don’t have anything scheduled for that day or to get a postal vote organized.
[01:03:37] Cameron: That’s all. Oh, by the way, what are you
[01:03:38] Cameron: doing in three weeks? Nothing. What are you doing? Oh, we’re going to have an election. Oh, fuck it. Really? Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I’ll make sure that I’m around or whatever. Who’s the candidates? Do you, does it matter? No, probably not. Okay.
[01:03:54] Cameron: Literally, I did not know anything about the candidates, and I got my postal vote from them, and I looked at it, and I, I, Chrissy looked at hers, and we both went, well, this is fucking easy, isn’t it?
[01:04:04] Cameron: It’s like, cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt, and, you know, Greens Party, okay, probably lesser of the cunts. Um,
[01:04:13] Cameron: It was, it was, You
[01:04:14] Cameron: know, that’s
[01:04:16] Ray: chose the less cuntiest.
[01:04:18] Cameron: yeah, the lesser of five cuts, basically. but You know, we have to vote, uh, and, and even if you’re disaffected as I am and disenfranchised and, and believe, you know, most of the major parties are fucking, Not worth pissing on.
[01:04:38] Cameron: Again, because they’re supporting genocide in Gaza. Like, fuck you. And
[01:04:43] Cameron: they’re supporting, you know, the bullshit narrative around Ukraine. You know, a guy who is our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese. Before he was in power, he was a labor union
[01:04:56] Cameron: guy. For decades, he was, going back to his university days, very vocal about the treatment of the Palestinians and of Gaza, you know, getting Israel the fuck out of Gaza, and two state solution, and very critical of Israel.
[01:05:13] Cameron: The minute he becomes the prime minister, all of that
[01:05:16] Cameron: disappears, you know,
[01:05:18] Ray: Well, we have to, uh Yeah. Bullshit.
[01:05:22] Cameron: I’m like, fuck you. You have
[01:05:24] Cameron: zero credibility. How can I have any respect for you or your party, um, that they’re allowing this? Anyway, breaking down more of the exit poll demographics here, Ray, um,
[01:05:37] Cameron: Oh my God, the majority of men voted for Trump. 55 percent of men, uh, voted for Trump. Um, the majority of women, 53 percent
[01:05:45] Cameron: of women voted Democrat.
[01:05:48] Cameron: But, uh, when you break it down into a race, that changes. In terms of gender, uh, race, uh, majority of white people voted for Trump. Majority of black people, by a large margin, 85 percent of black people voted for Kamala. She got a bare majority of Hispanic, Latino, 52%.
[01:06:08] Cameron: Um, she
[01:06:10] Cameron: slight majority in the Asian vote.
[01:06:12] Cameron: 54% and 42% of other, uh, in terms of, uh, uh,
[01:06:24] Cameron: you white? Why am I seeing
[01:06:27] Cameron: this twice? Oh, American Indian is in
[01:06:32] Cameron: this next
[01:06:33] Cameron: Uh, American Indian has broken out into this one. She got 34. The majority of American
[01:06:38] Cameron: Indians, native Americans got, uh, gave their vote to Trump.
[01:06:44] Cameron: Well, fucking what?
[01:06:46] Ray: What? Yeah, that’s a legitimate response. What?
[01:06:52] Cameron: sex by race, uh, white men
[01:06:55] Cameron: voted for Trump, white women voted for Trump, black men and black women voted for
[01:07:00] Cameron: Kamala, Latino men voted for Trump, Latino women voted for Kamala. And all the other races, it was pretty much evenly split. She got a little bit more, 48 to 46. Age groups. Now, this is another interesting
[01:07:17] Cameron: thing.
[01:07:17] Cameron: You know, I’ve been hearing since the days of
[01:07:20] Cameron: Bush that the Republicans were a spent force in America because
[01:07:27] Cameron: the youth were more progressive. And the youth were going to be voting Democrat. The old white people were going to be dying off the boomers. You were going to have, uh, this rise of the young white voters and Latino and black voters were going to vote Democrat.
[01:07:46] Cameron: And they had it locked down,
[01:07:49] Ray: Yeah. Days are numbered.
[01:07:51] Cameron: right? It was going to be locked down for decades to come. And there was a whole
[01:07:55] Cameron: bunch of, you know, punditry and analysis about this in the early Obama years. In this election, 18 29 age group, 54 percent voted Democrat, um, so, a majority, but only a skinny majority.
[01:08:17] Ray: Yeah. Should’ve been more.
[01:08:18] Cameron: 30 44, um, it was evenly split, 49 48, uh, 45 64.
[01:08:28] Cameron: Our demographic, majority voted Republican and 65 and over evenly split, which
[01:08:37] Cameron: is kind of interesting. You would expect the boomers mostly to be Republican, but it wasn’t the case, it was evenly split. So it’s the, it’s the 30 to 44 demographic. I don’t even know what that is in terms of generation, I don’t know if that’s still Gen X.
[01:08:55] Cameron: I’m Gen X and I was, I’m 54.
[01:08:59] Cameron: But overall, so if you break the, depending on how you break the age up, 18 to 44, bare majority went Democrat, 51 percent. Um, 45 and over, majority went Republican. Uh, you can break the ages up into other ways, uh, you know, smaller and smaller increments, but it’s basically the same thing.
[01:09:20] Cameron: When you get down to age by gender, Men 18 to 29 voted Trump. Again, a bare majority, 49 percent Republican, 47 percent Democrat, but the majority went for Trump. So young, young men, uh, 30 to 44 also Trump, men, 45 to 64, largely Trump, 60%, men, 65 and above Trump. So.
[01:09:46] Cameron: Men of all ages love
[01:09:49] Cameron: Trump.
[01:09:50] Cameron: Uh, most of the women, uh, across all ages and, um, races voted, uh, for the Democrats, except women, 45 to 64, 50 percent went Republican.
[01:10:10] Cameron: So, um, like young people. Again, stupidity. Like, voting for this fucking retard.
[01:10:20] Cameron: Um, it’s just shocking. What, which best describes your education? Never attended college, 63 percent voted Trump. Uh, attended college but never received a degree, 51%. Uh, voted Trump,
[01:10:36] Cameron: Associate’s Degree, 56 percent voted Trump, Bachelor’s Degree, 53 percent voted Democrat, and Advanced Degree, 59 percent voted Democrat.
[01:10:48] Cameron: So the, so the Republicans are getting the majority of the, let’s say, uneducated, uh, or, or barely tertiary educated.
[01:10:57] Cameron: vote.
[01:10:57] Ray: I love the poorly educated.
[01:11:00] Cameron: Yeah, college graduates, uh, Democrats got
[01:11:03] Cameron: 55%, no
[01:11:05] Cameron: college degree, Trump got 56 percent all up. Uh, so, I mean, look, you make university as expensive as
[01:11:16] Cameron: possible over there, and this is what happens.
[01:11:20] Cameron: People don’t get an education, and they vote, uh,
[01:11:26] Cameron: or they don’t vote,
[01:11:27] Ray: Well, they fall for shit. yeah. good point, but they fall for shit.
[01:11:32] Cameron: Um, one of the
[01:11:34] Cameron: interesting ones, again,
[01:11:35] Cameron: is going to be religion. 63
[01:11:38] Ray: Mmm, right.
[01:11:41] Cameron: Christians, so that includes things like the Mormons,
[01:11:44] Cameron: um, 63 percent voted for Trump. Catholics, 58 percent voted for Trump.
[01:11:52] Cameron: 78 percent of the Jews, I love the Jews,
[01:11:55] Cameron: um, 78 percent
[01:11:57] Ray: Do my taxes.
[01:11:59] Cameron: voted, for Kamala.
[01:12:01] Ray: How much? What was the percentage again?
[01:12:04] Cameron: of the Jewish vote went Democrat.
[01:12:07] Cameron: But they’re, you know, two tenths of fuck all. So it doesn’t really matter. But,
[01:12:13] Ray: that’s true.
[01:12:14] Cameron: and I don’t know how many of them are pro Israel, but, uh, you know, I would guess that a lot of them are.
[01:12:21] Cameron: So in terms of who they thought, I assume
[01:12:25] Cameron: this was an issue for them, was going to,
[01:12:27] Cameron: uh, support the genocide in Gaza. They were all for the Democrats.
[01:12:35] Cameron: but there you go. In terms of no religion, 71 percent of atheists. Or no
[01:12:41] Cameron: religion. Anyway, atheist, agnostic, whatever you like, uh, voted Democrat.
[01:12:46] Ray: Right. Huh. So We need we need, right. Sorry, go
[01:12:52] Cameron: got uneducated Christians are the
[01:12:56] Ray: That’s what I was gonna say. We need to ban church, make college free, and eventually
[01:13:04] Ray: we might be okay. Maybe.
[01:13:06] Cameron: Which, you know, the communists, that’s communism, my friend. Ban
[01:13:10] Ray: Boom. There we go. There we go There We go.
[01:13:14] Ray: We solved all the world’s problems tonight. I’m taking the rest of the week off. Oh,
[01:13:22] Cameron: the whole thing about, uh,
[01:13:23] Cameron: you know, Trump being big in the rural areas, you know, there’s often been this thing about the, east and west coast elites.
[01:13:32] Cameron: Um, He was up in all of those areas, including New York. He got 51 percent of the suburban vote, only 38 percent of the urban vote, but was up in that. And of course, 64 percent of the rural vote, So absolutely dominated that as always.
[01:13:55] Cameron: look, I want to, I want to finish. So that’s all of the election stuff, but we’ve talked about civil war
[01:13:59] Cameron: stuff over the years.
[01:14:02] Cameron: You know, I said at the beginning of this show that. I, um,
[01:14:06] Cameron: I was surprised that there wasn’t some sort of a civil war or martial law declared at the end of Trump’s first term. I think the chances are much more likely. this time to happen.
[01:14:21] Ray: You can do something.
[01:14:22] Cameron: And I’ve been trying to think
[01:14:26] Cameron: about, based on
[01:14:29] Cameron: my study of history, what are the, what are the precursors to civil wars? How do they generally take form?
[01:14:39] Cameron: What do they look like?
[01:14:41] Cameron: And then which of those models most closely resembles where the United
[01:14:48] Cameron: States is at today?
[01:14:50] Cameron: And therefore, What do you think the progression is going to be? So I’m going to run these past you and see what you think.
[01:15:00] Cameron: So the first one I would say is a successful coup. So you have a conspiracy to remove the head or heads of state.
[01:15:10] Cameron: Uh, Julius Caesar, um, the, the,
[01:15:16] Cameron: sort of the French Revolution to a point, but not really, no, the French Revolution’s not really there. Um, you have a coup where you have a group of people that decide to kill the president, um, And, not like the assassinate, like there are assassinations of
[01:15:32] Cameron: Lincoln, or the attempted assassination of Trump recently, although he wasn’t the head of state, you have
[01:15:38] Cameron: assassinations that aren’t part of a coup, they’re just an assassination, JFK’s assassination wasn’t part of a coup,
[01:15:48] Cameron: it was
[01:15:49] Cameron: an assassination for, because, depending on what story you want to
[01:15:54] Ray: had a beef.
[01:15:56] Cameron: Lone Wolf, Or the CIA slash the mob
[01:16:00] Cameron: slash, um,
[01:16:02] Ray: Soviet Russia. Right. Yeah.
[01:16:05] Cameron: wanted to get rid of the Kennedys.
[01:16:09] Cameron: but you have a coup, right? So you have a bunch of people that are angry
[01:16:14] Cameron: enough that they want to kill the leader of the government and overthrow the
[01:16:19] Cameron: government. So you have a successful coup, coups come in two forms. You have a successful coup. And, you know, we talk about Rome, Julius Caesar, that wasn’t really a successful coup because, uh, the guys that committed the coup didn’t end up running the government, you know, it
[01:16:39] Cameron: was probably a
[01:16:41] Ray: They wanted to.
[01:16:42] Cameron: yeah.
[01:16:44] Cameron: So you have a failed coup where the coup fragments the military or rival political factions. and
[01:16:59] Cameron: that who end up fighting each other in a civil war and the the stages of the coup are not successful. So, um,
[01:17:08] Cameron: Brutus and Cassius weren’t successful after they
[01:17:13] Cameron: had the civil war with Mark Antony and, and, um, Augustus,
[01:17:19] Cameron: um, or Octavius as he was at the time.
[01:17:25] Cameron: that plays out. A failed coup attempt. Then you have the large scale civil uprising. You have a, usually led by a vanguard of intellectuals. The people go on strike or take over key infrastructure. They cripple the economy and society, form a new government, and it goes from there. And sometimes the leaders are killed.
[01:17:53] Cameron: Um, as part of that process, you know, I think the Russian revolution, the French revolution are examples of these,
[01:18:02] Cameron: the people rose up because they were starving or angry, um, and they just went on strike or overthrew the prisons and overthrew the government. Just mass unrest, a mass public upheaval, not led from the top by a coup, but just by anger.
[01:18:22] Cameron: Political leaders, the vanguard of intellectuals, antagonizing, organizing, riling people up. So there’s a, some sort of an upheaval. Then you have the slow rebellion, which is where, uh, uh, A small group of rebels slowly start to take over parts of the country, building support with the populace as they go, capturing pieces of critical infrastructure one at a time, until they have a big enough army and a big enough amount of populace support.
[01:19:02] Cameron: that they can have more of a head to head engagement with the government. And the classic example for that is the Viet Cong, uh, against the French and then the Americans, um, in the Vietnam war, or Castro in Cuba started off with 20 guys. Uh, in the mountains and just built slowly, piece by piece by piece until he was big enough to, until the, the government collapsed and Batista ran away and they were able to, um, take over government.
[01:19:44] Cameron: Um, then you have, I’m not, I’m not sure what to call this one, but it’s like the ideological revo, um,
[01:19:52] Cameron: uh, rebellion, where you have a large section of the country split. That’s it. along ideological lines. The American Civil War, the American Revolution, I think both examples of this. The Korean War is an example of this, where you have two large ideological groups that, you know, just decide, you know what, fuck you, we’re breaking away, or we’re drawing a line in the sand, we’re going to take this part of the country, you’re going to take that part of the country, or maybe we’re going to fight over who controls
[01:20:31] Cameron: the whole thing. Um, you know, I think the, the American revolution, it’s not often depicted like this, but we know it was, I mean, you had large, uh, numbers of Americans at the time that were pro British control, that were, that were collaborators with the
[01:20:54] Cameron: loyal to the British. And then you had a group that decided to break away
[01:20:58] Cameron: from the British and
[01:21:00] Ray: economic reasons. Mm-Hmm.
[01:21:02] Cameron: Exactly. So, and an ideological
[01:21:08] Cameron: of it, you know, we, we don’t want to pay taxes to a foreign government, whatever it is. And then of course the civil war was about, you know, economic reasons as well. And, you know, the, the, the slave owning
[01:21:20] Cameron: states versus the non slave owning the industrial states and, and who was going to control the future of the country.
[01:21:28] Cameron: Then you have the situation where there’s a severe economic collapse or severe inequality, and, and the Russian and French revolutions play into that to an extent as well. But when you also have situations where there’s hyperinflation or famine or extreme inequality, large sections of the population are driven to desperation.
[01:21:51] Cameron: They’re not necessarily rebelling for ideological reasons because the state can no longer Or will. Will no longer meet their needs, and the people just rise up and decide to take shit. Food.
[01:22:07] Cameron: to feed themselves and then they get into a war with the authorities and they fight
[01:22:12] Cameron: back. they
[01:22:14] Cameron: get pickaxes and pitchforks and shovels and torches, right?
[01:22:20] Cameron: Which as we talked about in our Cold War series was what FDR was concerned was going to happen during the Great Depression and he was saying to the elite when he was introducing the New Deal, he was saying to the business leaders, listen, I’m your last defense, right, against pitchforks. Then they’re
[01:22:35] Ray: Yeah, pay a little now, or pay a lot later. Yeah,
[01:22:39] Cameron: were, they were like, fuck you. we
[01:22:42] Cameron: hate the new
[01:22:42] Ray: Because they’re not used to
[01:22:43] Ray: being, yeah, because they’re not used to being
[01:22:45] Ray: stymied. And he’s like, it’s a brave new world. Well, the thing for me, out of everything you
[01:22:51] Ray: just said, the people that are ready to war against America, within America, right the fuck now, are the militias.
[01:22:58] Ray: And they don’t really get a lot of news unless some ranch or whatever gets busted, but there’s a lot of militias, they have a lot of firepower, they’re getting more and more. Pretty highly organized, but they have to be careful because the FBI is trying to track them down. So if there’s a war right now, these guys are ready to go.
[01:23:15] Ray: Uh, but here’s the question. Most of them, if not all of them, are pro Trump.
[01:23:20] Ray: So do they not attack while he’s president or maybe they’re thinking that he’ll help in their
[01:23:25] Ray: own fantasy world that they’ll help. Uh, so, so who knows with that, but as far as all of those ideas that you
[01:23:31] Ray: just espoused, uh, uh,
[01:23:33] Ray: the, the ideological will probably be If something doesn’t
[01:23:38] Ray: hack it, because, oh, I’m sorry.
[01:23:41] Ray: Okay. Well, I think it’s going to be
[01:23:42] Ray: that one, but go
[01:23:44] Cameron: The fourth one is a religious schism or a sectarian divide. So you have deep seated religious or sectarian divides
[01:23:53] Cameron: that flare up into a civil war when a government favors one, group and actively discriminates against another. Sri Lanka, Lebanese Civil War, the Syrian Civil War.
[01:24:05] Cameron: We’ve talked about these on the bullshit filter and, um, the, the. Cold War show,
[01:24:13] Cameron: um, you know, where you have, uh, even going back to Tito, And his day in Yugoslavia and like huge religious divide and members of the government were actively supporting one religion versus another. And they’re like, fuck you.
[01:24:33] Cameron: And it breaks out.
[01:24:36] Cameron: seven. Number eight is a foreign intervention or a proxy war.
[01:24:40] Cameron: So you’ve got foreign powers intervening, arming one side to achieve their own goals. This is Ukraine to a large extent. Right, um, where you had And I’m not even talking about what’s happening today, I’m talking about 2004, 2014, America supporting coups in the country that spilled over into violence, didn’t erupt at that stage into a full out civil war, except in the Donbass region where it did, um.
[01:25:16] Cameron: And then you had the U. S. supporting Ukraine on one hand and Europe and NATO. You had Russia supporting the other side and the Donbass and then it turned into the 2022 escalation.
[01:25:32] Cameron: So, um, You’ve also got other examples like the Greek Civil War after World War II that we’ve talked about in a Cold War show where the British got involved to support the monarchy.
[01:25:42] Cameron: People were trying to overthrow the monarchy, the British supported it. Um, proxy wars. You know, a lot of what’s happened in the Middle East and has since the end of the Ottoman Empire have been proxy wars. Um, what’s happening in Gaza, what happens in Iran, what happened in Iraq in 2003, etc. Proxy wars happening.
[01:26:05] Cameron: Different foreign powers getting involved and trying to make sure that a government that’s supportive of their economic interests is in power.
[01:26:16] Cameron: Number nine is decolonization, where you have an empire or a federation fall apart, internal groups vying for control. The breakup of Yugoslavia after Tito died was part of sort of that sort of thing, a breakup of a federation.
[01:26:32] Cameron: The collapse of the Soviet Union after the Cold
[01:26:34] Cameron: War, uh, India and Pakistan, after the British got out, Israel and Palestine, after the British pulled out of Palestine, um, Similar things happened in Iraq and in Syria after the European powers pulled out post the World War II and that sort of stuff. And the 10th is ethnic or regional marginalization, where you have ethnic or regional
[01:27:02] Cameron: minorities that are politically or economically marginalized within a country and eventually rebel.
[01:27:09] Cameron: Again, Sri Lanka is part of that, although there’s a religious aspect, Nigeria, Sudan, Yemen.
[01:27:18] Cameron: We often have that situation as well. It’s, it’s partly religious, but quite often it’s
[01:27:24] Cameron: ethnic. marginalization, we hate you because you’re a Huthi or we hate you because you’re a member of this tribe or whatever it is.
[01:27:33] Cameron: Not necessarily religious, but ethnic.
[01:27:37] Cameron: Although the two, two are often conflated, but I think we can separate. So that’s, as far as I could work out, looking at
[01:27:45] Cameron: civil wars, these are the 10 main that cause civil wars. Now, out of all of those, which do you think sounds? closest to where the United States is today.
[01:28:05] Ray: Uh, well, um, if I can put the second part of your
[01:28:09] Ray: question to the side for a second. Any kind of serious economic collapse, uh, because Americans are nothing more than capitalists, I could see that causing some trouble, but I think it’s, it’s the ideology, but Um,
[01:28:22] Ray: Civil War might be pushing it too far. I think there’d be a lot of fistfights.
[01:28:26] Ray: I think there’d be riots in the streets, which eventually would become a civil war. But, uh, yeah, I think it’s just, I, I, and, and I’m going to exaggerate on purpose, but I, I see the people, some of the people that voted for Trump, and I’m literally like, I don’t know. I don’t understand you at all, and to go from I don’t understand you at all to I hate you is not a, it’s not a big leap, um, because when there’s, there’s an absence of understanding, normally something dark fills the void, so I, I think it’s something about we’re just getting further and further away from, from, from the two sides are getting further away from each other, and eventually within that gap, conflict, violence, Whatever can take place.
[01:29:09] Ray: Basically, when one side attacks another, it normally comes down to two reasons. One, desperation,
[01:29:14] Ray: or two, one side or both sides think they can win. Oh, well, I wouldn’t do this if I didn’t think I could win. That’s what a lot of conflict comes down to. You add that with a lot of all the tension and all the problems that we have in this country,
[01:29:27] Ray: it’s a, it’s a fucking pain. Powder cake. But I don’t think we’re, for a lot of us, we’re not there yet. But for some people, they’re already there and they’re
[01:29:36] Ray: just waiting for the whistle to blow. So, I think it’s the ideology. What about
[01:29:42] Cameron: Yeah. Out of those 10, I think an ideological war is where you’re headed, uh, where the United States is most likely going to split. And with where you’re at now, I don’t, I think the way, if I had to guess how it would play out, it’s a combination of things, but you know, and I thought this the
[01:30:07] Cameron: last time around, and I’ve been thinking this for the last eight or nine years, is. I can imagine a couple of scenarios. One scenario is where Trump gets assassinated. And, uh, whoever replaces him, J. D. Vance, let’s say, decides that, to blame it, rightly or wrongly, on radical leftists, and they, um, crack down. So they implement a version of martial law, they crack down, they start arresting anyone who’s ever expressed a leftist opinion on Twitter, Facebook, and Um, eventually the, the victims try and fight back and, and then people, militias or whatever in states, the states start to do some of the same things.
[01:31:03] Cameron: Some of the red states, uh, some of the militias in the blue states start to take it upon themselves to start rounding up radical leftists, atheists, pro abortionists, homosexuals, trans, LGBTQ, whatever
[01:31:20] Cameron: it is. The Jews.
[01:31:23] Cameron: we love, we love Israel, but we hate the Jews. Um, whatever it is.
[01:31:29] Cameron: Uh, so that’s one way that kind of a thing can happen.
[01:31:32] Cameron: The other thing is similar in
[01:31:36] Cameron: that either as some other event happens, the burning of the Reichstag is the other example for this, right? A manufactured event. That creates a justification for a
[01:31:51] Cameron: crackdown on your ideological enemies in the country. The,
[01:31:58] Cameron: um, or the other thing is, it doesn’t need to be,
[01:32:05] Cameron: prefaced by that kind of, uh, justification.
[01:32:10] Cameron: It’s just a crackdown. Okay. So if, if you’re Trump and you’ve decided that, um, you’re the biggest threat
[01:32:22] Cameron: to your political career, uh, political
[01:32:25] Cameron: career, uh, and the career, the business career of all of your friends is. People agitating, you know, unions agitating, leftists agitating, people talking about, you know, your crimes or whatever it is, you just move to outlaw that,
[01:32:44] Cameron: you know,
[01:32:44] Ray: Yeah. Preemptive.
[01:32:46] Cameron: Yeah, you just start shutting stuff down and eventually somebody fights back against that.
[01:32:53] Cameron: There’s a retaliation and that just starts to build and it turns into a civil
[01:32:59] Cameron: The America, this is what I’ve been saying for decades, America is a tinderbox and it won’t take much for it to explode, particularly as
[01:33:10] Cameron: trust in the institutions
[01:33:12] Cameron: of government are whittled away. Right now, subreddits,
[01:33:17] Cameron: they believe that. Everyone in the government is corrupt. If I go into the Democratic subreddits,
[01:33:28] Cameron: Conservative side of government is corrupt.
[01:33:32] Cameron: the other side is corrupt. And then you’ve got the non voters who believe that it’s all corrupt. So you
[01:33:37] Cameron: got the Reds, the
[01:33:40] Cameron: and the fucking you’re all corrupt
[01:33:42] Ray: Neutral. Right? Right.
[01:33:45] Cameron: Um, it’s a tinderbox
[01:33:47] Cameron: waiting to happen. Um,
[01:33:50] Cameron: so I, I just, I have thought for a long time and I continue to think and it gets worse every year that that’s what you’re looking for. And of course that ideological war will be supported by foreign intervention. China. Russia, Iran, um, all of the countries that you’ve fucked with, uh,
[01:34:10] Cameron: if not
[01:34:11] Cameron: centuries,
[01:34:12] Ray: Fucked back.
[01:34:13] Cameron: do whatever they can do to try and support, uh, division in the country.
[01:34:21] Cameron: I did see like a day or so before the election
[01:34:25] Cameron: media coverage saying the Russians are trying to cause division in the country.
[01:34:31] Cameron: It’s like, yeah, the Russians don’t need to, aren’t the ones causing division in the
[01:34:35] Ray: No. Save your money.
[01:34:37] Cameron: Yeah,
[01:34:38] Ray: Save your money, Russia. We got this. We can do this ourselves.
[01:34:42] Cameron: fuck me. Anyway,
[01:34:46] Ray: but, but, that article is an attempt at internal division. you want
[01:34:54] Ray: people on the left to get angry, the
[01:34:56] Ray: people on the right or Russia.
[01:34:57] Ray: I mean, even that’s an example of just stirring the pot. Anyway, I couldn’t let that pass.
[01:35:03] Cameron: well there was another article, depending on how this election turned out, that I was going to read, I saw a number of articles in the New York Times and the mainstream media just before the election that was There was saying that the polling that was being shared in conservative media channels before the election and I saw a lot of this happening, that was saying Trump was going to win by a landslide, was all manufactured and bad polling because As they were gearing up for when Trump lost to be able to say, well, obviously the election was stolen because our polling said it was going to be a landslide and it wasn’t, therefore the election was stolen.
[01:35:56] Cameron: And so the New York Times were pushing this narrative that, well, all of the other polls say that it’s going to be really close. So these polls were obviously wrong. Corrupt and deliberately manipulated because they’re going to justify this argument after the election. Turns out, they were right and he didn’t win by a landslide.
[01:36:18] Cameron: And so, again, the New York Times had no fucking idea what they were talking about.
[01:36:28] Cameron: Oh, by the way, Alan
[01:36:29] Cameron: Lichtman, we did a show on the 13 keys.
[01:36:33] Ray: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:36:34] Cameron: He and his son
[01:36:35] Cameron: did a 6 hour live coverage of the election on their
[01:36:38] Cameron: YouTube channel, which I watched the
[01:36:40] Cameron: last 10 minutes of. Uh,
[01:36:43] Cameron: you want to see somebody who’s depressed and re evaluating his life choices right
[01:36:47] Cameron: It’s Alan Lichtman.
[01:36:51] Ray: well, he’s still, he’s still more right than he is wrong, that’s something, right? Is this the guy that guessed, uh, correctly guessed the last six or nine presidential elections, or am I thinking of somebody else?
[01:37:04] Cameron: No, yeah, yeah.
[01:37:06] Cameron: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:37:09] Ray: Oh no, I’m sure he’s like
[01:37:10] Cameron: went horribly wrong.
[01:37:12] Ray: Yes. Yes.
[01:37:15] Cameron: in fairness, he did say in the lead up to this election,
[01:37:18] Cameron: look, um, my keys were built by studying the true, you know, historical elections, which
[01:37:25] Cameron: were traditional elections and Trump is not a traditional
[01:37:28] Cameron: candidate. This is not a traditional election we’re going into and it could, uh, completely,
[01:37:38] Cameron: know, Throw everything up in the air and, and he was right.
[01:37:43] Cameron: Like by any traditional metric, Trump should not even have been a candidate
[01:37:50] Cameron: in 2015, let alone 2024. So
[01:37:56] Cameron: all bets were basically off.
[01:37:59] Cameron: But anyway, so there
[01:37:59] Ray: Right. Right.
[01:38:02] Cameron: The only winner in this election, apart from Donald Trump, was Tony Kynaston because a couple of months ago when Kamala got the nomination, Tony took out bets both ways.
[01:38:12] Cameron: He took out a bet for Trump to win and a bet for Kamala to win.
[01:38:18] Ray: He’s good.
[01:38:19] Cameron: Yeah.
[01:38:25] Cameron: Anyway, to sum all of that up, America is deep, deep fucking problems, and it’s not about Trump.
[01:38:31] Cameron: It’s about the system. It’s about late stage capitalism. It’s about billionaires getting to decide who wins elections. It’s about both of your major parties being absolutely and thoroughly corrupted
[01:38:46] Cameron: by the industrial
[01:38:47] Cameron: military complex.
[01:38:49] Cameron: It’s about the lack of education. In the American population, about how your country works, about how much propaganda you’ve been fed over the course of your life, about,
[01:39:03] Cameron: uh, everything, like, just, it’s, it’s fucked from the ground up. Um, and I’m not trying to be mean, and I’m not saying that Australia doesn’t have similar problems, or any other country doesn’t have similar problems, we all do, because we’re all living in this era of late stage capitalism, where money is, I mean, we don’t have billionaires able to write books.
[01:39:27] Cameron: Blank checks in our elections, but we do have billionaires that control the media, that can control the narrative, and Rupert Murdoch gets to control the narrative, and a lot of people here are fucking stupid and believe everything they read in the media as well, etc. So we have a lot of the same sort of problems, but these are all problems of late stage capitalism of the rich elite.
[01:39:50] Cameron: That are manufacturing the consent of the people using the tools at their disposal to get the people to do what they want them to do in order to try and make sure that the people don’t rise up and demand more equality. economic equality, political equality, etc, etc.
[01:40:11] Cameron: We’re being manipulated on a daily basis by the rich elite and most people, you know, uh, don’t even realize how much they’re being manipulated.
[01:40:24] Cameron: And I don’t know what to do about it, honestly, except AI. I continue to believe that our only hope is AI. And here’s the other fucking kicker. We’re going to
[01:40:31] Cameron: get probably artificial general intelligence in the next four years. Donald Trump. He’s not the guy
[01:40:38] Cameron: you want to be in power when that happens, but Elon Musk maybe is.
[01:40:44] Cameron: Like Elon was the co founder of OpenAI and he’s just built the biggest AI data center on the planet for XAI. Um, he’s a big believer in AI. He’s a big believer in the future of AI and humans and making sure it goes
[01:41:06] Cameron: well. If he doesn’t have a falling out with Trump. And I give that, you know,
[01:41:11] Cameron: 90 percent chances that he will within three months.
[01:41:15] Cameron: If somehow they’re able to keep their
[01:41:17] Cameron: egos in check, uh, we might have basically it like,
[01:41:22] Cameron: I’d hate to be the guys that open AI right now. Um, yeah. Uh, Elon in charge of
[01:41:28] Cameron: AI, Trump in charge of AI, bad. Elon in charge of AI,
[01:41:34] Cameron: maybe not so bad.
[01:41:35] Cameron: I don’t
[01:41:38] Ray: Ha ha ha. Okay. When you publish this episode, please put out Maybe. a don’t listen to right before you go to sleep warning because I’m going to have nightmares tonight thinking about that. Thank you. Thank you.
[01:41:54] Cameron: anyone who doesn’t know that about these shows by now,
[01:41:56] Cameron: yeah, I will put a
[01:41:58] Ray: Good point.
[01:41:59] Cameron: yeah.
[01:41:59] Ray: Good point.
[01:42:01] Cameron: Well, once again, congratulations America, you fucked it.
[01:42:05] Cameron: Yet again. Congratulations, well done.
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