Hello everyone and welcome to The Civic Podcast!
Here is Part 2 of my conversation with Natalie Mlikota. The topic started shifting towards racial matters and policing, but the essence of the USA remained intact. I stand by my word that the specific movements in each country cannot be copied to another, something that has widely happened with the BLM movement for example.
Precision: When we were speaking about black citizens' rights in the U.S and the U.K, and where it cannot be compared it was through examples like voting rights in the latter were never racially biased by legislation, contrary to what we could see in the US throughout the 20th century ; they were gender/status biased however. The UK was also leading in some way black rights, a bit too late but there is a significant difference with the US. This is not to say that the U.K doesn't have its fair share of conversations to have regarding colonialism, and I'm not an expert either to speak freely about the matter at this point. Furthermore, I don't discard the possibility of having said something that isn't true or maybe half true, most likely caused by a lack of intense knowledge in the wide topic that is colonialism (mea culpa). However I will stand by my point that we cannot keep saying that our institutions and societal structures (currently) are systemically racist as a consequence of our past sins, or at least, not so easily.
I was also a bit reluctant to comment on everything or start a debate as I don't know the reality in the U.S as much, which I can also say for the U.K as a matter of fact. Nevertheless, it does seem important to hear these arguments from the other side of the pond and think about what has been said. Future episodes will include these matters with a little more fundament, so we can really lay out what the differences between the two continents are.
I hope you enjoy!