(00:00-8:45): Brian and Aubrey discussed a “TGC Talks” Video from The Gospel Coalition where “Sam Allberry addresses the reasons Christian pastors have become less trustworthy in society, and how they might become trusted again.”

(8:45-25:59): Mike Cosper, Director of Podcasting for Christianity Today and Host of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and Cultivated: A Podcast about Faith and Work, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and his book, “Recapturing the Wonder: Transcendent Faith in a Disenchanted World.”

Learn more about Mike at mikedcosper.com and connect with him on Twitter at @MikeCosper

*This interview originally aired on 7/14/21*

(25:59-34:23): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on a quote from Rick Warren, 

“Our culture’s accepted two huge lies: 

1. If you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them.
2. To love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do.

Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”  

(34:23-43:28): How can we love others even when it’s difficult? Brian and Aubrey chatted about this and discussed Jackie Hill Perry’s tweet, “To be honest, I really don’t like people but Jesus told me that I’m supposed to love them. Pray for me because the whole love thing is a struggle.”

(43:28-1:01:47): Karen Swallow Prior, Research Professor of English and Christianity & Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and Author of “On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books,” joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her Religion News Service articles, “Don’t believe in systemic racism? Let’s talk about the sexual revolution.” and “The social-media-examined life is not the one that sustains us.”   

Learn more about Karen and her books at karenswallowprior.com and connect with her on Twitter at @KSPrior

*This interview originally aired on 7/13/21*

(1:01:47-1:10:05): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Tish Harrison Warren’s Christianity Today article, “The American Church Is a Mess. But I’m Still Hopeful.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-8:45): Brian and Aubrey discussed a “TGC Talks” Video from The Gospel Coalition where “Sam Allberry addresses the reasons Christian pastors have become less trustworthy in society, and how they might become trusted again.”

(8:45-25:59): Mike Cosper, Director of Podcasting for Christianity Today and Host of The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and Cultivated: A Podcast about Faith and Work, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and his book, “Recapturing the Wonder: Transcendent Faith in a Disenchanted World.”

Learn more about Mike at mikedcosper.com and connect with him on Twitter at @MikeCosper

*This interview originally aired on 7/14/21*

(25:59-34:23): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on a quote from Rick Warren, 

“Our culture’s accepted two huge lies: 

If you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them.

To love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do.

Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”  

(34:23-43:28): How can we love others even when it’s difficult? Brian and Aubrey chatted about this and discussed Jackie Hill Perry’s tweet, “To be honest, I really don’t like people but Jesus told me that I’m supposed to love them. Pray for me because the whole love thing is a struggle.”

(43:28-1:01:47): Karen Swallow Prior, Research Professor of English and Christianity & Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and Author of “On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books,” joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her Religion News Service articles, “Don’t believe in systemic racism? Let’s talk about the sexual revolution.” and “The social-media-examined life is not the one that sustains us.”   

Learn more about Karen and her books at karenswallowprior.com and connect with her on Twitter at @KSPrior

*This interview originally aired on 7/13/21*

(1:01:47-1:10:05): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Tish Harrison Warren’s Christianity Today article, “The American Church Is a Mess. But I’m Still Hopeful.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-9:14): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Peter Newman’s Gospel Coalition article, “Why Do We Go to Church? Because We’re Forgetful. 

(9:14-26:27): Clarissa Moll, Author, Co-Host of Christianity Today’s “Surprised by Grief” podcast, and Host of the weekly Hope*Writers podcast joined Brian and Aubrey to talk about finding God’s hope in the midst of grief, her Gospel Coalition article “Life Is Reopening. Why Am I Still So Sad?” and the new edition of her husband, Rob Moll’s book, “The Art of Dying: Living Fully into the Life to Come.”

Learn more about Clarissa at clarissamoll.com and connect with her on instagram at mollclarissa

*This interview originally aired on 6/29/21*

(26:27-35:25): What’s the difference between having knowledge about God and knowing God through a personal relationship? Brian and Aubrey chatted about this topic and commented on a clip of Preston Sprinkle’s recent interview with Francis Chan.  

(35:25-44:06): Brian and Aubrey chatted about Tim Keller’s Relevant Magazine article, “You Never Marry the Right Person.” 

(44:06-1:03:15): Dr. Caroline Leaf, Cognitive Neuroscientist, Bestselling Author, and Host of the podcast, “Cleaning Up The Mental Mess,” joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her new book, “Cleaning Up Your Mental Mess: 5 Simple, Scientifically Proven Steps to Reduce Anxiety, Stress, and Toxic Thinking” and the Neurocycle app.

Learn more about Dr. Leaf at drleaf.com and connect with her on Twitter at @DrCarolineLeaf

*This interview originally aired on 5/21/21*

(1:03:15-1:12:07): Brian and Aubrey discussed Jared Brock’s Relevant Magazine article, “10 Ways to Simplify Your Life.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-9:14): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Peter Newman’s Gospel Coalition article, “Why Do We Go to Church? Because We’re Forgetful. 

(9:14-26:27): Clarissa Moll, Author, Co-Host of Christianity Today’s “Surprised by Grief” podcast, and Host of the weekly Hope*Writers podcast joined Brian and Aubrey to talk about finding God’s hope in the midst of grief, her Gospel Coalition article “Life Is Reopening. Why Am I Still So Sad?” and the new edition of her husband, Rob Moll’s book, “The Art of Dying: Living Fully into the Life to Come.”

Learn more about Clarissa at clarissamoll.com and connect with her on instagram at mollclarissa

*This interview originally aired on 6/29/21*

(26:27-35:25): What’s the difference between having knowledge about God and knowing God through a personal relationship? Brian and Aubrey chatted about this topic and commented on a clip of Preston Sprinkle’s recent interview with Francis Chan.  

(35:25-44:06): Brian and Aubrey chatted about Tim Keller’s Relevant Magazine article, “You Never Marry the Right Person.” 

(44:06-1:03:15): Dr. Caroline Leaf, Cognitive Neuroscientist, Bestselling Author, and Host of the podcast, “Cleaning Up The Mental Mess,” joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her new book, “Cleaning Up Your Mental Mess: 5 Simple, Scientifically Proven Steps to Reduce Anxiety, Stress, and Toxic Thinking” and the Neurocycle app.

Learn more about Dr. Leaf at drleaf.com and connect with her on Twitter at @DrCarolineLeaf

*This interview originally aired on 5/21/21*

(1:03:15-1:12:07): Brian and Aubrey discussed Jared Brock’s Relevant Magazine article, “10 Ways to Simplify Your Life.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-8:36): How can we develop spiritual practices? Brian and Aubrey discussed this and shared some of their spiritual practices. 

(8:36-28:25): Dr. Chris Bail, Professor of Sociology & Public Policy at Duke University and Director of the Polarization Lab, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about his book, “Breaking the Social Media Prism: How to Make Our Platforms Less Polarizing.”

Learn more about Chris and his book at chrisbail.net and connect with him on Twitter at @chris_bail

*This interview originally aired on 5/24/21*

(28:25-38:50): Brian and Aubrey chatted about their TOP FIVE Musicals. Aubrey’s #2 pick was Wicked and Brian’s #2 pick was Les Misérables. For the #1 spot, they both chose Hamilton!

(38:50-46:22): Brian and Aubrey discussed Milton Quintanilla’s Christian Headlines article, “Just 16 Percent of Millennials Classify as Born-Again Christians, Study Shows.” 

(46:22-1:07:01): David French, Senior Editor at The Dispatch, Columnist for Time Magazine, and Author of, “Divided We Fall,” joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about a New York Times opinion piece he co-wrote, “We Disagree on a Lot of Things. Except the Danger of Anti-Critical Race Theory Laws, and some of his recent blog posts at The French Press, How Do Christian Patriots Love Their Country Well? and When the Aliens Come, Will Their Arrival Destroy Our Faith?

Learn more about David at thedispatch.com and at his blog, The French Press. 

*This interview originally aired on 7/7/21*

(1:07:01-1:15:36): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Shane Pruitt’s tweet, “if you’re needing a word from God, go to the Word of God.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-8:36): How can we develop spiritual practices? Brian and Aubrey discussed this and shared some of their spiritual practices. 

(8:36-28:25): Dr. Chris Bail, Professor of Sociology & Public Policy at Duke University and Director of the Polarization Lab, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about his book, “Breaking the Social Media Prism: How to Make Our Platforms Less Polarizing.”

Learn more about Chris and his book at chrisbail.net and connect with him on Twitter at @chris_bail

*This interview originally aired on 5/24/21*

(28:25-38:50): Brian and Aubrey chatted about their TOP FIVE Musicals. Aubrey’s #2 pick was Wicked and Brian’s #2 pick was Les Misérables. For the #1 spot, they both chose Hamilton!

(38:50-46:22): Brian and Aubrey discussed Milton Quintanilla’s Christian Headlines article, “Just 16 Percent of Millennials Classify as Born-Again Christians, Study Shows.” 

(46:22-1:07:01): David French, Senior Editor at The Dispatch, Columnist for Time Magazine, and Author of, “Divided We Fall,” joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about a New York Times opinion piece he co-wrote, “We Disagree on a Lot of Things. Except the Danger of Anti-Critical Race Theory Laws, and some of his recent blog posts at The French Press, How Do Christian Patriots Love Their Country Well? and When the Aliens Come, Will Their Arrival Destroy Our Faith?

Learn more about David at thedispatch.com and at his blog, The French Press. 

*This interview originally aired on 7/7/21*

(1:07:01-1:15:36): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Shane Pruitt’s tweet, “if you’re needing a word from God, go to the Word of God.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-9:30): What steps can churches take to protect themselves from narcissistic leaders? Brian and Aubrey discussed this and commented on Roxanne Stone’s Religion News Service article, “Exclusive: Sex abuse allegations by Carl Lentz’s former nanny put spotlight on Hillsong culture.”

(9:30-27:46): Dr. Beth Allison Barr, Associate Dean & Professor of History at Baylor University, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her new book, “The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth.”

Learn more about Dr. Barr at bethallisonbarr.com and connect with her on Twitter at @bethallisonbarr

*This interview originally aired on 6/1/21*

(27:46-37:07): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Kate Shellnutt’s Christianity Today article, “Why Church Can’t Be the Same After the Pandemic.” 

(37:07-46:24): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Tim Keller’s Tweet, “If your race and culture, or your moral performance, or your politics, or anything but the love of God is a foundational source of your self-worth, when people threaten that positive self-image, you will not be able to listen to them...You will strike at them.” 

(46:24-1:03:58): Terence Lester, minister, community activist, author, and Founder & Executive Director of Love Beyond Walls, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about his book, “When We Stand: The Power of Seeking Justice Together”  

Learn more about Terence and his books at terencelester.org and connect with him on Twitter at @imTerenceLester

Learn more about Love Beyond Walls at lovebeyondwalls.org

*This interview originally aired on 6/8/21*

(1:03:58-1:13:07): Brian and Aubrey discussed a Twitter video from Dr. Derwin Gray, “We don't have to fight the culture. Jesus has already won. Therefore, we can live with humility, gentleness, and patience. Put down your boxing gloves and pick your cross.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-9:30): What steps can churches take to protect themselves from narcissistic leaders? Brian and Aubrey discussed this and commented on Roxanne Stone’s Religion News Service article, “Exclusive: Sex abuse allegations by Carl Lentz’s former nanny put spotlight on Hillsong culture.”

(9:30-27:46): Dr. Beth Allison Barr, Associate Dean & Professor of History at Baylor University, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her new book, “The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth.”

Learn more about Dr. Barr at bethallisonbarr.com and connect with her on Twitter at @bethallisonbarr

*This interview originally aired on 6/1/21*

(27:46-37:07): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Kate Shellnutt’s Christianity Today article, “Why Church Can’t Be the Same After the Pandemic.” 

(37:07-46:24): Brian and Aubrey shared their thoughts on Tim Keller’s Tweet, “If your race and culture, or your moral performance, or your politics, or anything but the love of God is a foundational source of your self-worth, when people threaten that positive self-image, you will not be able to listen to them...You will strike at them.” 

(46:24-1:03:58): Terence Lester, minister, community activist, author, and Founder & Executive Director of Love Beyond Walls, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about his book, “When We Stand: The Power of Seeking Justice Together”  

Learn more about Terence and his books at terencelester.org and connect with him on Twitter at @imTerenceLester

Learn more about Love Beyond Walls at lovebeyondwalls.org

*This interview originally aired on 6/8/21*

(1:03:58-1:13:07): Brian and Aubrey discussed a Twitter video from Dr. Derwin Gray, “We don't have to fight the culture. Jesus has already won. Therefore, we can live with humility, gentleness, and patience. Put down your boxing gloves and pick your cross.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-7:20): Brian and Aubrey shared biblical encouragement on rest and gaining knowledge, and they discussed Tim Shorey’s Gospel Coalition article, “A Biblical Theology of Pleasure.” 

(7:20-23:23): Dr. Heather Thompson Day, Associate Professor of Communication at Colorado Christian University and co-creator of the online community, I'm That Wife, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her new book, “It's Not Your Turn: What to Do While You're Waiting for Your Breakthrough.”

Learn more about Heather at imthatwife.com & heatherthompsonday.com and connect with her on Twitter at @HeatherTDay

(23:23-34:58): Brian and Aubrey shared their TOP FIVE Pet Peeves. Aubrey’s #1 pick was “Flight Attendants who sing” and Brian’s #1 pick was “People who chew loudly.”

(34:58-43:04): Brian and Aubrey chatted about Joe Carter’s Gospel Coalition article, “Christians Need More Intergenerational Friendships.”

(43:04-1:01:49): Ryan Leak, author, speaker, and filmmaker – known for the documentaries: The Surprise Wedding and Chasing Failure, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about his new book, “Chasing Failure: How Falling Short Sets You Up for Success.”

Learn more about Ryan at ryanleak.com and connect with him on Twitter at @ryanleak

(1:01:49-1:10:18): Brian and Aubrey discussed Kathleen Mulhern’s Dry Bones blog post, “Evangelicalism and the Neglect of the Heart.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

(00:00-7:20): Brian and Aubrey shared biblical encouragement on rest and gaining knowledge, and they discussed Tim Shorey’s Gospel Coalition article, “A Biblical Theology of Pleasure.” 

(7:20-23:23): Dr. Heather Thompson Day, Associate Professor of Communication at Colorado Christian University and co-creator of the online community, I'm That Wife, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about her new book, “It's Not Your Turn: What to Do While You're Waiting for Your Breakthrough.”

Learn more about Heather at imthatwife.com & heatherthompsonday.com and connect with her on Twitter at @HeatherTDay

(23:23-34:58): Brian and Aubrey shared their TOP FIVE Pet Peeves. Aubrey’s #1 pick was “Flight Attendants who sing” and Brian’s #1 pick was “People who chew loudly.”

(34:58-43:04): Brian and Aubrey chatted about Joe Carter’s Gospel Coalition article, “Christians Need More Intergenerational Friendships.”

(43:04-1:01:49): Ryan Leak, author, speaker, and filmmaker – known for the documentaries: The Surprise Wedding and Chasing Failure, joined Brian and Aubrey to chat about his new book, “Chasing Failure: How Falling Short Sets You Up for Success.”

Learn more about Ryan at ryanleak.com and connect with him on Twitter at @ryanleak

(1:01:49-1:10:18): Brian and Aubrey discussed Kathleen Mulhern’s Dry Bones blog post, “Evangelicalism and the Neglect of the Heart.” 

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.