Hour 1 Seg 1: “Coronavirus testing must double or triple before U.S. can safely reopen, experts say. "We are an order of magnitude off right now from where we should be," said an expert in infectious disease modeling who advised the Obama administration. Trump proposed a three step plan to reopen, and Over 43,000 US millionaires will get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each.

Hou 1 Seg 2: Dave Harvey writes “Where’s God When COVID-19 Kills My Business?” in The Gospel Coalition. Brian and Ian discuss going through the motions of doubt and frustration.

Hour 1 Seg 3: Scottie Andrew writes in CNN: “Why teens may never be the same after the pandemic”. PLUS, Haley Samsel writes “Canceled Ceremonies Hit Different for First-Generation Grads”

Hour 1 Seg 4: Leah MarieAnn Klett writes “Pastor Tim Keller on 'God’s message to the world' amid COVID-19, duty of the Church (pt. 1)” in The Christian Post. Brian and Ian discuss Keller’s take on how God is working through this. 

Hour 2 Seg 1: Milton Quintanilla writes “'God Did Not' Help Bring Down Number of COVID-19 Cases in New York, Governor Andrew Cuomo Asserts” in Christian Headlines. Brian and Ian discuss the perception of God in this. 

Hour 2 Seg 2-3: We are joined by writer, church planter, and Chair of Church, Mission, and Evangelism at Wheaton College, Ed Stetzer. He discusses his Christianity Today articles addressing “Prayer in Pandemic” and misinformation regarding the virus itself. 

Hour 2 Seg 4: Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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Hour 1 Seg 1: “Coronavirus testing must double or triple before U.S. can safely reopen, experts say. "We are an order of magnitude off right now from where we should be," said an expert in infectious disease modeling who advised the Obama administration. Trump proposed a three step plan to reopen, and Over 43,000 US millionaires will get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each.

Hou 1 Seg 2: Dave Harvey writes “Where’s God When COVID-19 Kills My Business?” in The Gospel Coalition. Brian and Ian discuss going through the motions of doubt and frustration.

Hour 1 Seg 3: Scottie Andrew writes in CNN: “Why teens may never be the same after the pandemic”. PLUS, Haley Samsel writes “Canceled Ceremonies Hit Different for First-Generation Grads”

Hour 1 Seg 4: Leah MarieAnn Klett writes “Pastor Tim Keller on 'God’s message to the world' amid COVID-19, duty of the Church (pt. 1)” in The Christian Post. Brian and Ian discuss Keller’s take on how God is working through this. 

Hour 2 Seg 1: Milton Quintanilla writes “'God Did Not' Help Bring Down Number of COVID-19 Cases in New York, Governor Andrew Cuomo Asserts” in Christian Headlines. Brian and Ian discuss the perception of God in this. 

Hour 2 Seg 2-3: We are joined by writer, church planter, and Chair of Church, Mission, and Evangelism at Wheaton College, Ed Stetzer. He discusses his Christianity Today articles addressing “Prayer in Pandemic” and misinformation regarding the virus itself. 

Hour 2 Seg 4: Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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Hour 1 Seg 1: The White House announced plans to reopen businesses and establishments, but advised some areas to remain closed. 

Hour 1 Seg 2: Andy Crouch tweeted: If I were a pastor of the modal US congregation (granted the huge diversity within that set) I would be planning for 50% decline in giving over the next 12 months, no gatherings of >100 allowed for at least a year gatherings of 10-50 allowed this summer in most localities. 

Hour 1 Seg 3: David W. Peters writes, “See, I Zoom You With My Own Hand” in Christianity Today. I don’t like it when technology gets between me and the church. Neither did the apostle Paul.

Hour 1 Seg 4: Brian and Ian talk about this heartbreaking but sweet story. “Pastor dies shortly after confessing in Easter sermon he wanted to die alongside late wife”. 

Hour 2 Seg 1: It’s official. Willow Creek found its new senior pastor. Michigan megachurch pastor David Dummitt, a Wheaton College graduate, will start this June. Brian and Ian discuss the process the megachurch took when deciding this.  

Hour 2 Seg 2-3: We are joined by Evangelical Theology BR Lindner Chair at Northern Seminary, David Fitch. David Fitch (Ph.D Northwestern University) is B R Lindner Chair of evangelical theology at Northern Seminary, Chicago. He is married to Rae Ann and they have one son named Max. He is an ordained pastor in the Christian and Missionary Alliance and currently pastors (along with 3 other pastors) the Peace of Christ Church of Westmont IL, USA, a church plant of the Life on the Vine church of C&MA, northwest suburbs Chicago, which David planted with his wife in 2001. He coaches church planting for/ and leads the Church Planting Institute, an amalgamated effort of 5 different denominations to plant third wave incarnational churches.

www.missioalliance.org/author/davidfitch/

Hour 2 Seg 4: Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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Hour 1 Seg 1: The White House announced plans to reopen businesses and establishments, but advised some areas to remain closed. 

Hour 1 Seg 2: Andy Crouch tweeted: If I were a pastor of the modal US congregation (granted the huge diversity within that set) I would be planning for 50% decline in giving over the next 12 months, no gatherings of >100 allowed for at least a year gatherings of 10-50 allowed this summer in most localities. 

Hour 1 Seg 3: David W. Peters writes, “See, I Zoom You With My Own Hand” in Christianity Today. I don’t like it when technology gets between me and the church. Neither did the apostle Paul.

Hour 1 Seg 4: Brian and Ian talk about this heartbreaking but sweet story. “Pastor dies shortly after confessing in Easter sermon he wanted to die alongside late wife”. 

Hour 2 Seg 1: It’s official. Willow Creek found its new senior pastor. Michigan megachurch pastor David Dummitt, a Wheaton College graduate, will start this June. Brian and Ian discuss the process the megachurch took when deciding this.  

Hour 2 Seg 2-3: We are joined by Evangelical Theology BR Lindner Chair at Northern Seminary, David Fitch. David Fitch (Ph.D Northwestern University) is B R Lindner Chair of evangelical theology at Northern Seminary, Chicago. He is married to Rae Ann and they have one son named Max. He is an ordained pastor in the Christian and Missionary Alliance and currently pastors (along with 3 other pastors) the Peace of Christ Church of Westmont IL, USA, a church plant of the Life on the Vine church of C&MA, northwest suburbs Chicago, which David planted with his wife in 2001. He coaches church planting for/ and leads the Church Planting Institute, an amalgamated effort of 5 different denominations to plant third wave incarnational churches.

www.missioalliance.org/author/davidfitch/

Hour 2 Seg 4: Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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(00:00-09:11): US coronavirus: Highest number of deaths in a day recorded after several days of a downward trend. PLUS, Dr. Anthony Fauci is cautiously optimistic about seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. 

(09:11-18:13): Eric Peterson in The Navigators posted “Orientation, Disorientation, Reorientation”. Brian and Ian discuss how we are going to reorient ourselves back into caring and focussed people. 

(18:13-28:11): We are joined by Matt Soerens. He is the Director of Church Mobilization for World Relief. Brian and Ian discuss what efforts the organization is doing amidst this crisis. World Relief works hand in hand with churches on caring for people in need, now needed more than ever. He takes some time at the end to discuss immigration reform and how we need to apply compassion to the considerations of reform. 

(28:11-36:37): Jen Pollack Michel writes “20 More Prayers to Pray as We Approach the Pandemic’s Peak” in Christianity Today. Brian and Ian discuss why petitioning God is still the most powerful way to respond in crisis.

(37:34-48:14): 'SNL' Zoom skits and 'Coronavirus Rhapsody:' The benefits (and limits) of pandemic parody. It's important for us to maintain our sense of humor during this frightening crisis — just as long as we don't overdo it. PLUS, here’s an awesome parody of Bohemian Rhapsody. 

(48:14-58:19): We are joined by Pastor Stephanie O’Brien. She leads Mill City Church in Minneapolis and also hosts a podcast called “Lead Stories Podcast”. Their goal is to get resources to people who need them and elevate voices often underrepresented. “We tell a lot of stories and talk about various topics of leadership and life. Our hope is that it will equip and encourage people of influence” She also wrote the book “Stay Curious: How Questions and Doubts Can Save Your Faith”

(58:19-1:07:45): We touched on this article from the Good News Network: “Stressed? This Study Says You Simply Need a 20-Minute ‘Nature Pill’”. PLUS, Margie Donlon posts Mental Health Tips on Facebook. We also touched on “Daily Prayer: an anglican guide to spiritual rhythms”

(1:08:48-1:15:44): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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(00:00-09:11): US coronavirus: Highest number of deaths in a day recorded after several days of a downward trend. PLUS, Dr. Anthony Fauci is cautiously optimistic about seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. 

(09:11-18:13): Eric Peterson in The Navigators posted “Orientation, Disorientation, Reorientation”. Brian and Ian discuss how we are going to reorient ourselves back into caring and focussed people. 

(18:13-28:11): We are joined by Matt Soerens. He is the Director of Church Mobilization for World Relief. Brian and Ian discuss what efforts the organization is doing amidst this crisis. World Relief works hand in hand with churches on caring for people in need, now needed more than ever. He takes some time at the end to discuss immigration reform and how we need to apply compassion to the considerations of reform. 

(28:11-36:37): Jen Pollack Michel writes “20 More Prayers to Pray as We Approach the Pandemic’s Peak” in Christianity Today. Brian and Ian discuss why petitioning God is still the most powerful way to respond in crisis.

(37:34-48:14): 'SNL' Zoom skits and 'Coronavirus Rhapsody:' The benefits (and limits) of pandemic parody. It's important for us to maintain our sense of humor during this frightening crisis — just as long as we don't overdo it. PLUS, here’s an awesome parody of Bohemian Rhapsody. 

(48:14-58:19): We are joined by Pastor Stephanie O’Brien. She leads Mill City Church in Minneapolis and also hosts a podcast called “Lead Stories Podcast”. Their goal is to get resources to people who need them and elevate voices often underrepresented. “We tell a lot of stories and talk about various topics of leadership and life. Our hope is that it will equip and encourage people of influence” She also wrote the book “Stay Curious: How Questions and Doubts Can Save Your Faith”

(58:19-1:07:45): We touched on this article from the Good News Network: “Stressed? This Study Says You Simply Need a 20-Minute ‘Nature Pill’”. PLUS, Margie Donlon posts Mental Health Tips on Facebook. We also touched on “Daily Prayer: an anglican guide to spiritual rhythms”

(1:08:48-1:15:44): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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(00:00-09:45): We discussed this “Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service, dies of coronavirus”. PLUS, Fire Fauci? What a disaster that would be for Trump and the US

(09:45-19:10): Does Stay-in-Your-Car Worship Comply with Stay-at-Home Orders? Church, state, and health officials across the country disagree about drive-in services. This is a concept popping up in several churches, we discussed our thoughts on it. 

(19:10-27:53): Clarissa Moll writes “Sanctification By Homeschooling” in The Gospel Coalition. Teaching our children often becomes an education for us too, a sanctification of our own hearts.

(27:53-37:24): Tim Challies writes “I Miss the Ordinary the Most”. While we can be sure that God will not punish us for what is not our fault, we can also expect that we will begin to feel the lack of it.

(38:20-48:21): It’s a tale of two articles. Carrey Nieuwhof and Mike Frost wrote two conflicting articles on whether or not the church will return to normal. Geoff Holsclaw responds to both in order to try and find some middle ground. 

(48:21-59:13): We are joined by Pastor David Washington from Kingdom Covenant Church in Chicago. He offered his encouragement and perspective during this crisis. He also talked about the conditions of Cook County Jail in the midst of this crisis, and the issues the inmates are facing. 

(59:13-1:09:16): Julio Vincent Gambuto writes “Prepare for the Ultimate Gaslighting” in Medium. You are not crazy, my friends. Pretty soon, as the country begins to figure out how we “open back up” and move forward, very powerful forces will try to convince us all to get back to normal.

(1:10:20-1:17:32): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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(00:00-09:45): We discussed this “Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service, dies of coronavirus”. PLUS, Fire Fauci? What a disaster that would be for Trump and the US

(09:45-19:10): Does Stay-in-Your-Car Worship Comply with Stay-at-Home Orders? Church, state, and health officials across the country disagree about drive-in services. This is a concept popping up in several churches, we discussed our thoughts on it. 

(19:10-27:53): Clarissa Moll writes “Sanctification By Homeschooling” in The Gospel Coalition. Teaching our children often becomes an education for us too, a sanctification of our own hearts.

(27:53-37:24): Tim Challies writes “I Miss the Ordinary the Most”. While we can be sure that God will not punish us for what is not our fault, we can also expect that we will begin to feel the lack of it.

(38:20-48:21): It’s a tale of two articles. Carrey Nieuwhof and Mike Frost wrote two conflicting articles on whether or not the church will return to normal. Geoff Holsclaw responds to both in order to try and find some middle ground. 

(48:21-59:13): We are joined by Pastor David Washington from Kingdom Covenant Church in Chicago. He offered his encouragement and perspective during this crisis. He also talked about the conditions of Cook County Jail in the midst of this crisis, and the issues the inmates are facing. 

(59:13-1:09:16): Julio Vincent Gambuto writes “Prepare for the Ultimate Gaslighting” in Medium. You are not crazy, my friends. Pretty soon, as the country begins to figure out how we “open back up” and move forward, very powerful forces will try to convince us all to get back to normal.

(1:10:20-1:17:32): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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(00:00-09:14): It is Holy Monday, and Brian and Ian take time to reflect on the unusual Easter Weekend. What was different? Good or bad differences? 

(09:14-18:08): How to consume news during the coronavirus pandemic. Your guide to reading, watching and listening to news, and how you can stay informed while managing your stress levels and avoiding misinformation.

(18:08-27:35): We heard from music instructor and ministry leader, Jordan Bumgarner. He offered some encouragement on how he is navigating this crisis. He takes note of God’s presence in the storm when He called Peter out onto the water. Even after Jesus pulled him out of the water, the waves continued to crash. Jesus is sitting in this storm with us. 

(27:35-37:15): Some viewers watch Tiger King for the same reason carnival freak shows were once popular. Others refuse to watch it for the same reason. This author suggests we watch Tiger King to help us better love our neighbors as ourselves, sometimes by extending them empathy and sometimes by holding them accountable for their destructive practices.

(38:11-48:45): “Kansas Supreme Court strikes down measure that allowed large church gatherings” writes Michael Gryboski in Christian Post. PLUS, Albert Mohler writes “More Than an Idle Threat: Real Assaults on Religious Liberty Emerge in the Pandemic.”

(48:45-58:49): Andrew Solomon “When the Pandemic Leaves Us Alone, Anxious and Depressed”. Taking Care of Your Mental Health in the Face of Uncertainty writes Dr. Doreen Marshall. PLUS, Sharon Brody writes “Control What You Can: A Psychologist's Pandemic Advice”.

(58:49-1:08:39): GOOD NEWS! We are talking about an adorable, grateful penguin, This New Jersey megachurch is putting it’s resources to practice, and this neighborhood barista is giving free coffee to essential workers. 

(1:09:42-11:16:45): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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(00:00-09:14): It is Holy Monday, and Brian and Ian take time to reflect on the unusual Easter Weekend. What was different? Good or bad differences? 

(09:14-18:08): How to consume news during the coronavirus pandemic. Your guide to reading, watching and listening to news, and how you can stay informed while managing your stress levels and avoiding misinformation.

(18:08-27:35): We heard from music instructor and ministry leader, Jordan Bumgarner. He offered some encouragement on how he is navigating this crisis. He takes note of God’s presence in the storm when He called Peter out onto the water. Even after Jesus pulled him out of the water, the waves continued to crash. Jesus is sitting in this storm with us. 

(27:35-37:15): Some viewers watch Tiger King for the same reason carnival freak shows were once popular. Others refuse to watch it for the same reason. This author suggests we watch Tiger King to help us better love our neighbors as ourselves, sometimes by extending them empathy and sometimes by holding them accountable for their destructive practices.

(38:11-48:45): “Kansas Supreme Court strikes down measure that allowed large church gatherings” writes Michael Gryboski in Christian Post. PLUS, Albert Mohler writes “More Than an Idle Threat: Real Assaults on Religious Liberty Emerge in the Pandemic.”

(48:45-58:49): Andrew Solomon “When the Pandemic Leaves Us Alone, Anxious and Depressed”. Taking Care of Your Mental Health in the Face of Uncertainty writes Dr. Doreen Marshall. PLUS, Sharon Brody writes “Control What You Can: A Psychologist's Pandemic Advice”.

(58:49-1:08:39): GOOD NEWS! We are talking about an adorable, grateful penguin, This New Jersey megachurch is putting it’s resources to practice, and this neighborhood barista is giving free coffee to essential workers. 

(1:09:42-11:16:45): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”

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