The Business Philosopher Within You

Are clients buying you, or the company you built?

Every founder's taste is part of what the first clients buy. Cat How does not pretend otherwise. What she is working out is whether HOW+HOW needs her there, or only prefers it.

Cat founded HOW+HOW with her husband Roger in 2020, after building and selling an e-commerce business for designer makers and running a set of coworking spaces for creatives.

The agency now has a team of about 25 across studios in London and Los Angeles. It is a certified B Corp, it publishes every salary tier to the whole team, and it will not take workfrom oil and gas companies. Before any of it, Cat was a design critic for a national newspaper. She has since served as jury president for D&AD.

In this conversation, we explore the difference between a founder-centric company and a founder-dependent one, the questions Cat asks herself to tell which she is running, what happened when she and Roger proposed taking their own name off the company, and the habit her creative directors keep asking her to drop.

In this conversation, we explore:

• "Is my point of view written down anywhere, or does it only exist in my head?" The questions Cat asks herself about her own company

• Why "it isn't how present you are, it's whether my presence is required or just preferred"

• What happened when the founders wanted their name gone and the team said no

• Why an agency built on its founder's taste is proud not to have a house style

• The interview question about a mistake that hurt someone, and what it reveals about ego

• Why every salary tier at HOW+HOW is pinned in the company Slack

"Are clients buying you, or the company you built?" is not only a question for agency founders. It's also a question for anyone whose expertise is what the client thinks they are paying for, in a consultancy, a practice or a firm with their name on the door. And it's worth asking if your team has ever waited a day for you to look at something they could have decided themselves.

If you're building a company you hope will outlast you, this conversation is about the line between a company that carries your point of view and one that cannot move without it.

CHAPTERS

00:00:00 Are They Buying You or the Company You Built?

00:02:57 Who Are You to Judge Someone Else's Work?

00:09:12 Would You Publish Everyone's Salary?

00:12:25 How Much of You Should Be in the Brand?

00:18:53 Would Clients Still Buy If You Weren't Making the Sale?

00:20:35 Is Your Presence Required… or Just Preferred?

00:24:52 Would You Take Your Own Name Off the Company?

00:28:45 How Does Your Taste Reach Your Newest Hire?

00:31:31 Would You Hire Without Reading a CV?

00:37:17 Is It Ego… or Do They Just Care?

00:42:24 Could Someone Else Do What You Do?

00:45:31 What's the First Thing You'd Let Go Of?

00:48:44 What Would Your Future CEO Wish You Had Done?

00:52:50 What Does Nobody See From the Outside?

00:59:08 What Keeps You Grounded When Everything Moves?

📚 Deep Dive, Show Notes and Reference Reading: https://www.awayre.com/founder-centric-founder-dependent-cat-how/

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🌐 HOW+HOW: https://how.studio/

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Can you give someone ownership, or can you only invite them to find it?

This episode is about psychological ownership, the feeling that something is yours, and why it is stronger than the legal kind.

Equity, options, profit sharing, a bonus tied to the numbers. None of it is a mistake. "Those things are fair. They're often the right thing to do. And let's face it, in a lot of companies, they're long overdue." They are also all outside the person, and the feeling we are after is inside them.

Here is the stake. "I don't think the performance you're looking for is outside your company waiting to be hired. I think much of it is already there." It is sitting in people who could bring far more than they currently bring, and what is missing is often not effort. It is the relationship they have with the work.

In this episode, we explore what happens inside a person when something becomes theirs, why that changes how they think, feel and behave, why the usual ways of manufacturing ownership do not work, and one twenty minute conversation you can have this week with a single direct report.

In this episode, we explore:

• Why "a share certificate is a legal fact" and nobody has ever defended one the way they defend themselves
• What actually happens inside a person as "this is mine" quietly becomes "this is me"
• Two questions to ask a direct report, in the order that makes them work
• Why "you're not collecting answers, you're watching what happens to them"
• How the same ownership that makes somebody formidable can make them territorial, defensive and unable to hand anything over

"Can you give someone ownership, or can you only invite them to find it?" is not only a founder's question. It belongs to the manager whose team does the job and goes home, to the executive who cannot work out why a capable group is only half present, and to anyone who has watched someone treat a side project or a parent teacher organization as though the place were theirs. It is also a question to turn around. You legally own your company. Do you psychologically own it the way you did in the first year?

If you want people who think, feel and act more like owners, without becoming possessive or territorial, this episode offers a place to start that has almost nothing to do with money.

A note on the term. Bhavesh arrived at "psychological ownership" independently, in his own work, without exposure to the research. The same term had already been in use in organizational research since the early 2000s (Pierce, Kostova and Dirks, 2001). What he presents here is his own, original thinking.

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Chapters

0:00 Why Your People Don't Feel Ownership the Way You Do

0:33 Who Acts Like the Place Is Theirs?

1:11 What's Your Biggest Problem?

2:59 Do You Need All the Answers?

3:34 What If Money Were Off the Table?

5:29 What Are You Actually Watching For?

7:01 Can Equity Create Ownership?

8:07 Does This Feeling Have a Name?

9:29 Do You Still Own It the Way You Did in Year One?

10:21 What Happens When Something Becomes Yours?

11:52 When Does Mine Become… Me?

13:22 Formidable… or Territorial?

14:43 What Changes When You Can See It?

16:48 How Can Two Odd Questions Do Anything?

18:37 Who Asks You the Questions?

19:16 Where Is the Performance You're Looking For?

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📚 https://www.awayre.com/psychological-ownership-why-employees-dont-act-like-owners/

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What do you do when the company you built becomes you?

And what happens to your identity when you sell the company you built?

In this conversation, John Hutchinson shares practical strategies he implemented for "zooming in and zooming out" of his business which led to successful business and a subsequent exit.

John co-founded CARE Counseling with his wife Andrea after a third of her doctoral cohort left the profession within two years of qualifying. The company grew roughly 70 percent a year for a decade with no debt and no outside equity, reaching more than 300 employees serving 60,000 clients before it was acquired by Optum, a UnitedHealth company. Along the way it earned recognition from Inc. 5000, Fast 50 and Best Places to Work. Today he is a Venture Partner at Headwater Ventures and the author of the forthcoming Forbes book, The Nuance Effect.

In this conversation, we explore why a founder cannot see his own company from the outside, what it costs to find out, the deliberately strange things John did to borrow other people's eyes, and how he worked out which group of people the whole business actually rested on.

In this conversation, we explore:

• Why he told his competitors what had failed, to the irritation of his own leadership team

• What happens to a service business when average tenure goes from eighteen months to thirty-six

• Why he spent five years taking acquisition calls he had no intention of accepting

• "It's kryptonite and a superpower." What a company becoming your identity gives you, and what it takes

• Why Jersey Mike's is the business he points to, and what "compound interest is a gift from God" means for a founder

• Which group in a service business quietly carries everything, and why favoring them leaves everyone else better off

"What do you do when the company you built becomes you?" is not only a question for founders who have sold. It's also a question for anyone still building who can already feel the work taking up more of them than they meant to give. And it is worth sitting with if you run something you have not been able to step away from for two weeks.

If you are building a company you hope will outlast you, this conversation is about the part that rarely gets said out loud. Not whether the company can survive without you. Whether you can.

CHAPTERS

00:00 What Do You Do When the Company You Built Becomes You?

03:29 What Would Make Your Best People Quit the Profession?

11:58 Is Work Part of Your Life… or Part of You?

18:17 How Long Before a New Hire Pays You Back?

20:23 Would You Tell a Candidate What You're Bad At?

22:39 What Happens If You Give the Answer Away?

28:16 Do You Sell When It's Right… or When You're Done?

33:09 Would You Let a Buyer Audit You Five Years Early?

38:13 Which of Your People Actually Moves the Needle?

45:08 Where Can You Actually Win?

50:29 How Big Does Your Company Actually Need to Be?

55:08 Who Tells You What You Don't Want to Hear?

56:21 Who Are You Once It's Sold?

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Episode Show Notes and Deep Dive

https://www.awayre.com/too-close-to-see-founder-identity-blind-spot/

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🔗 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-j-hutchinson/

🌐 Headwater Ventures: https://headwater.vc/

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We've talked quite a bit on this podcast about founder dependency: what happens when a business becomes dependent on its founder for decisions, problem-solving, direction and leadership.

But there's another side to that relationship.

What happens when the founder becomes dependent on the business?

For identity. For accomplishment. For status. For security. For a sense of being needed.

When the business depends on the founder and the founder depends on the business, I've been calling this Founder Co-Dependency.

And this relationship can have structural consequences.

The way a founder identifies with the business can influence where decisions are made, how authority is distributed, how responsibility is assigned and how people throughout the organization learn to operate.

In this episode, we explore how Founder Co-Dependency develops, why it isn't necessarily a bad thing, where it can become limiting and why changing the founder's relationship with the business may need to happen alongside changes to organizational structure.

You'll also get a simple 20-minute exercise designed to help you create some space between yourself and your business and begin seeing your organization from a different perspective.

And we end with another question:

Can you own something without allowing it to own you?

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CHAPTERS

0:00 Why Your Business Can't Grow Beyond You

1:43 What If the Dependency Runs Both Ways?

3:32 Who Asks the Better Questions?

4:09 Can You Leave for Twenty Minutes?

6:48 Are You Playing the Game… or Inside It?

8:38 When Does a Role Become Who You Are?

9:36 What Does the Business Give You?

10:32 Did You Ever Decide Any of This?

11:18 Is Your Identity Running the Org Chart?

13:34 What Can a System Never Decide for You?

14:35 Where Does Authority Actually Live?

15:23 Who Else Does Everyone Depend On?

16:24 What Fits in the Gap?

17:29 Why Would Twenty Minutes Change Anything?

19:55 Who Really Owns Your Business?

20:42 What Will You Change This Week?

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Episode Show Notes and Deep Dive

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Can you lead a culture you didn't create?

Most leaders are told to put their stamp on the culture. Eric Giesecke inherited one and did the opposite. He never tried to make it his.

In 2015, Eric acquired Planet DDS through a search fund, with no background in dentistry and none in software. The company had 25 employees, a go-to-market team of three and one customer that accounted for 15 to 20 percent of revenue. Ten years later it serves over 13,000 dental practices across North America, employs roughly 350 people, works with more than half of the 60 largest dental organizations in the country, and its revenue team alone has grown from three people to 75.

In this conversation, we explore how an outsider earns credibility, why a company's values should be a reflection rather than an imprint, what breaks when a CEO can no longer meet every new hire, and how culture survives once one person can no longer hold it.

In this conversation, we explore:

• Why the famous culture decks are the wrong place to find your own company's values
• What a CEO loses at employee 100, and what has to replace him
• Why "middle management is the death of motivation," and what comes after it
• How culture ends up carried by the people at the happy hour and the pickup basketball game rather than by the CEO
• Why a company is safer when its next leaders step up from inside than when a new CEO is brought in
• What a leader should refuse to compromise on, even in a culture that was never his

"Can you lead a culture you didn't create?" is not only a question for leaders who bought their company. It's also a question for founders who acquire and absorb other teams. It's worth revisiting for anyone whose company grows past the point where they know everyone in it.

If you are building a company you hope will outlast you, this conversation offers a different place to start. Not with what you would put into the culture, but with what was already there.

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CHAPTERS

00:00:00 Can You Lead a Culture You Didn't Create?

00:03:34 Would You Buy a Company You Know Nothing About?

00:06:12 What Happens When Nobody Chose You?

00:10:19 What Were You Really Buying?

00:13:13 What Exactly Is a Search Fund?

00:17:30 Do You Lead First… or Listen First?

00:21:57 Can You Inherit Values?

00:30:40 How Do You Know a Culture Is Real?

00:36:44 Can One Customer Change Everything?

00:40:34 Does Leadership Get Harder… or Lonelier?

00:43:47 Can the Company Run Without You?

00:47:25 How Many People Can One Leader Actually Carry?

00:51:00 Which Decision Changed Everything?

00:54:53 What Breaks After Employee 100?

00:59:53 Getting In Touch With Eric Giesecke

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Episode Show Notes and Deep Dive

https://www.awayre.com/founders-span-of-culture/

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🔗 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eric-giesecke-5657513/

🌐 Planet DDS: https://www.planetdds.com/

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Can emotion make you a better founder?

Most leaders spend years sharpening their intellect. Mike LeBlanc believes the learning that changes a founder runs deeper. It's emotional.

After serving 13 years as a Marine Corps officer, Mike co-founded Cobalt Robotics, which grew to a $360 million valuation. Today, he is co-founder of Foundation Future Industries, building humanoid robots with a long-term vision of creating a $50 billion company.

In this conversation, we explore why founder growth is deeply personal, how emotion shapes leadership, why startups become bureaucratic, and what it takes to keep evolving as your company grows.

In this conversation, we explore:

• Why Brian Chesky believes companies grow only as fast as founders learn
• What Aristotle understood about emotion that many leaders still miss
• How a startup became "more bureaucratic than the Pentagon" with only 60 people
• Why emotional growth often matters more than intellectual growth
• What founders must become as their companies evolve

If you're building a company that you hope will outlast you, this conversation offers a different way to think about leadership, growth and organizational evolution.

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CHAPTERS

00:00:00 Learning Is Emotional, Not Intellectual

00:04:05 Why Did Aristotle Change the Way You Thought About Emotion?

00:12:17 When Did This Philosophy Get Tested in Real Life?

00:19:13 Brian Chesky's Lesson Every Founder Should Hear

00:22:24 When Did Learning Become Painful for You as a Founder?

00:27:36 How Did a 60-Person Startup Become More Bureaucratic Than the Pentagon?

00:37:42 How to Continuously Reinvent Yourself?

00:43:42 How Do You Lead Founders, Investors and Brilliant Engineers at the Same Time?

00:51:36 What Does It Really Mean to Build a $50 Billion Company?

01:02:30 Are Great Companies Built More on Emotion Than Intelligence?

01:08:18 Why Is Building a Company a Spiritual Journey?

01:09:45 Looking Back, How Has Mike LeBlanc Changed?

01:13:22 Getting In Touch and the Book : "What If Anger Is the Answer?"

01:15:07 Behind the Scenes Thoughts

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Episode Show Notes and Deep Dive

📚 Deep Dive, Show Notes and Reference Reading: https://www.awayre.com/learning-that-changes-founders/

Connect with Mike LeBlanc

🔗 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-leblanc-20783b114/

🌐 Foundation Future Industries: https://foundation.bot/

🌐 Mike LeBlanc: https://officialmikeleblanc.com/

Connect with Bhavesh Naik

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The Business Philosopher Within You Podcast

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Most founders assume the next barrier to growth is external.

A tougher market. Stronger competitors. Hiring challenges. Economic uncertainty.

Matt Lescault believes the biggest barrier is usually much closer.

He calls it the Founder Glass Ceiling.

In this episode of The Business Philosopher Within You, Matt shares how he grew TydeCo from a $1,500 startup launched from a college attic into a multinational consulting and cloud technology firm with more than 120 employees across the United States, Canada, and South Africa.

Along the way, he encountered a series of invisible ceilings that couldn't be solved by working harder. Each one demanded that he evolve as a leader before the business could continue to grow.

Together, we explore why founders become the constraint in their own organizations, how limiting beliefs shape business outcomes, and why building a company that can outgrow its founder begins with the founder changing first.

In this episode:

• What a Founder Glass Ceiling is and how to recognize it
• Why self-awareness is a founder's greatest competitive advantage
• How limiting beliefs quietly prevent business growth
• The emotional reality of scaling through acquisitions
• Why vision alone eventually stops working
• Building systems and leadership teams that reduce founder dependency
• How founders evolve as their organizations grow
• What it takes to build a self-sustaining organization

Whether you're leading a startup, a growing company, or an established business, this conversation will challenge how you think about leadership, growth, and the invisible barriers that stand between your business and its next stage of evolution.

CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 Every Founder Hits a Glass Ceiling

00:03:42 It Started With $1,500... But That Wasn't the Real Risk

00:16:38 The First Glass Ceiling Isn't in Your Business

00:19:00 The Advantage Most People Never Develop

00:25:12 The Scariest Decision of His Career

00:30:35 The Beliefs That Create Glass Ceilings

00:42:52 When Vision Alone Stops Working

00:50:39 Who You Build With Changes Everything

00:58:26 Becoming Someone Your Younger Self Wouldn't Recognize

01:01:10 How Do You Stay Grounded While Everything Changes?

01:04:56 One Final Lesson About Breaking Through

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🌐 TydeCo: https://tydeco.com/

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The Business Philosopher Within You Podcast

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You've installed systems.

You've documented processes.

Maybe you've implemented SOPs, EOS®, or other operating frameworks.

And yet, somehow, the business still comes back to you.

Why?

Because systems solve operational problems, but they don't solve founder dependency.

In this episode, we explore why systems were revolutionary, why they remain important, and why they cannot, by themselves, create self-sustaining organizations.

We also discuss an important shift from static systems to living organizations built on principles, culture, and human intelligence.

Topics include:

• Why systems and SOPs matter
• Why founders remain the bottleneck
• Why creating systems often feels so draining
• Natural intelligence vs. artificial intelligence
• Why founder dependency is structural, not merely psychological
• One simple question you can ask this week to begin reducing dependency
• Building a business that outlives its founder

If you want to build a self-sustaining organization that can scale beyond its founder and stand the test of time, this episode is for you.

Chapters:

00:00⁠ Do You Actually Enjoy Building Systems?

00:51⁠ There Is a Better Way

01:48⁠ You are Your Own Best Business Philosopher

02:13⁠ Systems Were Revolutionary for a Reason

03:11⁠ Why Are You Still the Bottleneck?

03:35⁠ The Shift That Changes Everything

05:11⁠ Natural Intelligence vs Artificial Intelligence

06:51⁠ Founder Dependency Is Structural

08:46⁠ One Question to Ask This Week

09:56⁠ How Dependent Is Your Business?

10:28⁠ Founder Dependency Has Two Sides

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https://www.awayre.com/systems-dont-build-self-sustaining-organizations/

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Explore the Deeper Truths Underneath Founder Dependency with These Solo Episodes:

Solo Episode #1: To build a truly self-sustaining organization, you need to become your own best business philosopher:

https://www.awayre.com/business-philosopher-inner-wisdom/

Solo Episode #2: The humanness of your people is the true life of your business:

https://www.awayre.com/sustainable-business-human-factors/

Founder Dependency Snapshot

Most founders haven’t built a company. They’ve built a job they can’t quit. See if your business holds without you, and what it takes to make sure it does.

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What happens when the very strengths that helped build an organization become the things that hold it back?

In this episode of The Business Philosopher Within You, Bhavesh Naik sits down with Luke Mickelson, founder of Sleep in Heavenly Peace, to explore Founder Syndrome and the often-overlooked challenges that emerge as organizations grow beyond their founders.

What began as a single act of service in Luke's garage grew into one of the largest volunteer-driven movements in the world, with more than 400 chapters and hundreds of thousands of beds delivered to children in need. Along the way, Luke encountered a challenge familiar to many entrepreneurs, business owners, and nonprofit leaders: how do you evolve when the organization no longer needs you in the same way it once did?

Together, Bhavesh and Luke explore founder dependency, identity fusion, organizational structure, leadership development, volunteer-driven cultures, and the emotional work required to transition from builder to architect of a self-sustaining organization.

This conversation is particularly relevant for founders, CEOs, business owners, and mission-driven leaders who want to build organizations that can thrive beyond their direct involvement.

In This Episode

• What Founder Syndrome is and why it affects successful leaders
• How founders unintentionally become organizational bottlenecks
• The dangers of founder dependency
• Building systems that reduce reliance on the founder
• Leading volunteers without traditional incentives
• The role of purpose, passion, and service in organizational culture
• Self-awareness as a leadership discipline
• The concept of the "relevance wound"
• Luke's Builder → Architect → Anchor → Ambassador framework
• Building a legacy that outlives the founder

Chapters:

00:00:00 Introduction

00:05:00 When Service Became a Mission

00:15:00 When Founder and Mission Become One

00:17:37 When Passion Meets Scale

00:25:10 Structure Creates Freedom

00:29:54 The Power of Passion

00:41:39 When Passion Becomes the Problem

00:50:00 Looking in the Mirror

00:56:17 Naming the Monster

01:00:16 Creating a Self-Aware Organization

01:03:50 Builder → Architect → Ambassador

01:16:15 Building a Legacy That Outlives You

About the Guest

Luke Mickelson is the founder of Sleep in Heavenly Peace, a nonprofit organization dedicated to ensuring that no child sleeps on the floor. Since its founding in 2012, Sleep in Heavenly Peace has grown into a global movement with more than 400 chapters across the United States and internationally, mobilizing tens of thousands of volunteers and delivering hundreds of thousands of beds to children in need.

About The Business Philosopher Within You

The Business Philosopher Within You explores the philosophies, decisions, and leadership journeys behind organizations built to outlast their founders.

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What role does awareness play in founder success?

In this conversation, technology entrepreneur Vishwanath Alluri shares lessons from building and selling companies in exits totaling hundreds of millions of dollars, and how the teachings of J. Krishnamurti shaped his understanding of leadership, clarity, management, and meaningful work.

Vishwanath Alluri built and sold companies in exits totaling hundreds of millions of dollars. Yet even while pursuing extraordinary business success, he continued questioning conventional ideas about achievement, leadership, and the purpose of work itself.

Vish shares his journey from founding IMISoft and IMImobile to exploring the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and their influence on management, organizational culture, awareness, and decision-making.

Together, we explore the relationship between outer success and inner riches, why clarity begins with understanding confusion, the role of awareness in leadership, and what it means to build organizations around human beings rather than systems alone.

This conversation is for founders, CEOs, executives, and thoughtful leaders who sense that leadership involves more than strategy, metrics, and execution.

Topics Discussed:

• Building IMISoft and IMImobile
• Scaling and exiting technology companies
• Founder success and fulfillment
• Awareness and leadership
• J. Krishnamurti's influence on management
• Understanding confusion and clarity
• Organizational culture and human relationships
• Inner riches versus outer success
• The art of questioning
• The ideas behind The Enlightened Manager

About Vishwanath Alluri

Vishwanath Alluri is a technology entrepreneur, author, and former CEO who founded IMISoft and IMImobile, companies that grew into global businesses and were ultimately acquired by Ramboll and Cisco in exits totaling hundreds of millions of dollars. He serves as Secretary of the Krishnamurti Foundation India and is co-author of The Enlightened Manager.

About the Podcast

The Business Philosopher Within You explores the thinking behind leaders who build self-sustaining organizations that outlast them.

Chapters

00:00 A Founder Who Questioned Success

02:02 Building IMISoft From Scratch

05:13 The Exits That Changed Everything

11:36 Why Success Wasn't Enough

15:35 The Inner Shift Begins

20:06 Discovering a Different Kind of Success

24:39 Krishnamurti and the Nature of Awareness

30:09 Why Most Leadership Lacks Clarity

37:00 "Management Is Preventing Goof-Ups"

43:59 Confusion, Culture, and Leadership

48:46 Building Organizations Around Human Beings

52:23 Watching Without Judgment

53:46 Leadership as a Living Process

56:11 Outer Riches vs. Inner Riches

59:29 The Power of Asking Questions

01:01:19 What Does "Enlightened" Really Mean?

01:06:33 The Enlightened Manager

01:08:50 The Legacy of J. Krishnamurti

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